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Time on "Pirates of Primetime"

Posted by CmdrTaco on from the polly-wanna-tivo dept.

binarydreams writes "Time has a pretty decent article on the capturing and trading of television shows on the Internet. The author gives a very good description of the capturing process, the people who enjoy the results, the future of PVR (focusing on the Replay 4000) and why the TV and movie industries are scared." This is just more of the TV industry coming to grips with what happened to the music industry. But it's important that the mainstream learns about it.

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  1. Oh... by $0+31337 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "I know it's not legal," the college sophomore says, "but it's easier for me to download than it is to get HBO or cable."

    Oh... I guess it's ok then. Whatever is easiest for you... God forbid you make the one phone call to the cable company or directv..

    1. Re:Oh... by HCase · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, in her case it may well be that this is the only way for her to get the show with any ease at all. I'm also a sophmore, i live in a dorm, the college supplies the cable, but i don't get channels like hbo. If its not a standard cable channel there isn't any(short of setting up a dish in a neighbors room across the hall) way to get it. She may well be in the same situation.

    2. Re:Oh... by uebernewby · · Score: 5, Interesting

      OK, so what about this: I live in the Netherlands, Enterprise doesn't air here until next year or so. I do, however, have a broadband connection. Guess what? I want to see that show so bad I'll just download it two days after it airs in the US. Illegal? Yes. Would I do the same thing if they'd give up that stupid "release in the US first, then UK, then rest of the world" policy of theirs and had Enterprise in NL, even if were, say, two weeks behind schedule? Probably not, as I prefer to watch TV on my TV.

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  2. Difference from music warez being... by weird+mehgny · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...that TV shows get broadcasted once or twice, and that's what you get (it's not like everything gets released on video tapes...).

  3. Piracy? by toupsie · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The TV networks should be flattered that anyone would want to "pirate" their crap. It seems that as I get more channels on my cable system, the less quality I get. I can honestly say I do not watch one network show during PrimeTime outside of Enterprise and the Simpsons.

    Its gotten so bad, I actually watched a History Channel show on the history of hand tools over the shows that were on CBS, NBC, Fox and ABC and I wouldn't even know what to use those hand tools for! Once the Olympics go off the air, I most likely won't be watching NBC anytime soon.

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  4. Napster by Psmylie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I like how this article seems to want to tie a decline in music sales to Napster, and not to the fact (Ok, it's actually my opinion) that music seems to really suck right now.

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  5. A simple solution ... by HerringFlavoredFowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A simple solution would be for the TV Network's to make the shows avaliable (with adds) on a bunch of fast servers. For pay per view type programming, have a subscription style service ... All they need to do is follow the p0rn industries model and they will be rolling in the dough

    Trying to enforce at what time a person watches a show is silly. Not to mention controlling and repressive.

    TastesLikeHerringFlavoredChicken

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  6. Re:TV is dying by mccalli · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Why would I want someone else to decide when I want to watch something when I could download it whenever I want?

    If you hadn't watched at least some of a series first, how would you know whether to download it?

    This is always my big argument against totally prescriptive 'personal scheduling'. I have a TiVO box and think it's great, but still watch ordinary TV because otherwise how would I ever find out what's new in the world? If all I ever watched was what I'd told it to record, things would become stagnant very quickly.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  7. C&D letter from the MPAA by xjosh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here is a nice letter that someone from the MPAA sent to my news provider regarding the posting of a par file to a newsgroup. I'm still trying to get my head around how parity data for a part of a capture can be construed as copyrighted and infringing.

    Perhaps instead of posting shows, 60-120 people should independantly review the shows and include a clip in their review.

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    From: MPAA@copyright.org
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    Subject: [DMCA #1604] Unauthorized Distribution of Copyrighted Motion Pictures (Reference#: XXXXXX)
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    UNITED STATES
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    Tuesday, February 19, 2002

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    Via Fax/Email

    RE: Unauthorized Distribution of Copyrighted Motion Pictures
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    Reference#: XXXXXX

    Date of Infringement: 2/15/2002 4:32:43 PM GMT

    Dear dmca@giganews.com:

    The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) represents the following motion picture production and distribution companies:

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    Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
    United Artists Pictures, Inc.
    United Artists Corporation
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    Warner Bros., a Division of Time Warner Entertainment Company, L.P.

    We have received information that you are offering Internet access service to the above referenced account holder, who has utilized your services to post downloads to Usenet newsgroups of copyrighted motion picture(s) including such title(s) as:

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    The distribution of unauthorized copies of copyrighted motion pictures constitutes copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 106(3). This conduct may also violate the laws of other countries, international law, and/or treaty obligations.

