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nihilist_1137 writes: "This story is about how MS changed its EULA and you just gave them control of your computer. In the section on Windows XP Professional, 'Internet-Based Services Components' paragraph says in part, 'You acknowledge and agree that Microsoft may automatically check the version of the Product and/or its components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or fixes to the Product that will be automatically downloaded to your Workstation Computer.'"

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  1. you can turn this off i think by irishmikev · · Score: 5, Informative

    Doesn't this just refer to the option to have XP auto-update your pc? You can turn that option off on the desktop if you don't want it, and the first time it runs it prompts you for what it's default behavior should be.

  2. What's the difference..... by mickwd · · Score: 5, Funny

    .....betweeen a Microsoft Product and a Virus/Trojan ?

    The EULA.

    1. Re:What's the difference..... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


      > .....betweeen a Microsoft Product and a Virus/Trojan ?

      Viruses usually work as intended.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
  3. XP antispy Program by linzeal · · Score: 5, Informative
    This program controls how your computer "interacts" with M$. Damn fine german engineering

    From the website
    "XP-AntiSpy is a little utility that let's you disable some built-in update and authetication 'features' in WindowsXP. For example, there's a service running in the background wich is called 'Automatic Updates'. I don't know what this service transfers from my machine to other machines on the internet, especially the MS ones. So I play it safe and disable such functions. If you like, you can even disable these function manually, by going through the System and checking or unchecking some checkboxes. This will take you approximately half an hour."

  4. Re:Maybe the users want it by Discoflamingo13 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem isn't the "average user." The problem is the end-user who doesn't want software installed automatically, for stability/interoperability reasons. Our XP lab at school used to auto-update new patches and fixes, until most of the functionality for accessing the Linux/Solaris servers was completely shot, and several UI problems came up. Things that used to work (like the Zip drives) suddenly didn't. Just because Microsoft updated the software doesn't mean it got any better.

    The other big issue is the DRM software Microsoft, or its partners/subsidiaries, will install. Even with prompting, if you don't upgrade, then you have no access to a content provider's new media. All in all, this sounds like a giant headache for everyone that isn't Microsoft.

  5. Re:Once again, Slashdotters want to have it both w by Thomas+Marsh · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Microsoft makes the system able to download and install them itself. All the user has to do is set up auto-install of new updates.

    But that's not good enough, because too many users/sysadmins are too stupid to turn this on or check it regularly.


    On the contrary, sysadmins are advising that users disable automatic updates on XP because the tendency of the auto update facility to replace, for example, working drivers with faulty ones, as well as not providing information on which packages are being downloaded. (Read that in an article somewhere. Never used auto update myself.)

    I do see this as a privacy concern, because it is only with XP that windows update does not say "this is done without sending any information to microsoft." All other versions of windows use the anonymous facility, so they already have a working production update system which they've replaced with this more invasive version. -Coinciding with the EULA changes.

    Whether it is an intentional attack on privacy/piracy or simply that MS decided the old mechanism wasn't efficient enough over a slow connection (or some other technical reason) is speculation.
  6. Why do companies tolerate this? by Phil+Wherry · · Score: 5, Interesting
    [IANAL, so consider these comments accordingly]

    I'm really quite surprised that there hasn't been a big backlash from the legal departments of corporate customers over the text in the license agreements from software makers like Microsoft.

    Most of the large organizations that I've worked with have relatively paranoid legal departments. The average person cannot, for example, sign a non-disclosure agreement, vendor contract, or do anything else that binds the company without having the document scrutinized in excruciating detail by the company's legal department. And, as anyone who's ever been through this process knows, excruciating is the correct word for this situation.

    Yet people install software all the time that binds the company to ridiculously one-sided terms: This software is ours, not yours. Unless it breaks: then it's yours, not ours--and we're obligated to do everything up to and including nothing to help you.

    It seems to me like two possible explanations exist--neither of them pleasant:
    • Legal departments aren't challenging shrink-wrap licenses because they feel they're not really enforceable contracts. This seems to fly in the face of things like UCITA, though, which allow the software vendor to say "W3 0wn j00" in their license agreements with the force of law to back them up.

