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Intel Hyperthreading In Reality

A reader writes: "Looks like GamePC has got the first look at Intel's new Xeon processor, which has the new super-fantastico Hyperthreading technology, which tricks your OS into thinking one CPU is two CPUs, two CPUs is four. Looks neat in theory, benchies included."

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  1. Hyperthreading useless on Win2K? by syzxys · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hyperthreading is a pretty cool idea, especially for those of us who would like to see SMP move more into the mainstream.

    According to this article, though (posted on 2cpu.com), the Windows 2000 scheduler doesn't know how to take advantage of hyperthreading, since it doesn't know how to take advantage of virtual processors. (I suppose Windows XP does?) Go figure. Anyway, this looks like it's probably worth checking into. I'm sure Linux will support it!

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    1. Re:Hyperthreading useless on Win2K? by Blue+Lozenge · · Score: 5, Informative
      Here is a quote from the article:
      Since Hyperthreading is implemented on the hardware level, the motherboard sees a single hyperthread-compatible CPU as two physical CPUs. Thus, software that is written for multiple CPUs will be tricked into thinking there is a second CPU in the system, and will run the appropriate multithreaded code if available. Since Windows XP and 2000 are coded to take advantage of multiple CPU's, it too sees a hypertheaded CPU as two.

      It would seem that you don't need special OS support beyond standard SMP.

  2. Argh, 12 pages! by mESSDan · · Score: 5, Informative

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  3. Re:That explains it by Phs2501 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Basically, as I understand it, it allows closer to 100% use of your CPU at any time.

    Modern CPU's have many different execution units. Depending on the code running, not all of them may have work scheduled. Future work may depend on previous results; obviously you can't do this in parallel. The idea of "HyperThreading" is to run more than one thread of execution at a time with the multiple execution units - so more work gets done per clock cycle.

    A quick Google search turned up an article here. At one point I read a really excellent article on single-processor multithreading (discussing a future Alpha processor) but I can't find it anymore. Hopefully AMD will do something like this as well for a future Hammer processor.

  4. It's not for games, stupid by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    All this "hyperthreading" does is share some ALU resources between multiple threads. The big win is if one thread does lots of FPU work and the other doesn't. If both "hyperthreads" are hitting the CPU's computational resources hard, it probably won't help much.

    And it may hurt. A downside of "hyperthreading" is that the threads contend for cache space, so if the threads are executing very different code, the cache miss rate will rise. Of course, this happens in ordinary threading on each context switch, but with "hyperthreading", there's a context switch of sorts on every instruction cycle. If this effect shows up, it will show in L1 cache miss rates.

    This isn't a totally new idea, either. The first step in this direction was the peripheral processor for the CDC 6600, in the 1960s, which appeared as ten peripheral processors to the programmer. Internally, it was ten sets of registers and one ALU, doing one instruction for each machine state in turn. Basic/4, a forgotten minicomputer manufacturer, tried a similar idea in the 1970s.

    On the other hand, this apparently isn't that tough a feature to add to an already-superscalar CPU, so why not?

  5. Re:The advantage of hyperthreading by greymond · · Score: 4, Informative

    but then theres this: "While this looks great for showing off to co-workers or friends, you will absolutely NOT get the performance of four CPUs running in your system (I can't stress this enough). As you'll see in our benchmarks later, even if software is written to take advantage of SMP, you rarely ever see performance gains with Hyperthreading enabled."

  6. SMT by mrm677 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT) is not a new idea, although no one to my knowledge has implemented it yet. Intel just calls it "Hyperthreading"...it is essentially SMT.

    And yes, this is a very good idea. A modern superscaler out-of-order processor, like the Athlon and Pentium Pro (and later), can issue and retire multiple instructions per clock cycle. However, it can *only* do this if there is enough instruction-level parallelism (ILP). Turns out, there is not enough ILP in current programs to take full advantage of the chips processing capabilities. Issue slots and function units go unused due to dependencies in the program and cache misses that stall the processing. A typical processor can only look at about 32 instructions at a time. This is not a large enough window to execute future instructions out-of-order when such a stall occurs.

    However, 2 threads of execution will likely fill all of the issue slots. They are also independent threads of execution, so dependencies don't exist between them. This means that when the pipeline stalls due to a cache miss, the other thread can keep on retiring instructions.

    To all those saying that this is dumb, I suggest you study some modern architecture (I'm not talking about your undergrad architecture course either). A paper I read recently studied the affects of SMT on a simulated Alpha processor. The results were astounding with very little changes to the processor core. I heard that the next Alpha was slated to include SMT before Intel killed it.

    1. Re:SMT by Slowping · · Score: 5, Informative
      I got my undergrad architecture class at the University of Washington CSE department, and was fortunate enough to have a few lectures on SMT in my architecture class.

      Professor Hank Levy has a whole bunch of interesting SMT papers; covering the architecture, performance analysis, compiler optimizations, etc.

      Here is the presentation Prof Levy used during his guest lecture about SMT when I took the class.

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