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Losing the War on Patents

theodp writes: "Jeff Bezos and Tim O'Reilly's once-hyped BountyQuest.com takes a beating in a Salon article today that takes note of Amazon's recent decision to license one of the few patents BountyQuest claimed to have found winning prior art for, a patent held by the InTouch Group, who had sued Amazon for infringing on the patent prior to Bezos' reported $1+ million BountyQuest investment. In the article, professional patent buster Greg Aharonian provocatively remarks that "BountyQuest was always a joke...Bezos and O'Reilly were never seriously interested in patent quality...Bezos just used O'Reilly to help Amazon...That Amazon ended up licensing the InTouch patent just shows how stupid the whole thing is.""

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  1. Waste of an investment by The+Rizz · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Amazon may have just gone with the option of paying InQuest because it might just be cheaper to pay the patent royalties than deal with a lengthy court case.
    Even if they do have prior art on their side, you have to PROVE it's prior art.

    The stupid thing here is that Bezos spent $1M+ on this project and didn't even bother doing anything with the fruits of the labor.

    Oh well, hopefully BountyQuest is at least paying those who find the prior art... that way it can be useful for someone, if only as a way to redirect some corporate money into one's own pockets. (In the non-Enron way, that is...)

    --The Rizz

    "There are no circumstances under which a state is justified in placing its welfare ahead of mine." --Robert A. Heinlein

  2. Making the US vulnerable to economic warfare? by Ice+Tiger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Looking at the US patent system and DMCA, it seems that maybe the US is vulnerable to econmic warfare from entities external to it's borders.

    By tactical use of patents and copyright laws it would be easy for such an entity to stifle development of technology and products, thus destroying the US economy.

    Just an idea.

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    "Because we are not employing at entry level, offshoring will kill our industry stone dead."
    1. Re:Making the US vulnerable to economic warfare? by Bozar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Most likely not: for the simple reason that the united states legal system has a habit of ruling in favor of US residents (of which, big corporations are the most important ;D) Take for instance the patent on radio communication by marconi(an italian), which was overturned in favor of one of tesla's (an american). And this comes after marconi won the nobel prize for inventing the radio. (not that tesla didn't deserve to win the dispute... but he was dead at the time i think) And in any case, any money that you put into disputing a patent goes into the united states legal community and legal system, so you are making your own worst nightmare: a nation of practicing lawyers. (wait... do we have that already? :( )

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  3. The main problem with software patent by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Setting aside problems of obviousness, the difficulty of evaluating it, the problem of prior art etc.

    It costs lots of money to mass-produce a technically advanced enough device that would infringe on a significant patent. This means that, if you are faced with a patent infrigement suit, you are most likely already spending a lot of money to produce/design the device, so defending yourself will only be a small part of the total cost of the thing.

    Software patents now ... just ANY programmer could infringe on patents. That means that an 18 year old student could be found infringing a patent, for something he's not even making money on, and then he could not even afford a lawyer to defend himself!

    And it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to avoid infriging on patents: not only are there too many of those patents, but they're written in a completely hermetic language that only specialists comprehend. To top it off, not every programmer understands english well enough to begin with.

    That's why software patents are dangerous and freak the shit out of free software developers: it's like running in a landmine-ridden field. Nobody has step on one yet, but it's bound to happen.

  4. Hurt to developing economies by pubjames · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The way patents are used these days is unfair and is really going to hurt developing economies.

    I wonder if Japan's economic revolution, which started because it began copying electronics devices from the West and did them more cheaply, then better, I wonder if that could today? They would probably get hit by loads of patent infringement claims, which they wouldn't have been able to afford to fight.

    Lets take India, for instance. Lots and lots of very cheap programmers. Don't like paying hundreds of dollars for your XYZ software? You don't have to any more, the Indians have a package just as good for a tenth of the price... It could happen, just liked it happened with Asian countries and consumer electronics and cars.

    Some of you may think, well in that case software patents are good because they protect American businesses. However, if the ecomonies of developing countries improve, we are all better off for it. The people in those countries are more wealthy, which is better for them, and it's better for us because they have money to buy our stuff. Essentially, patents are blocking the efficient working of the free economy, which of course is a cornerstone to the American Way. So, to use currently popular rhetoric, software patents are anti-America.

  5. Here's another way to balance things by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Prohibit either party from spending more than the other. If MegaCorp sues TeensyCorp, they can't bring ten lawyers to the negotiating table or courtroom unless TeensyCorp also brings ten lawyers. If TeensyCorp wants to spend $1000 total on their defense, that's all MegaCorp can spend. Perhaps MegaCorp is absolutely positively sure that they will win on merit; allow them to loan TeensyCorp as much as they want, but TeensyCorp has the right to refuse the loan, in which case MegaCorp still is limited by what TeensyCorp spends. If TeensyCorp accepts the loan and loses, they owe the loan amount; if TeensyCorp wins, MegaCorp loses the loan in addition to the judgement.

    In other words, get money out of the equation of justice. There would certainly be some abuses. MegaCorp could pay a low rate for legal advice on one lawsuit and exagerated rates on unrelated legal matters. But that would show up sooner or later, and it could only be done to a limited extent. MegaCorp still couldn't show up in court with ten lawyers who are only billing $25 an hour, it would be too fishy.

    Apply this to all cases, not just civil. It would stop the death penalty abuses, where some poor slob (who probably is also a scumbag, but still deserves justice) is given $350 for his complete defense.