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LUGs Applying for 501(c)(3) Non-Profit Status?

Posted by Cliff on from the getting-the-IRS-off-your-back dept.

concord asks: "Our group applied for 501(c)(3) non-profit status with the IRS a few months ago. We are an educational group dedicated to assisting any individuals or groups interested in learning more or employing free software. We hold monthly LUG meetings here in Southwest Florida and have been doing so monthly for the past two years. Nevertheless our IRS case manager is denying our request (so far). Have any other LUGs in the US successfully attained 501(c)(3) status? Can you offer any pointers?"

25 comments

  1. Why are you doing this? by Pyromage · · Score: 2

    The two local lugs here (College and city) have both considered non-profit status. We also dismissed it quickly, simply becaus, why? It seemed like a lot of trouble for no gain. Are we missing something here? Why do you want to do it?

    1. Re:Why are you doing this? by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      The only advantage that I can think of is that gifts to the organization would be tax deductable. There might be some additional benefits, but that would be the most important one.

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    2. Re:Why are you doing this? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

      501(3)(c) is more than just non-profit. It's easy to form a non-profit. You simply pay the incorporation fees, and form it. 501(3)(c) corporations, on the other hand, pay no taxes, and donations to them are tax deductible. This is a much higher standard.

    3. Re:Why are you doing this? by HughsOnFirst · · Score: 5, Informative
      It seems to me that there is a possibility that a LUG would be a 501(c)(3) .


      "The exempt purposes set forth in 501(c)(3) are charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition, and the prevention of cruelty to children or animals."


      I've been involved in a few 501(c)(3) organizations, there was a circus, an amiga users group, and my wife has a documentary film production company that is a 501(c)(3). These all fell under the "educational". I also know of a few theater and performance spaces, movie theaters, music and poetry magazines etc. that are 501(c)(3). Just about anything can be educational, I assume a LUG would be educational, and you might even be scientific, charitable, or literary, but educational would be enough.


      What is the benefit of 501(c)(3) status ? There are a lot of 501(c)(3) organizations which can assist other 501(c)(3) orgs with various resources. Many grants , especially in the arts are only awarded through 501(c)(3) umbrella organizations who get a cut of the grant for administering it ( and for dealing with the IRS ). Lots of corporations will donate goods, services , and sometimes money, but only to a 501(c)(3).

      Ask anybody in the academic or arts worlds about 501(c)(3) organizations. For better or worse they are a way of life.

    4. Re:Why are you doing this? by lazlo · · Score: 1
      "The exempt purposes set forth in 501(c)(3) are charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition, and the prevention of cruelty to children or animals."

      There it is right there! Windows operating systems are a form of cruelty, and the LUG is working to prevent them from happening to children and other people (who are, after all, animals too).

      Of course, look at the rest of the accepted purposes:
      Charitable: Maybe
      Religious: Just ask your LUG about vi and emacs.
      Educational: Duh.
      Scientific: Probably.
      Literary: Source code as literature? Sure.
      Testing for public safety: QA! Check for buffer overflows to keep our networks safe!
      Amateur sports: Marathon coding? Maybe not. ;)

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  2. Information that might help by lw54 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I am not a tax attorney. However, here's some info that will probably help your LUG.

    You're trying to become a charitable organization 501(c)(3) but in reality, I think you're probably a social club 501(c)(7) and I'm sure the IRS feels the same way too.

    Look into the IRS's Tax Expemtion for Social Clubs

    1. Re:Information that might help by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I belive that you are correct. My LUG has this status, after it was recomended instead of 501(c)3.

    2. Re:Information that might help by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just talked to my dad, a CPA for over 15 years, and he says he is unsure that a LUG would be a 501(c)(7) without deatails. He did however agree that a LUG should not be a 501(c)(3)

  3. Re:I can see the IRS response.... by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 2

    it's all about the AUP.

    play it loud.

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  4. More info by ekimks · · Score: 2, Informative
    I agree with lance that you may be a social club. But check out the regs for yourself, see http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf which tells about the different kinds of tax exempt organizations and how to apply for status.

    No matter which category you end up, all your board members should understand the limitations so as to avoid stepping over the line.

