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Judge Says Microsoft Must Give States Windows Code

murphro (along with many others) writes, "Reuters is posting a story describing how the Judge has ordered the release of Windows code to the states seeking antitrust sanctions. I doubt it will actually happen (because MS will fight it this to the end). But if it did, do you think we commoners would ever see it? And if you did get your hands on the code, what would you do with it?" Here's the Yahoo link. (The same Reuters story is on dozens of other sites, too.)

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  1. Re:lol by delong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The States pushed for viewing the code to prove or disprove the MS allegation that IE and other middleware can not be "unmingled" from the OS without fundamentally damaging the OS. The States want to undo the MS trend of bundling MS middleware products with the OS to the detriment of its competitors. ie. - address the original fundamental anti-trust problem and make MS sell a stripped down Windows, no doubt.

    Derek

  2. Re:Of course IE can be removed... READ! by FatRatBastard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "IE is an integral part of the OS" arguement has always made me chuckle. Its true only because Microsoft has designed it that way, which doesn't necessarily make it right.

    The most damning evidence that a browswer doesn't have to be so close to the kernel (in the kernel???) is IE for Macintosh. Its a damn fine browser that is nothing more than a standalone app. Sure, Microsoft bitches that IE is needed for product updates and help, but that is -- again -- only by MS design. Apple, Debian, Mandrake, et al have all shown that updating can also be a stand alone application. And Gnome and (I assume) KDE have shown you can have HTML help with a regular app browser.

    The contention that IE is neccessary for the OS to run properly is true, but only because MS specifically designed it that way. I've always found the arguement "hey, we're guilty but we can't seperate IE from the OS because its too deeply tied together" the same as Firestone saying "hey, we know we produced crap tires, but we shouldn't have to change the way we made 'em because that would require retooling the tire production line."

  3. Significance of XP embedded? by mjh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if the significance of the states asking for WinXP embedded is that they intend to show that Microsoft already has removed IE from windows.

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  4. The tables have turned. by MongooseCN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So isn't this just like MS telling all their employees to vote for Microsoft in that last poll? Now we are telling everyone on slashdot to go out and vote and slashdot is comprised mostly of anti-Microsoft people.

    1. Re:The tables have turned. by gilroy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Blockquoth the poster:

      So isn't this just like MS telling all their employees to vote for Microsoft in that last poll?

      Um, only if you receive your livelihood from slashdot and also had reason to believe that a failure to vote "correctly" would impact your career. The issue is not that Microsoft tells its people about a poll. The issue is, Microsoft can -- implicitly, at least -- coerce them to vote a certain way.
  5. Re:Here's what Novel, AOL, Lotus (IBM), ... by sheldon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Didn't an NT fix pack a while ago prevent Lotus Notes server from working?"

    NT4 SP6 caused Lotus to stop working because it prevented non-Administrators from opening a Winsock connection.

    This security access problem also caused issues with a great many other applications, not just Notes.

    It was also fixed within a day.

    There is an old saying, "Don't contribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence." It continues to amaze me how whiners continue looking for ghosts in the shadows instead of just understanding the technical issues, realizing people make mistakes and moving on.

  6. Re:Wine by homebru · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It would be a huge boost to projects like wine.

    Or it could be the disaster that kills Wine / Linux. IFF the WinSource is handed over for technical examination, it will certainly be in a VERY controlled environment and, most likely, subject to non-disclosure agreements or court orders. If copyrighted code from Windows wound up in any part of Linux, then Microsoft would have legal justification to sue distributors everywhere to block all distribution. Followed by suits against every name in the contributors list for the infected projects.

    Out-thinking Microsoft is one thing. Stealing their shit is something entirely different.

    Of course, it may be different in your universe.

  7. Re:what would we do with it? by penguin_nipple · · Score: 5, Insightful
    so what the hell is someone who most obviously doesn't know how to add zip and CD-R support to your kernel build doing messing around with it and then complaining vehemently about the process? Most certainly without reading the HOW-TO's associated with a kernel build. Here's a hand, if you feel like learning something:

    Kernel HOW-TO
    CD Burning HOW-TO
    ZIP Drive Mini HOW-TO

    Now my first impression after reading your post, what benig so open minded about things, is that these HOW-TO's are most likely not for you. Much in the same way that Windows based OS'es are not for all of us (Read: Choice!).

    However, you're not limited by that, wanna try Linux? Buy a distro, Redhat, Suse and Mandrake are all quite mature, quite *graphically* configurable and meant for end-users (Read: Binary Updates). Additionally if you spend the few bucks, (certainly not nearly as much as XP), you get something in the realm of 30 days technical, live installation support - I know many people who have used these services and been quite happy.

    So as to maintain the topic thread, I would also suggest that you're miles off topic as MS releasing the source to a fellow such as yourself would make no difference whatsoever. Additionally, there is a huge difference between configuring a kernel, which is what you need to do and kernel hacking which is most certainly something you could never do

    As for your final comment, agreed Linux should be easier for everyone, admittedly the community is not there yet. However, the above mentioned distributions have come a long way in the last year, patience. If you want easy and *NIX then don't be cheap, buy a Mac.

    God, I can't believe I just did all that for such a trollish comment...