    We request that you immediately do the following:

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    On behalf of the respective owners of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state, pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 512, that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owners, their respective agents, or the law.

    Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we hereby state, under penalty of perjury, under the laws of the State of California and under the laws of the United States, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owners of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification.

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  8. TV on Demand by mini+me · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The dream for TV was always to be able to watch any show you want, when you want. VCRs started this trend, but doesn't achive the desired results due to limitations in the technology. Due to other past technical limitations, no other device or provider could feasibly give TV on demand either.

    This is all starting to change however. Instead of having all the shows in one central location, spread the shows around different homes across the world. This model was popularized by Napster and it works fairly well, ignoring the legal issues.

    What the media needs to see is that things are changing. Their roles will become different, not obsolete. There is still plenty of room for them to make money if they embrace the technology and act fast. The music industry ignored online music distribution, and they lost out. Had they been a player in online music distribution then things would have been different and they wouldn't have to complain about lost CD sales after the demise of Napster.

    If people use the technology to distribte media then that is obviously how they want to do it, and that is how they should get it. Otherwise they wouldn't use it. It's not fair to the consumer to be dictated on how they will enjoy their entertainment. If they want to watch a TV show recorded by someone else across the globe then it should be up to them.

  9. Re:TV Shows being pirated - what's really scary by ip_vjl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I were a network executive I'd definitely be scared by that list ... why?

    It's not as much the fact that people are pirating, but that these people would rather download the numerous episodes of ALF than watch what's currently on TV.

    Hollywood has been leading the best prevention against piracy by producing stuff that nobody would want to own in the first place. Who knows, maybe writing a good script would be seen as a breach of the DMCA because it would promote the desire to own and copy.

  10. Daria on DVD...PLEASE!!!! by MsGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There are plenty of TV shows that I would gladly purchase on DVD. I was happy to see "Buffy the Vampire Slayer, season 1" on DVD -- not because I want to buy it, but because I'm hoping that means that shows like "Kojak, Season 1" make it.

    I want to see the entire 5-season run of "Daria" on DVD. So do a lot of other people. There is an organized drive to get "Daria" out on DVD: it can be found at http://www.the-wildone.com/dvdaria/.

    One way this can be helped along is by buying the DVD of "Is It Fall Yet?" the first "Daria" TV movie. Research by "Daria" fans in the UK has found that even though the DVD is marked "Region 1" that it is in reality regionless, able to be played on any DVD player or DVD-ROM drive. This is a Good Thing (tm) and suggests that anyone, anywhere in the world should go out and get the DVD.

    I would give a link here but there are too many people with too many beefs against too many online merchants to where if I linked to anyone I'd get people upset, and Powell's doesn't seem to carry DVDs anyway. Just go to your favorite video online site and search for "Is It Fall Yet?" Or ask at your local video store. Since Viacom still owns Blockbuster (ugh!) they might be a likely suspect.

    Another TV product that I would love to see on DVD is the TNT original movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley." Time-Warner has put it out on VHS but has yet to put it out on DVD.

    The media companies need to either start RAPIDLY putting out TV content on DVD or face more of this so-called piracy. I thought that the Sony vs. Universal Pictures decision found that there was a right to not only time-shift TV programs but tape trade stuff taped off the air provided no money changes hands! So what's the fsckn prob? No profit is being made on this, and most of these programs don't have a legit video/DVD pipeline anyway. No bread is being taken out of anyone's mouth.

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  11. Things to remember... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    in the 1970's the broadcaster and networks complained and screamed that VCR's were going to destroy their industry.. It was stealing money from them and destroying their business... they lied... In the 1970's the broadcasters and networks also screamed that Cable Television was going to destroy their industry.. it was stealing their revinue from them and destroying their industry.. They lied again. in the 1980's the broadcasters and networks screamed that sattelite Tv companies were stealing their customers and revinues and it would destroy their industry... They lied again.

    They did this in the 90's with Digital Television. and Now they are doing it about PVR's and digital tv shows on the internet.

    you know what? with their track record in the past of lying... it's safe to instantly assume that they are yet again .... lying...

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  12. Re:Sometimes desire is not enough by tkrotchko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would it be okay for a friend to videotape it for them and then loan it to them to watch it later?

    Or is it only okay to watch it as its broadcast?

    I'm not being sarcastic, I'm just trying to understand the limits of fair use.

    --
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  13. Anime too by cryptochrome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The situation is similar for anime here in the US. Rather than waiting years for a particular show or movie to show up (IF it shows up) in the US, independent groups of fans capture, subtitle, and distribute them for free.

