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Cringely: OS X on Intel

sti writes: "Cringely's column this week argues that Apple should port OS X to the Intel platform. He makes an interesting case for it. I would definitely favour this. I've always had this warm spot in my heart for Apple but rarely had the money to pay for their overpriced hardware."

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  1. Apples looked at this in the past by The+Mutant · · Score: 5, Informative

    This site talks about a project at Apple some ten years ago to port Mac OS to Intel hardware.

    The article also talks about the work done by ARDI, the firm mentioned in the InfoWorld story.

    Apple assembled a small team and got Mac OS runnning pretty quickly, but it seemed the firm didn't have the willpower to push it to market.

    It probably would be different this time around with the forceful Steve Jobs at the helm.

  2. X runs under MacOSX by teridon · · Score: 4, Informative
    all the good apps these days are written for X. I don't believe X is even supported under OSX.

    bzzzt. X runs just fine under OSX. Check out the XonX project .

    . It is under darwin but that is a seperate distro and not is the bundled OSX that comes default with all macs

    What? Darwin is the same, with or without OSX "on top".

    The only Unix things I can run in OSX is stuff like sed, awk, etc.

    Dude, what have you been smoking? You've never even *seen* OSX, have you?

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  3. Re:Quantitative comparison of price by Verminator · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just did the same BTO at Dell.com... there seems to be a slight discrepancy here.

    I believe that Riskable made the same mistake I did initially... which was selecting a 15" CRT, rather than a 15" LCD.

    With the LCD, Dell's offering rounds out at $1289.00.

    I could locate no option to add FireWire.

    Now which is the bargain computer? Hmmm...

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  4. Re:Quantitative comparison of price by MO! · · Score: 4, Informative
    You're still can't compare the two that way. You have to see the entire picture - not just the little details. The best analogy is what Apple itself uses - automobiles:


    Compare two cars: Ford Mustang vs. Jaguar XK Series (I'm not going into great detail on the specific options/prices)


    Both have 4 wheels

    Both have a stearing wheel

    Both have bucket seats

    Both have CD Stereo

    Both can drive you around town


    Price of the Mustang is dramatically less than the Jaguar - is the Jag overpriced? I would say not, the two cars are of completely different classes, and as such, cannot compare.


    What you pay more for in a Mac is the complete engineering and design. Some say ease of use, as well, but that is too subjective to quantify. The simple fact is I can attach/detach my USB camera, photo printer, scanner, MP3 player, mouse, etc. to/from my Mac without any bazaar configuration issues to deal with. A Dell, or any other x86 box, will have quite a different behaviour to the this practice. If you're using Windows, prepare for a blue-screen or two. If your using Linux/*BSD hope you have the correct kernel/module compiled and your USB subsystem doesn't panic when connecting/disconnecting devices rapidly (I have had panics in both Linux & FreeBSD due to a USB based KVM switch to share a single USB keyboard & mouse if I switch ports too quickly). This is what you pay for - a system that works consistently, without putting the user through hell just to get work done.

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  5. Re:Wouldn't be the same by mellon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try turning on backing compression and see if it helps you any. To do this, make a copy of /Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver.plist in ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver/plist , and after the first <dict> in the file, add the following:

    <key>BackingCompression</key>
    <dict>
    <key>compressionScanTime</key>
    <real>5.000000000000000e+00</real>
    <key>minCompressableSize</key>
    <integer>8193</integer>
    <key>minCompressionRatio</key>
    <real>1.100000023841858e+00</real>
    </dict>

    I don't know if this makes a difference, but I run 10.1.2 on an iBook 500 with 640M of memory, and the performance is very nice. (BTW, I didn't come up with this hack - it's from a MacOS mailing list, IIRC).

    Also, if you are running Netscape, be aware that it busy loops and consumes a lot of CPU even if it's not displaying any animations. It will sit there and consume 50% of your CPU while you have it hidden. :'(

    Also, if you have Word for MacOS X, be aware that it also busy loops, and consumes a truly impressive amount of CPU. :'(

    If you don't know what this means, the deal is that in a non-pre-emptive O.S., most applications just sit there in the event loop waiting for something to happen, and they expect the system to take control away from them when they call getNextEvent (or whatever it is in MacOS 9) if there's another application with an event running. I suspect that Netscape and Office are both expecting this to happen when they call the carbon version of getNextEvent, but they're calling a non-blocking getNextEvent, so they just sit there going "is there an event?", hearing "no," and then doing the same thing again over and over again. I'm sure this would be really easy to fix, but although I reported the bug on Netscape, at least, the next version that came out was still broken in this way.