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Philips vs Unlicensed DVD Players
Kallahar writes "NewScientist is running an article about how Phillips, Sony, and Pioneer have "asked customs officials throughout Europe to seize players made by unlicensed factories."
Philips, Sony and Pioneer have pooled many hundreds of patents covering all aspects of the DVD system. Philips administers the pool, grants licences and collects royalties, which are then shared three ways." This comes
on the heals of philips going after
copy protected CDs. The draw for these DVD players for consumers
is probably both price, and the fact that they are often free of
those pesky region encodings (especially nice for anime junkies)
I'd prefer not to waste my time buying new equipment to save cost. Not to mention downtime, etc. because you are waiting for your next player to be shipped.
I'm not afraid of falling, it's the sudden stop at the end that frightens me.
I suppose they're doing what (they suppose) is best for them, without caring about others. They're trying to push other manufacturers out of business, or they want them to pay ...
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It's tough but that's the way how it goes, it's the same in every branch of today's business! *sigh*
- Reality bites, but that's what life is
Life sucks.
From what I've read over at the Apex Forums Phillips is stopping the sale of Apex600a players on Ebay. Here is a link to that thread.
Here is a copy of the letter sent to people trying to sell the Apex600a on Ebay:
Dear Sir:
Sorry for your frustration. As our previous message states, as the patent holder, we have a right to stop ANY sale of an unlicensed product, and at this writing, the manufacturer of Oritron and Apex DVD players is chosing to be unlicensed. It is the Manufacturer of the player who is unlicensed, and therefore ANY sale of the product infringes our patents (NOT trademarks). The patents are on the DVD technology.
We are sorry for this inconvenience to you, but at this time you cannot sell this DVD player on eBay. Please be assured that we are working on this at many levels and we hope the manufacturer becomes licensed soon.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Regards,
Ginger Affolter
IP Assistant
Philips Intellectual Property & Standards
PHILIPS ELECTRONICS NORTH AMERICA CORP.
1000 W. Maude Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94085-2810
E-mail: ginger.affolter@philips.com
Web-site: www.licensing.philips.com
I just did a couple quick seaches for 'apex600a' and 'apex 600'. I got no results. So, you can legally buy an Apex600a in the US, like I did from Best Buy, but it is now not allowed to resell it on Ebay. That makes sense.
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As a home theater enthousiast this means losing the ability to buy a nice player such as the Skyworth 1050p with Faroudja deinterlacer which outputs progressive scan on both PAL and NTSC, something the DVD forum forbids.
Projector and HDTV owners love this feature to get rid of the nasty scan lines on their CRT equipment, without the need for buying an expensive external scaler.
The problem with progressive scan is that they cannot easily apply macrovision to it, so you get a very clean signal without copy protection. As a result they have banned it for PAL.
To my knowledge, there are no VCR's which accept a progressive RGB signal, so I cannot grasp why they are so paranoid when we can make perfect DVD copies on our PC's much more easily ?
So far, from the three companies mentioned in the post we've only seen official progressive scan support on region 1 NTSC through component outputs.
For the videophile, this is really BAD.
Now that Enron is gone, does Microsoft's ownership share of President Bush increase?
No one understands the truth behind DVDs outside slashdot and a few other groups. As far as the general public is concerned, DVDs are god, and the best thing since sliced bread. If you try to explain to them that DVD is just a method for large corporations to control you, what you own, and what you have the right to do then they give you a dirty look.
The people need to be educated about region encoding, macrovision and the fact that the producer can even control your fast-forward button. I object to any system that implements an artificial limitation on hardware that you own. If its in my house, then i have access to the circuitry, thus i can make it do what i like - ok so its very hard to mod a player, but its technically possible, therefore the manufacturer shouldn't bother putting in the restrictions in the first place.
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The 660 is a suitable substitute. Out of the box, it doesn't have the compatibility problems of the non-upgraded 600a.
The only thing that it really lacks it TOSlink and component video. Those can be added into the machines with mods.
What is really nice about the 660 is that many of them can be software upgraded. Just burn a bootable image to a disk and put it in... Region 0/1 switchability and a few other "enhancements."
Actually, all the Region 2 native Japanese discs that have been released so far of Hayao Miyazaki's anime also include the English dub and English subtitles (though they're actually "dubtitles," i.e. captions for the English dub--and, in the case of Kiki's Delivery Service, they're dubtitles for the Streamline dub, which isn't even on the disc!).
A lot of anime which have English dubs, such as Giant Robo, include them on the DVD sets as a matter of course, just because, hey, they have the room, and the Japanese seem to think English is "kewl". (Which would also explain why they commissioned Macek to dub and then Japanese subtitle Macross: Love Do You Remember and Megazone 23 Part II--you can still find copies of those subtitled dubs floating around fansub trading circles to this day--and why the Armitage: Polymatrix movie was done only in English, with Japanese subtitles for the folks at home.) Some companies have even started including genuine English subtitles on their discs, though the names of the series escape me (I want to say Gunbuster, though I can't remember specifically).
That being said, gaijin fans have been importing anime from Japan ever since the days of the laserdisc, which didn't even have a capacity for subtitles. After all, if you're going to do a fansub, you want crystal-clear originals--and hey, DVD is even better than laserdisc. There's even a program out there for Windows that lets people view their unsubtitled DVDs in conjunction with downloaded fansub scripts (though it didn't work very well for me when I tried it). And when it comes right down to it, people watched anime in straight Japanese with synopses, scripts, or best guesses for years before fansubbing was even possible.
So claiming that all-region DVD players are not a boon to anime fans because Japanese discs don't have English is a bit misinformed or downright disingenuous. Better do some more research next time.
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My current understanding of the 'hackable' DVD market indicates that the Daewoo 5700 is the current holy grail model.
http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk/Daewoo_DVD5700
Disable region encoding; diable macrovision; NTSC/PAL/RSC format supported; mp3 supported; component out. Only thing this is missing is progressive scan.
There is a good reason for these players, however. They are clearly easier to manufacture, resulting in a cost savings for the consumer. Instead of maintaining 5 separate product lines with different hardware configurations, there is a single line with a flashable BIOS at the end for each region. So Daewoo isn't courting the after-market hackers, but rather just being a good manufacteurer.
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The Daewoo DVG-3000N is $95 (about 110) and is capable of outputting to an NTSC or PAL television set, you can also change the region setting. So while I've never used the player outside of region 1, it should be a perfectly capable set in Europe.