    They generally dub to high bitrate and high resolution DivX files, which are viewable on most any computer that has the processing power for it, but still not the same as doing it on TV. The quality of the subtitles has also become increasingly good - even professional - over the years. Of course these are watchable for anyone that speaks english, and there are other groups who work with other languages too. In fact the most difficult part is the trading and distribution of these files, which is pretty haphazard and often results in corrupted files since there is no error checking and correction, and the fact that you watch them on the computer rather than the TV (which is acceptable to many).

    So the moral of the story is? TV, movie, and video producers - get your asses together and make your products available to anyone and everyone in the world at the same price simultaneously (within a week of each other), or quit your bitching. It ain't piracy if it ain't available in the first place. And if you don't want to put money into a translation, give people some way to add independent subs/dubs to it.

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    ---If you can't trust a nerd, who can you trust?

  14. Using Slashdot as a source... by raindog2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always wondered how reporters were able to canvass for hackers in this kind of story; it's hard to imagine them hanging out on IRC channels asking for interviews without getting /kicked pretty fast.

    But I got an email from the author of this Time article a few weeks back after I mentioned getting all of B5:Crusade on two CD's in a /. post. It went to one of my spam-catcher addresses so I didn't see it until much later. I was surprised, though, as the story seemed pretty balanced considering it appeared in an AOLTW property. And it probably reads better with a guy like "Necratog" editing out commercials in vdub rather than some schmuck from Albany, New York ;)

    From: anita_hamilton@[no, I'm not that cruel]
    To: webmaster@kudla.org
    Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 23:40:35 -0500
    Subject: TIME Magazine Interview request

    Hi Rob,

    I noticed that you posted a message on Slashdot about how you were able
    to save Babylon 5 shows, convert them to digital, edit out the
    commericals, and burn them onto CDs. Well, it turns out that I too am
    writing a story about this topic and wondered if you could tell me more
    about how you did it and how easy it was.
    Would you be interested in talking on the phone for a few minutes about
    it? If so, I wondered if we could talk sometime Friday or Saturday. It
    should take less than 15 minutes total.

    If you are interested, please let me know when is a god time for me to
    give you a call.

    Thanks for considering this,

    Anita Hamilton
    Staff Writer
    TIME Magazine
    212/[xxx-xxxx]

  15. Creative Business Models by FreeUser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A simple solution would be for the TV Network's to make the shows avaliable (with adds) on a bunch of fast servers.

    Absolutely right.

    The reason the Copyright Cartels (specifically the Television, Movie, and Recording industries) are running scared is because none of their current leadership has any skills at running a business in anything other than a coercive, cartel form.

    Alternatives do exist, but they either don't have the imagination to explore them, or are so addicted to their own coercive power that they would rather destroy the most promising, democratizing and empowering technology to emerge in the last 100 years, the Internet, and our constitutional rights to free expression, rather than change their business models.

    What business model(s) would work, you ask? For television (and, for that matter, movies) offering commercia laden television programs for free, exactly as they do now. Only, except requiring cable providors or broadcast stations to disseminate their product, they can do so via the internet (and without middlemen).

    Offer the same content for a nominal fee (say $1.00, or 1 Euro) without any commercial content.

    Mark each downloaded copy with registration information (the user's name and IP address they downloaded to). That is all the copy protection that is required, and it works beautifully (if not perfectly) in the digital world of software. People are much more reluctant to share illegal copies of software that are marked with their identity in some fashion than they are anonymous products (such as clean rips from a firewire port).

    None of this is perfect, but it is very workable and people would eat it up. Their revinues would, if anything, increase over time.

    Similar approaches could be used by the recording industry, if they were intelligent enough to get their heads out of their asses and stop persuing copy prevention schemes which have been demonstrated both empirically and mathematically to NOT work, and instead embed the purchaser's name and/or ip in the audio stream itself.

    Unfortunately this requires imagination, flexibility, and both business and technical savvy, something that is woefully lacking at the upper levels of the copyright cartels. They would rather simply purchase laws from our cheaply sold congress, and shred the constitution in the process.

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    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  16. What people want.. by nolife · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do not underestimate the power of the people. The bottom lines is, when people want something, they will find it or create a method to get it in the form they want it in. With or without the so called innovation of the big players. MP3 and TV episode swapping are two perfect examples. I feel the big corporations and media giants are too far away from the public and fighting a loosing battle. They want to control what you watch and when you watch it. Much to thier dismay, this is not what the people want!! No amount of marketing and manipulation can change that. How many pay for play, streaming this and that business models are going to fail before they wake up? With the distibution snafu they created for media, how are they going to overcome the overhead to distribute and control on demand media at a cost that people will be willing to pay for it?

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    Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.