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Richard Stallman On KDE/GNOME Cooperation
Karma Sucks writes: "For the first time that I remember, RMS is encouraging collaboration between the GNOME and KDE projects. He offers a concrete idea: Unifying the themes between KDE and GNOME. Matthias Ettrich once went far enough to propose a default unified 'Linux' theme that both Qt and GTK+ could support."
I think the answer to your last question can be summed up in one word. Ego.
Yes ego. It's not just for the criminally monopolists =)
Huh? anybody?
I'm amazed that RMS can honestly think that unifying themes under GNOME and KDE is a need. Users like diversity although it happens that somebody can think that Linux needs Windows or Mac uniformity (which is just what Microsoft & Apple decided for their users, not the users request). So what's the point in unifying themes? Well.. what do users need? Applications. Want to program a Linux app? Okay... do you use Qt? Do you use kdelibs? do you use Gtk+? or Gnome-libs? Or a scripting language? or X11? I mean, first we have to say officially, well, the _LSB_ has to decide:
- either KDE or GNOME or any other graphical environment is Linux default
- or KDE *and* GNOME and maybe others are the default
- or use X11
Users wants GRAPHICAL APPLICATIONS, so PLEASE release SPECS and STANDARDS so programmers, and eventually software companies can write Linux apps. This is a real issue, but please do not whine at desktop appearance, the need is in standardization, even if we have to standardize TWO graphical environments because Miguel De Icaza and Richard Stallman once thought it was a better idea to start a new project and fight KDE instead of trying to arrange things first or push all the energy in a Qt replacement (rembember harmony?). Well, I'm litteraly stressed by such info. Sorry for the tone of my message.
Wow! Let me... uhm... use this opportunity to illustrate that it is elitists like you that will ensure till the end of time that Linux will never succeed on the desktop.
/. all week. But since you elitists/purists/whatever tend to have only one opinion, you are hindering your own success.
.config file in /etc to change their word processor's font size, they should pack up their computer back into its original box and slap a "return to sender" label on the box.
The parent to yours was probably the most insightful thing I read on
Linux, in order to gain even desktop acceptance, needs all the features listed and more. Looking to Hell and back for an obscure HOWTO isn't help. Help is help, not HOWTOs, get it? Typing apt-get doesn't qualify as updating. It's crap. You need a Windows-Update lookalike to succeed.
You people remind me of that quote by Mike Myers, "Welcome to all things Scottish... where our motto is, 'If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!'" If you want to lead to your own demise, by my guest.
Judging from your low user number, there is no changing you. Your primary concern is not for the success of Linux, it's to "keep away those stupid users." You're probably the real-life version of SNL's "Nick Burns, the company computer guy." You probably thing that if someone isn't willing to use vi to edit a
Grow up. Get a life. You are the perfect example of why Linux will never succeed on the desktop. The reason some corporate customers are gradually moving away from *nix to Windows is because of expensive prick sysadmins like you who don't give a shit except to promote their elitist agenda. Reminds me of that troll post between the HR rep and the Unix admin (props to whoever wrote that). So there.
Ignorant bullshit.
First, what amounts to the "most successful" desktop currently has no fucking help whatsoever.
Second, gnome-apt is a graphical update utility. It is a frontend to apt-get. It doesn't look like windows update, but it acts like windows update. So strike-fucking-two.
It's idiots like you that want an MS-Windows clone that you don't have to pay for that make me sick. You have no clue what it is your looking at, but since it doesn't look like your 'leet Windows desktop, it must suck.
Y'know what? Bite me. Linux is a lot easier to use than MS-Windows. I know. I've installed it in places where computer newbies use it. And I *always* get comments along the lines of, "This is much easier than my computer at home."
So don't come up to me with your, "I know better than you, oldtimer" inexperienced diaper-assed attitude.
And the corporate numbers indicate that Unix is finally making an inroad *into* the corporate desktop.
So go home and play your 'leet games. I don't care. Quality is not measured by numbers; if that were so, Budweiser would truly be the best beer, and the Ford Escort would be the best car.
I have no elitest agenda. All I care about is that I have a good time programming, and that punks like you don't try to tell *me* how to spend my coding time.
BTW, you didn't illustrate anything except your own ignorance. I invalidated every point except one-- the MS-Office clone. And the best you can do is harp on obscure HOWTOs, instead of looking at KDE and GNOME help (which both provide more information that MS-Windows help), and apt-get, which has a damned good front end and is a better update utility than MS-Windows has.
Get a life. More than that, grow a brain.
Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
It may have been mentioned before, but the real reason is that RMS can't stand to not have the FSF in charge of anything that has the GPL as a license and is also successful.
This is NOT flamebait, it's the truth, at least as I see it. When a GPL'd project is unsuccessful or new, RMS dismisses it along the lines of "this will substitute until we finish" whatever. When it becomes successful he's right there trying to claim it. Such as the whole GNU/Linux thing. I hate to break it, but GNU got a boost with Linux, not Linux a boost with GNU. It could have just as been the BSD tools that ended up in the first Linux distros, and there are still people working toward a "low-GPL" linux distro.
What RMS is looking for here is a merge, or a way to give the edge to GNOME.
Don't get me wrong, GNOME is a great project, but so is KDE, and we NEED this competition. It's necessary for innovation, and we should NOT let RMS mangle KDE into one of the FSF's projects.
My question is, when he fails to get control of KDE in this way, will he instead insist on calling it GNU/KDE because it builds on top of GNU tools?
Don't moderate me flamebait because you disagree with my opinion. You'd do better to rebut my argument instead.
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