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Philips vs Unlicensed DVD Players

Kallahar writes "NewScientist is running an article about how Phillips, Sony, and Pioneer have "asked customs officials throughout Europe to seize players made by unlicensed factories." Philips, Sony and Pioneer have pooled many hundreds of patents covering all aspects of the DVD system. Philips administers the pool, grants licences and collects royalties, which are then shared three ways." This comes on the heals of philips going after copy protected CDs. The draw for these DVD players for consumers is probably both price, and the fact that they are often free of those pesky region encodings (especially nice for anime junkies)

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  1. Memo to Customs Officers by Stavr0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    From: European Union Border Enforcement Agency
    To: All E.U. Customs Officers
    Subject: New directive

    Effective immediately,
    All efforts to halt drug contraband, illegal alien smuggling and terrorist infiltration is to be suspended. The biggest threat to EU today are unlicensed DVD players. Me must put a stop to this terrible instrument, and protect the children from the ravages of illegal region code hacking.

  2. Re:Hmm... by damiangerous · · Score: 5, Informative
    Is it me, or does this seem blatantly illegal?

    It's just you, but you probably didn't read the article anyway.

    Philips has asked European Union Customs Authorities to impound unlicensed DVD-Video/ROM players and DVD-Video/ROM discs under the EU Council Regulation that covers goods that infringe patents.

    Are you familiar with the Regulation? Did you bother to look it up?
    Here it is: Bulletin EU 1/2-1999
  3. Apex 600a by happycat64 · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's why you go to ebay and find an Apex 600a while you still can. Very excellent machine, will play any region disk you throw at it, dolby digital out, and you can disable macrovision. The newer unlicensed dvd players are of pretty shoddy quality.

    1. Re:Apex 600a by puck01 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From what I've read over at the Apex Forums Phillips is stopping the sale of Apex600a players on Ebay. Here is a link to that thread.

      Here is a copy of the letter sent to people trying to sell the Apex600a on Ebay:

      Dear Sir:

      Sorry for your frustration. As our previous message states, as the patent holder, we have a right to stop ANY sale of an unlicensed product, and at this writing, the manufacturer of Oritron and Apex DVD players is chosing to be unlicensed. It is the Manufacturer of the player who is unlicensed, and therefore ANY sale of the product infringes our patents (NOT trademarks). The patents are on the DVD technology.

      We are sorry for this inconvenience to you, but at this time you cannot sell this DVD player on eBay. Please be assured that we are working on this at many levels and we hope the manufacturer becomes licensed soon.

      Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

      Regards,
      Ginger Affolter
      IP Assistant

      Philips Intellectual Property & Standards
      PHILIPS ELECTRONICS NORTH AMERICA CORP.
      1000 W. Maude Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94085-2810

      E-mail: ginger.affolter@philips.com
      Web-site: www.licensing.philips.com


      I just did a couple quick seaches for 'apex600a' and 'apex 600'. I got no results. So, you can legally buy an Apex600a in the US, like I did from Best Buy, but it is now not allowed to resell it on Ebay. That makes sense.

      puck

  4. Okay, so what's the problem? by mosch · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I fail to see the issue. Some companies which created some great technologies are enforcing their legal right to get license fees for those technologies. This is how patents are SUPPOSED to work!

    Where's the incentive to create if it's legal to just steal the invention and pay nothing?

  5. Ummm...we need to strike a balance here... by joshamania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Saying this is contradictory to Phillips's position on copy protected CD's is not correct. Phillips going after illegal DVD manufacturers is very similar to them chafing against copy protected CD's.

    Someone is using a format that they invented, have the patent on, and should for a reasonable time, have the ability to apportion the use of that patent(s) out as they will. The difference here is that the folks they are going after are making money "stealing" Phillips's technology, unlike a certain sixteen year old kid from Norway.

    While I don't agree with everything they do with their patents (region encoding is complete bullshit theivery....glad I don't live in the UK and have to pay $30 per DVD), this is a relatively new technology and they do hold the patent...this is what patents are for, to keep lazy assholes from making money off you your invention for a certain period of time.

  6. $28/player by crow · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just saw an article on Yahoo that stated that the patent royalties amount to $28 per player. That's over a third of the price for some units, and that's the retail price, not the wholesale price. It's no wonder that companies aren't paying up.

    It's just like with other intellectual property--when you price it too high, people will avoid paying.

  7. Re:Yes you get price by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not just because of the parts.

    In a record player, typically there aren't as many parts that are static, humidity and voltage sensative.

    Nor are there delicate bits of optical equipment with lenses and lasers and other solid state gear.

    It's like comparing the amount of maintance an F-105 needed compared to an F-15. Or the Folk-Wulf crews that bitched about the work it took to keep a Me-262 flying.

    My mom's Sony record player works like a charm, but it has about 1/8th the number of electrical systems a CD player has.

    It's apples and oranges to compare a record player with a CD/DVD player. A better comparision would be a 1st Gen LaserDisk or one of those magneto-optical disk drives from the early 80s and a DVD player from today.

  8. Re:They're trying to send a message by rcw-work · · Score: 4, Informative
    Macrovision is an unbreakable encryption system

    Chuckle, cough, roll eyes.

  9. R2 Anime DVDs & English Options by Robotech_Master · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, all the Region 2 native Japanese discs that have been released so far of Hayao Miyazaki's anime also include the English dub and English subtitles (though they're actually "dubtitles," i.e. captions for the English dub--and, in the case of Kiki's Delivery Service, they're dubtitles for the Streamline dub, which isn't even on the disc!).

    A lot of anime which have English dubs, such as Giant Robo, include them on the DVD sets as a matter of course, just because, hey, they have the room, and the Japanese seem to think English is "kewl". (Which would also explain why they commissioned Macek to dub and then Japanese subtitle Macross: Love Do You Remember and Megazone 23 Part II--you can still find copies of those subtitled dubs floating around fansub trading circles to this day--and why the Armitage: Polymatrix movie was done only in English, with Japanese subtitles for the folks at home.) Some companies have even started including genuine English subtitles on their discs, though the names of the series escape me (I want to say Gunbuster, though I can't remember specifically).

    That being said, gaijin fans have been importing anime from Japan ever since the days of the laserdisc, which didn't even have a capacity for subtitles. After all, if you're going to do a fansub, you want crystal-clear originals--and hey, DVD is even better than laserdisc. There's even a program out there for Windows that lets people view their unsubtitled DVDs in conjunction with downloaded fansub scripts (though it didn't work very well for me when I tried it). And when it comes right down to it, people watched anime in straight Japanese with synopses, scripts, or best guesses for years before fansubbing was even possible.

    So claiming that all-region DVD players are not a boon to anime fans because Japanese discs don't have English is a bit misinformed or downright disingenuous. Better do some more research next time.

    --
    Editor Emeritus and Senior Writer, TeleRead.org