Posted by
michael
on from the pipe-dream-or-visionary dept.
miguel writes: "Here is my reply to the various questions on Mono, the future of GNOME and the Register statements." Linux Today has a copy of the email as well.
Those who fail to learn from history...
by
zhobson
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· Score: 3, Flamebait
..are doomed to repeat it.
Over and over again, Miguel De Icaza has displayed the same sort of breathless excitement over Microsoft technologies that I'd expect to see from a newbie, not a developer of his caliber. It's extraordinarily short-sighted for him to believe that he'll be able to keep up with Microsoft. This isn't a matter of talent. Microsoft has shown, time and time again, that it has no problem locking out other vendors using API changes and whatever other means available.
Miguel seems to be ignoring the fact that Microsoft will very likely do everything it can to keep Mono uselessly lagging. They've embraced and extended every technology they've adopted, and even their own APIs shift constantly. I realize that the.NET Framework looks like a different approach, and Microsoft is acting like it's going to start playing nice. If it happens, it'd be a first for Microsoft. I personally have my doubts, and history backs me up. What a shame that a talented developer like Miguel doesn't know better than to trust them.
-zack
Re:Good response...
by
Karma+Sucks
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· Score: 0, Flamebait
Haven't you learned anything? Miguel is a big old hype machine. Nothing is different, nothing changed from the anti-KDE days. Only this time it seems to have bitten him in the ass. That's okay though, we have his long reply plastered on/. now, and the hype-machine wins again.
Think of it as Karma Whoring, if you can comprehend that better.
-- (Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
Re:Advantages of C# over Java
by
SteveX
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· Score: 3, Flamebait
Sun proved, when they sued Microsoft, that they don't want Java-the-language being used to generate code to run anywhere but inside Java-the-VM or have direct access to anything but the Java classes.
Microsoft's extensions to Java were allowing Java code to directly instantiate and use COM objects; a really big part of.NET. The CLR is designed to give easy access to the underlying operating system (in a managed manner). Very different goals.
If Sun would have been willing to allow Java to be used this way, then Microsoft would probably have stuck with Visual J++ and the Windows Java framework they were already working on, and we wouldn't have C# or.NET.
- Steve
Re:Good response...
by
Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 0, Flamebait
That's not funny. *I* was raped by RMS.
Re:Miguel was guilty of misjudgement
by
praedor
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· Score: 1, Flamebait
Miguel is doing the community a favor by helping kill gnome with nonsense. He is helping us because without gnome, the defacto standard desktop will be KDE. Now this is independent of whether or not you LIKE KDE or GNOME, it is an objective fact that by being simple-minded with his childish M$-IS-playing-fair-with-C#-and-.NET Miguel hurts Gnome. Hurting Gnome helps KDE, which means that all new users are going to get the same GUI unless they specifically change it or deselect it. This will help linux overall. No more business or user "confusion".
If the KDE folks got looney like Miguel and decided to waste time chasing M$, then Gnome would benefit and KDE would crap out. Same ultimate objective end - the standard would be Gnome and anything else would require specific actions by the user.
Bless you Miguel, your lunacy is helping linux in a way you didn't intend (understandable given your apparent mental instability).
-- In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
Over and over again, Miguel De Icaza has displayed the same sort of breathless excitement over Microsoft technologies that I'd expect to see from a newbie, not a developer of his caliber. It's extraordinarily short-sighted for him to believe that he'll be able to keep up with Microsoft. This isn't a matter of talent. Microsoft has shown, time and time again, that it has no problem locking out other vendors using API changes and whatever other means available.
Miguel seems to be ignoring the fact that Microsoft will very likely do everything it can to keep Mono uselessly lagging. They've embraced and extended every technology they've adopted, and even their own APIs shift constantly. I realize that the .NET Framework looks like a different approach, and Microsoft is acting like it's going to start playing nice. If it happens, it'd be a first for Microsoft. I personally have my doubts, and history backs me up. What a shame that a talented developer like Miguel doesn't know better than to trust them.
-zack
Haven't you learned anything? Miguel is a big old hype machine. Nothing is different, nothing changed from the anti-KDE days. Only this time it seems to have bitten him in the ass. That's okay though, we have his long reply plastered on /. now, and the hype-machine wins again.
Think of it as Karma Whoring, if you can comprehend that better.
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
Sun proved, when they sued Microsoft, that they don't want Java-the-language being used to generate code to run anywhere but inside Java-the-VM or have direct access to anything but the Java classes.
.NET. The CLR is designed to give easy access to the underlying operating system (in a managed manner). Very different goals.
.NET.
Microsoft's extensions to Java were allowing Java code to directly instantiate and use COM objects; a really big part of
If Sun would have been willing to allow Java to be used this way, then Microsoft would probably have stuck with Visual J++ and the Windows Java framework they were already working on, and we wouldn't have C# or
- Steve
That's not funny. *I* was raped by RMS.
Miguel is doing the community a favor by helping kill gnome with nonsense. He is helping us because without gnome, the defacto standard desktop will be KDE. Now this is independent of whether or not you LIKE KDE or GNOME, it is an objective fact that by being simple-minded with his childish M$-IS-playing-fair-with-C#-and-.NET Miguel hurts Gnome. Hurting Gnome helps KDE, which means that all new users are going to get the same GUI unless they specifically change it or deselect it. This will help linux overall. No more business or user "confusion".
If the KDE folks got looney like Miguel and decided to waste time chasing M$, then Gnome would benefit and KDE would crap out. Same ultimate objective end - the standard would be Gnome and anything else would require specific actions by the user.
Bless you Miguel, your lunacy is helping linux in a way you didn't intend (understandable given your apparent mental instability).
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.