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CDN Supreme Court Upholds 'Net Free Speech

Gryphon writes: "The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that a citizen has the right to express dissatifaction with the products or services of a company; in this case, an insurance company. This raises some interesting questions: does this extend to posting benchmarks of computer applications? Dissatisfaction with application security holes? Strike one for the little guy in Canada -- and maybe move here if you want to avoid the DMCA? ;)"

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  1. the DMCA and dissatisfaction by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 2, Informative
    and maybe move here if you want to avoid the DMCA? ;)
    The DMCA aims to prevent people from pirating proprietary information. Why this person thinks criticism of a company relates to that is a mystery to me. In the United States, the First Amendment allows us the freedom of the press, meaning we can say what we want about things, as long as it doesn't distort information (i.e. libel and slander, which spreads _false_ information).

    The DMCA goes about preventing piracy in a very intrusive way, and I donate frequently to the Free Software Foundation, but it has no provisions that I know of preventing criticism of a product or service.
  2. DMCA is coming here too by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...or at least the equivalent of it. See the copyright reform process at Heretige Canada website for more details, although the deadline for comments has already expired. (700 were posted!)

    1. Re:DMCA is coming here too by SubtleNuance · · Score: 3, Informative

      The DMCA (or "H.R. 2281, WIPO Copyright Treaties Implementation Act" is coming EVERYWHERE(!)

      See here.

      the DMCA is not the simple invention of plutocratic Americans - it has been snuck into more than 30 countries.

      Also see: here

  3. Re:Copycat? by dadragon · · Score: 2, Informative

    They are protected in our constitution too, the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This case is pretty much shooting down an unconstitutional bylaw of a city in Quebec.

    This is not precident to establish free speech in Canada, it's just reaffirming it.

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  4. Similar to US case, about local regulations by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 5, Informative
    This sounds very similar to the 1994 US Supreme Court ruling:

    City Of Ladue et al. v. Gilleo

    An ordinance of petitioner City of Ladue bans all residential signs but those falling within one of ten exemptions, for the principal purpose of minimizing the visual clutter associated with such signs. Respondent Gilleo filed this action, alleging that the ordinance violated her right to free speech by prohibiting her from displaying a sign stating, "For Peace in the Gulf," from her home. The District Court found the ordinance unconstitutional, and the Court of Appeals affirmed, holding that the ordinance was a "content based" regulation, and that Ladue's substantial interests in enacting it were not sufficiently compelling to support such a restriction.

    Held: The ordinance violates a Ladue resident's right to free speech. Pp. 4-16.

    But I doubt it'll help with the DMCA ...

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  5. Canada and the DMCA by schon · · Score: 4, Informative
    Canada's copyright board is still "discussing" DMCA-like legislation here.

    In the month of March and April, there are going to be public forums held in some Canadian cities, to discuss the papers submitted to the copyright board on this topic.

    To quote the email I received:

    These full day consultation sessions will be
    held in the following cities on the following dates:

    * Halifax on March 8, 2002;
    * Vancouver on March 15, 2002;
    * Montreal on March 21, 2002;
    * Toronto on March 26, 2002;
    * Ottawa on April 11, 2002.


    As I'm a good 20 hour drive from the closest of these, I probably won't be able to attend - but I urge any /.er in the vicinity to make plans for it. They haven't sent me any information on exactly where the forums will take place (they said they will be sending a formal invitation soon) but as soon as I do, I'll try to post it here for interested parties.
  6. Time, Manner, Place by coyote-san · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the US, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech but most jurisdictions have restrictions based on "time, manner and place" without conflict. As long as meaningful speech is still permitted, these restrictions are usually upheld.

    Two examples: Boulder, Colorado bans large outdoor billboards. (It also bans new construction taller than a "mature cottonwood tree" - 55 ft - and has other non-speech related restrictions.) The purpose is to protect the mountain view. It's been challenged, e.g., by the "National Debt Clock," but since smaller signs are still legal and legible at normal city highway speeds, the ban was upheld.

    Second example: after people picked an abortion doctor's home residence in unincorporated Littleton, Colorado (IIRC) for years, the county agreed to restrictions at the request of neighbors. Pickets are still permitted, but the total area of the signs must be modest (under 3 square feet?) and they must walk at least 100 years before turning around. This was challenged, but since picketing was still permitted and the restrictions served a legitimate need (the pickets had become traffic hazards by clustering with large signs) the restrictions were upheld.

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  7. Re:It's offline free speech, actually. by bareminimum · · Score: 5, Informative

    It doesn't really matter. This decision clearly states that by enforcing laws the government cannot prevent people from demonstrating their dissatisfaction towards a company's services (or lack thereof).

    Here is the link to the full decision. There is a convenient short version in the first few pages. Have a read.

  8. The full text of the decision by darkonc · · Score: 5, Informative
    The Supreme Court of Canada home page has the full text in the Recent decisions section under the name R. v. Guignard (html, text and WordPerfect6.1 formats). (It's also, of course, available in French)

    In a few months or so, it'll be moved into their by-volume section..

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  9. Re:But by freeweed · · Score: 3, Informative
    Actually, I think the whole thing is a load of crap, but it's quite hilarious to see the South Park joke when they do it. What most americans don't realize is that the 'american english accent' or whatever you want to call it, that's portrayed in movies, tv, you name it (and of course excluding heavily accented speech like New Yorkers or Bostonians), is actually very much like Canadian English.

    2 things here: one, hollywood has a TON of Canadians in the business - tell me you've ever heard Micheal J. Fox say 'aboot' and I'll eat my hat.

    Secondly, most of what americans think is the 'Canadian' accent is actually only spoken in the Atlantic provinces. Newfoundlanders have a very distinct dialect and pronunciation from anyone else in Canada, for example. There's also a milder form of this which is prevalent in Toronto, and of course that's where the majority of Canadian/american contact happens.

    I'll tell you one thing though - I've lived in Canada my entire life, and we sound a lot closer to american TV and movie personalities than almost anyone from the US (ever been to North Dakota?).

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  10. Re:There should be a law... by javacowboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well Quebec (as well as Louisiana) is the only juridiction in North America that uses the Civil Code system of justice, instead of Common Law, which is what everybody else on this continent uses.

    In Quebec, as well as other Civil Code jurisdictions throughout Europe, laws are codified, and there's very little room for interpretation.

    Common Law justice systems allow people to interpret judgements according to legal precedent, such as, for example, the Roe vs. Wade abortion case.

    I'm not advocating either system over the other, just sharing my thoughts.

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