Keeping Alien Samples Safe For Study

Metrollica writes: "Space.com features an article describing NASA's plans to prepare the Johnson Space Center that could one day house extraterrestrial life." An excerpt from the article: "It's human nature to clean for company more thoroughly than one would for oneself, but nowhere is this truth taken to greater extremes than at the Johnson Space Center. NASA's setting new standards of cleanliness in its labs that handle samples returning from space. And their efforts are laying the groundwork for samples that might some day contain evidence of extraterrestrial life from Mars, Europa, and other points little known."

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Andromeda Strain...

[Bonker]

There was no air on the moon or in high earth orbit, so there was no reason to keep the astronauts quaranteened.

HOWEVER, it was a good idea, because they didn't know everything they were dealing with yet.

On Mars, Europa, and Io, there exists a remote possibility for life. Retreival missions should be geared to keep this life hermetically isolated from the Earth's biosphere.... Just in case.

Re:Andromeda Strain...

[Perdo]

There was no air on the moon or in high earth orbit, so there was no reason to keep the astronauts quaranteened.

This is sort of recent but there was fungus on the outside of mir's glass

google cache of article

Mir crashed and this crap is in the ocean now after spending millions of life cycles in had cosmic radiation

Nature at it's best through evolution and man doing stupid things to himself.

It'll be used sooner then you think...

[S-prime]

If all goes well the Stardust mission will be returning to Earth with cosmic dust particles from the comet WIld 2 sometime in 2006

From what is mentioned on the project webpage it seems that they plan to return the sample to Earth via a capsule to be jettisoned from the space probe when it returns.

While the chances for contamination are relatively low, it certainly can't hurt to be prepared.

More info at
http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html

Dangerous stuff

[NewtonsLaw]

Imagine if there was once advanced, possibly even intelligent, life on Mars.

Would it be too far-fetched to speculate that perhaps that all higher life forms were wiped out by some virus or bacterial disease?

With the plant and animal life gone, the climate of the planet would change radically -- to the extent that we see today - but the cause of the catastrophy could stil be lurking in the soil.

What guarantees do we have that bringing back a sample of soil or rock from Mars wouldn't expose this planet to the same catastrophic outcome?

From what I read, scientists are still debating whether those odd fossil-like oddities discovered in meteoric fragments from Mars are actually petrified bacteria.

I think it makes a lot of sense to take every possible precaution when it comes to bringing stuff back from Mars. It might even be a good idea to do the initial analysis up in the ISS just in case it's really bad news. After all, how do we know that we could actually contain a pathogen such as that which might be returned from the red planet?

Is it really worth the risk?

Re:Dangerous stuff

[LadyLucky]

See, I tend to think the opposite. Life on earth has spent millions of years adapting to our environment, adapting to be more and more efficient at doing bad stuff to us. I think it would be highly unlikely that any given virus would have any potency in a terrestrial environment. After all, there is nothing inherent about a particular virus that makes it deadly, it is just that its interactions with our bodies cause ill effects.

I would have thought extra-terrestrial life is likely to have the same kind of effect on us as we would on them. If we can't survive over there, why could they survive here? All in all, it is more like a roll of the evolutionary dice, in a game where the possibilities are huge, and the successful species very few. Not only that, but they have to be more successful than the ones on earth that have evolved already.

This is a job for the space station

[corebreech]

Why bring it to Earth? Just bring it to the Space Station.

Specifically, you have the returning space probe enter Earth orbit. A service vehicle is then dispatched to dock with the probe. Part of the service vehicle is designed to serve as a containment module for whatever beasties the probe brought back.

Then the service vehicle navigates back to the space station and docks. The containment module remains off-limits to personnel, all observation/experiments are performed using machines preinstalled in the containment module.

If the beasties start pulling an Andromeda on us, you jettison the module and send it on its way to the Sun.

Re:This is a job for the space station

[CheshireCatCO]

This is a job for a full-blown lab with actual human involvment. If the Viking landers taught us anything, it's that we cannot anticipate all of the kinds of tests we might need and results (false and real) that we will see. There is no way you'll launch a full-sized, fully equiped biological lab into orbit, espeically not one where humans can really work (gravity is pretty popular amoung biologists, silly people).

The whole point of bringing these samples back is to bring the full arsenal of our scientific abilities against them. You can't do that via remotely controlled robots, either on Mars or in the next room of the space station.

The Alien

[_Sprocket_]

In one of the buildings I occasionally worked in at JSC (medical facility - forget the building number), there is an underground room. Pretty far underground. I've been told it was origionally used to examine astronauts before and after flights free from stray radiation, etc from the atmosphere (a combination of an insulated room and earth). Of course, we liked to claim that was where The Alien was housed.

Of course, that fell in line nicely with rumors that JSC was actually a Hanger 18 site. And that's why JSC property includes lots of undeveloped land (all those underground facilities). Now days there's a major road and a magnet school along one of the borders that used to be closed off NASA territory.

Of course - its all bunk anyway. But it fit nicely with the Alien Room at the bottom of the (sometimes) locked elevator.

Houston not a safe location

[texchanchan]

Johnson Space Center is just south of Clear Lake City, between the city of Houston and the Gulf of Mexico. The land it is on is already sinking. Every year, local roads disappear for days at a time under high water after heavy rains.

Houston locals, including the people at NASA-JSC, entertain themselves by betting on where the hurricanes are going to hit. Locals track them on maps--and everybody has maps with latitude and longitude, because they are distributed by local businesses printed on placemats, grocery bags, and such.

Clear Lake has a straight section running directly from the Gulf of Mexico to the south side of Johnson Space Center. Topo map A big hurricane, hitting at the right point in the tidal cycle, could create a storm surge that would flood everything at JSC up to, maybe including, the second floor.

When I worked there (a long time ago) high-water preparedness consisted of putting the equipment up on tables and desks.

It seems to me that a place which could be sloshing with seawater is not the best location for this lab.