    I went through an application process about 10 years ago, so the following may have changed. When I applied for the tax number, the type of organization was to be indicated (if Pub 557 doesn't tell you which one, search the irs.gov website). In the form letter the IRS sent out, they indicated that application for status was required if the organization's annual income exceeded a certain threshold. The exact level of the threshold escapes me, seems it was either $2000 or $5000, but it may have changed since then. Point is that if your group just has a 100 members or so meeting in free public rooms at libraries and your major revenue is dues to cover a newsletter, you may not even need to apply for formal recognition. Should this turn out to be the case, you still need to understand and comply with the laws. I'd guess that you may have already applied for a tax ID if you've been turned down for 501(c)(3) status, so check into whether you should change the organization type associated with that number or apply for a new one.

    Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer or accountant, so review the situation yourself from other sources.

  5. Re:I can see the IRS response.... by einstein · · Score: 1

    troll? come one guys... off topic, yes, troll, no. sheesh.
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  6. Presentation on becoming 501(c)(3) by ktohk · · Score: 1, Informative

    I made a presentation at our local HoustonWireless meeting regarding becoming a 501(c)(3). The presentation slides are here. The slides aren't entirely self-explanatory, but hopefully they'll be useful to someone.

  7. Aren't OSes a 'religion'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "The organization will not be recognized as tax exempt if its charter, bylaws, or other governing instrument, or any written policy statement contains a provision that provides for discrimination against any person on the basis of race, color, or religion."
    Well doesn't that mean a LUG is discriminating against die-hard windows fanatics? I mean the people who won't at least dual-boot. Considering that OS fanaticism comes close to religious zeal that would pretty much doom any but the most progressive LUG. Those offering a 12-step program for Windows users.

    1. Re:Aren't OSes a 'religion'? by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 2

      Liunx isn't a religion... yet...

    2. Re:Aren't OSes a 'religion'? by lostchicken · · Score: 1

      They may not be, but in Aussieland, Jedi is.

      Hmm... come the next census, lets all put our OS down as religon!

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  8. 501 (c)3 Educational? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Could you perhaps qualify as a 501(c)3 educational organization (as opposed to social club, etc.)?

    Way way back I worked with a university organization that was able to qualify for this. It seems the greek letter organizations had to apply as a social organization, but since we had an educational mission, we got the educational exemption.

    Not sure if you need to be affiliated with a university for this, though.

    IANAL, and of course you should talk to an attorney first.

    Here's some interesting links for more info:
    http://www.tgci.com/publications/96summer/tobeor.h tm
    http://www.taxexemptlaw.com/lr-04.shtml

    And did you know SETI At Home is a 501(c)3 educational organization?
    http://www.setileague.org/admin/taxexmpt.htm

  9. check out LEAP-CF by jackb_guppy · · Score: 0

    http://www.leap-cf.org/article.php3?article=bylaws

    They are setup as a NOT-PROFIT Corporation - working towards NON-PROFIT status - they resently updated bylaws to include requirements from the IRS.

    You may find that joining an existing group will be easier

  10. Section 501(c)(3) Requirements and Procedures by pbnagel · · Score: 3, Informative

    The IRS agent handling your application has probably cited to a series of cases and Revenue Rulings that hold that computer user groups cannot qualify as charitable or educational under Section 501(c)(3) because they tend to promote the products of a particular hardware or software vendor. That "commercial" flavor to them conflucts with requirement that Section 501(c)(3) organizations must carry out a public, not private purpose. It seems to me that a Linux user group is very much distinguishable from these, since Linux is not commercial software and runs on such a wide variety of platforms, and so you may need to educate the agent about whtya Linux user group is so different from, say, a Mac users group.

    One of the prior posts mentioned a minimum dollar threshhold for applying for Section 501(c)(3) status. It is $5,000 per year. If your annual gross revenues are less than $5,000, you do not need to apply.

    You didn't say where your application is in the IRS's pipeline, but you should have ample opportunities to challenge the agent's decision. Typically, an agent will write what is known as a "21-day letter," which asks you to respond to a list of questions and is your best chance to raise arguments in favor of obtaining tax-exempt status. (If you do not respond within the 21-day period, you will actually have another 90 days to do so.) If the agent does issue a final adverse determination, you will have a right to appeal within the IRS. If you get to that stage, a lawyer would be quite useful, but not necessary.

  11. LUG's benefit individuals by AIXadmin · · Score: 2, Informative

    LUG's usually beneift a small group of individuals. Thiis is why they are denied. You need to show that you are benefiting the public in some way. Not the members of the LUG's.
    Try looking at a association, which is a 501(c)6 .
    Be very carefull when forming a non-profit, there are over 26 different kinds, and everyone of them has restrictions. That the IRS will not hesitate to pounce on you for , and hold its manager liable.

    Cheers,
    Tomas