    • Legal departments aren't challenging shrink-wrap licenses because they realize that most of the time they're dealing with a powerful monopoly--and that the choice is to accept unconscionable terms or simply be unable to perform essential functions. Most legal departments don't understand open-source software, and I think Microsoft's done a good enough job with its fearmongering campaign about the GPL that there will be a lot of hesitation even if the light bulb ever does come on.
    There's also the issue of who's allowed to "sign" these things. In most corporate-user situations, the user doing the software installation (and therefore "agreeing" to the click-wrap terms) isn't a corporate officer or someone who's been delegated the authority to bind the company to a set of terms--no matter how reasonable. This seems to me to be pretty dangerous. In the case of a dispute with the vendor, it could potentially put the user at personal risk for representing they had the authority to bind the company when, in fact, they did not. While the economics of pursuing an individual over a company's breach of the license "agreement" probably don't make sense, this remains at least a theoretical risk.
  7. A Bridge too far? by mikethegeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " Several readers were also worried that Microsoft's broad assertion of its right to access their computers would force their companies into noncompliance with government security guidelines and various privacy laws. This concern was exacerbated by additional PUR language in the same Windows XP section. In terms of "Security Updates," users grant Microsoft the right to download updates to Microsoft's DRM (Digital Rights Management) technology to protect the intellectual property rights of "Secured Content" providers. It says Microsoft may "download onto your computer such security updates that a secure content owner has requested that MS, Microsoft Corporation, or their subsidiaries distribute." In other words, it would seem Microsoft's idea of a security update is one that protects the property rights of vendors, not the security of customers' systems."

    What Microsoft is preparing us for is the next step: No root access to a machine.

    This is scary ass stuff. Note that MS's EULA gives them the right to change these license terms on a whim. Your license with MS is one sided, MS can change anything they like, and you have no rights other than those MS chooses to grant you.

    Running a business on such a system to me would see m an unwarranted risk, especially given MS's pathetic record when it comes to security related bugs and holes.

    What MS is saying is that they have "root" access to your machine and can read anything or install anything at will.

    This is clearly over the line. NO OTHER industry in the USA can sell a product and attatch the kinds of "strings" to it's use, while disclaiming any and all liability for defects as the software industry.

    MS and other proprietary software vendors have had it totally their way for too damn long. We need some sort of law limiting what can be in a EULA, restoring the "first sale" doctrine, and at the very least, a right to "opt out" of new license changes made AFTER the sale.

    The best solution is to use Linux or other OSS software. Sooner or later, Microsoft and their goons will go a step too far, and the business world will realize the danger of allowing such meglomaniacs THAT kind of control over their information system arteries.

    If this little nugget isn't it, WHAT will be?

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    === The price of freedom is eternal vigilance
  8. Re:Hmmm by sqlrob · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Any company large enough to require a volume license will almost certainly have some manner of firewall.

    Ever hear of port 80? Web services?

    MS doesn't need a big hole. SOAP would do fine.

  9. Uproar is not over the current mechanics... by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...But over the wording of a license agreement that allows MS to do anything they want to your computer.
    Is this such a bad thing? OK so you have to trust Microsoft here but how else can Windowsupdate work?

    Windowsupdate scans your computer for required updates and, depending on your settings, it downloads the appropriate updates and presents a notification on the taskbar that they need to be installed. One click and the updates are installed.

    There's no justification for needing legal authority to install anything, as the system functions today. To "need" this level of authority, Microsoft would have to argue that THEY, not you, are in fact installing the software in question. In my opinion, (not a lawyer) that's crazy.

    In order for the software to be installed, you (a person of sound mind and body) have to take the active step of saying "Yes." You're doing it. It's one-click installation, but you made the choice.

    Unless future versions of Windows Update will automatically install things? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

    Got Code Red Part 44 after the Code Red Part 43 patch auto-installed? "Sorry, you agreed we could install anything we want, including buggy, poorly-tested code."

    After all, Microsoft would never release a patch that opened up new holes in the feature it was supposed to fix. (Or in other random products.) Anyone claiming contrary will be burned as a witch.
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    Who did what now?
  10. Re:Software auto-update is common by NumberSyx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Google's Toolbar does the same thing, according to their official-until-we-change-it legalese

    The difference is Google only checks for a single piece of information on a single piece of software and my system does not depend on this software to run. I have never had a Google Toolbar update screw up my entire system or even introduce another bug or open security holes. Google also has a pretty good privacy policy for which it has an excellent track record for following. In short, Google has earned my trust, Microsoft has proven time and time again they can not be trusted and it will take more than setting aside 28 days out of the last 20 years to fix problems to restore that trust.

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    "Our products just aren't engineered for security,"
    -Brian Valentine,VP in charge of MS Windows Development

  11. Re:MS didn't think anyone would notice ANYTHING by i_am_nitrogen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about OEM installs of Windows? People who buy a computer from Office Max or Wal-Mart don't ever get the "Agree/Disagree" prompt. Usually there's a little book that says "For distribution only with a new PC." inside the box, but does it ever say anywhere "Read me or die a horrible death?"