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The Theory of Leech Computing

Phil Frisbie, Jr. writes "I am defining Leech Computing as 'a program running on a client computer without user knowledge that can process data and report back the results, but otherwise does not effect the usability of the client computer and makes no changes to the client'. Leech Computing, Part 1 covers basic theory."

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  1. Slashdotted by selkirk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Step #1: Leech off of someone with lots of bandwidth.

  2. Well.. by ch-chuck · · Score: 4, Funny

    what else is Mr & Mrs home users new 2.4Ghz, 510Mb, 120Gb system running XP just purchased to send an AOLgram to missy at college once every weekend, good for?

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  3. you never know what might be on your machine... by supernova87a · · Score: 4, Funny

    A professor in our department hired a research assistant a while ago, who worked for him for about a year. After the assistant left, the professor noticed that his computer was running really sluggish at all hours, but b/c he wasn't really familiar with the system, assumed it was just getting slower with all the data processing algorithms he was running.

    A couple of months later, the network admin starts nosing around, and sends the professor an embarassing note asking to take down the web server about hot leather pants from his computer, since it was overloading the network...

  4. Idea by autocracy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we use this to create a distributed webserver that where each person who visits the site will serve copies of it? This guy's system can definitely use it! SLASHDOTTED

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  5. reminds me of parasitic computing by werd+life · · Score: 4, Informative
    Parasitic computing is getting other machines to perform calculations for you, while only using legitimate services. There is a great article here

    There's also a good page quickly discussing Villain-to-Victim computing. The point is to use correctly configured machines to do things they were not intended to.

  6. Interesting concept by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Conceptually, I find this interesting. It can run without user notice. The only problem is that it does steal CPU cycles, and as far as I know there is no real way in Javascript (or Java applets) to make the program run only when it isn't competing with other applications. I can imagine that some users might get really upset because you are stealing their computer resources. Because of this, I wouldn't recommend doing this kind of thing without notifying the user and perhaps giving them the option to turn it off. However, I can see some potential uses for this as long as the user is aware. For example, slashdot viewers probably wouldn't mind some leech Javascript working on the latest encryption cracking contest, especially if they got to "share the wealth."

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  7. If used properly, this could replace banner ads. by Bonker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Say you're running a 1.5 ghz machine and browsing the web. Chances are, even if you're playing MP3's in the background, you're using less than 5% of your processor cycles. If you could trade another 50% of those cycles you're not otherwise using for the ability to kill ads or for access to a restricted site, Would you?

    (I can see it now. 50 to 100 years from now, the Porn Website Coalition has won a Nobel prize for creating a vast distributed network for math intensive problems....)

    The problem with this model is that the implimentation of Javascript is slow and horrendously messy. It's brutally inefficient for anything other than the most minor effects carried out in a browser window. I shudder to think of what most browsers would do, given a math-intensive task. FFT's in Javascript anyone?

    Unlike the author, I think that Java and/or ActiveX applets will probably see this sort of exploitation first, since they're easier to tune speed out of.

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  8. Re:Seems like this is in use already by bananapeel17 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recently ran Ad-Aware on my windows box and was surprised to find there were 4 spyware programs installed and running, and remnants of 3 more existed in the registry. And I thought I was being careful...

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  9. background tasks are not transparent by RussRoss · · Score: 4, Interesting
    At least on Linux systems, the scheduler behavior is definately affected by even a single low priority (nice value 19) task. I run distributed.net clients full time on my system and generally it's not a problem, but sometimes when running another CPU bound interactive job (playing back movies or MP3s, playing games on an emulator, games in general) the effects are noticeable.

    When I was an undergrad I did a semester research project on this and identified some of the problems:

    http://www.russross.com/cs261/paper.html

    I run a dual CPU machine now which generally masks the problem, but even the fastest single CPU systems will suffer noticeable effects once the scheduler falls back to a round robin scheme with weighted timeslice lengths which is essentially what happens once you have two or more CPU bound jobs competing for CPU time.

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  10. Slight Surprise by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The one thing that surprised me a bit was that the author didn't take advantage of the opportunity to put a bit of leech computing onto his own web page. He mentions (on the second page) that:

    Of course, you would not label such a button 'Click here to submit hidden data', but what if it were labeled 'Next Page'? How many times have you pressed a button like that without even thinking about it? When the user presses the button, the leech submits the hidden data and redirects to the next page. As long as the user gets to the next page, they will not have any reason to think that the button had any other function.

    Then I remembered that there was, in fact, just such a button on the first page. But when I went back to check, there wasn't actually a Javascript applet there trying to leech a little bit of computing power from me. There wasn't even a cute little message thanking me for checking to see if there was such a Javascript applet. Too bad, he missed a great chance.

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  11. Wrong, but not a bad thing by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > how could you possibly get data back to the server without the user knowing it

    He says refresh and 'tricking' the user are the only ways (on form submits.) Wrong.

    dynamic.php:

    <script>
    data data data
    do do
    calc calc
    var me = answer;
    document.write("&ltscript src='http://myserver.com/donate.js?answer=" + encode(me) + "'></scr"+"ipt>");
    &lt\script>

    That sends some data to the client, does some client side cals, and sends the data back to my server (although I have to respect the max limit of data one can send via form posts, but its the same with his more obvious methods.)

    This is done all the time to count impressions in the advertising world. In fact, in a sense, advertising tracking online is already leech computing in some implementations.

    BTW, the .. " as a close of the top level script tag.

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