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California Considering Recycling Fees on PCs

Jeff writes: "It looks like two US senators are introducing bills that would impose recycling fees on new computer systems sold. These bills look to cover every high-tech product a consumer might buy, including computer and video monitors, desktop and notebook PCs, and handheld gadgets."

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  1. Donations and Recycling Programs by Styros · · Score: 5, Informative

    PEP National Directory of Computer Recycling Programs

    You can go there to see what options you have on recycling computer parts in your area.

  2. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  3. Re:lucky for me.. by BradleyUffner · · Score: 5, Informative
    "Charities, schools, and third world countries would love to receive computers"
    Before the current job I have now I used to work for a school district. I can tell you that we absolutely hated receiving donated computers from people. We ended up with rooms fill of 8088s and 386 with no hard drives. 99% of all computers we received that way were totally worthless, and just given to the school so that the owner could receive a tax break. This was last year too, I believe the best computer we got the whole year was a 233mhz Pentium. We spent more time, and money trying to get old donated computers working again, or just trying to find SOME use for them. Public Schools (at least where I'm at) are not allowed to just give the computers away to students who need them. They must be used by the school, or sold at auction. We couldn't even just throw them out because of the state's insane school inventory tracking system.
  4. Re:Recycling Fees by Archanagor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't go on forever throwing things in landfill, your country will fill up. Just like you can't burn too much oil and expect the environment not to turn on you...

    Hm. I have a couple points about this statement I would like to make:

    1. I'm not against recycling. It's a good thing in my opnion, but I do not want some big-brother government entity charging me a tax on everything I buy so I can recycle it.

    2. I think someone has said it before, but I'll go ahead and say it again. There's a thing called conservation of matter. Sure, stuff gets shifted around alot, but the "stuff" remains the same amount. Filling up a landfill? How about dumping garbage into that stip-mine, quarry, etc...? Yes. It would fill it up. But it was filled with something to begin with.

    All we're doing is shifting matter aound this earth and/or recombining it and dropping it off elsewhere. True, sometimes we recombine the stuff here into things that are toxic to us and everything else that lives here. But it's all from the same stuff.

  5. Re:Why oh why can't they do things right. by caesar-auf-nihil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its not quite as difficult as you think to recycle electronic equipment, although there are some difficulties.
    In Europe, the law around electronic equipment works as follows. The company that produces the equipment is responsible for its care, use, and disposal before the sale and AFTER the consumer is done with it. While the consumer owns it, its their responsiblity. But when the consumer is done with it, it goes back to the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM). The OEM then disassembles the equipment, and recycles what it can. If the plastic can be reground and reprocessed, that is done. Glass (where possible) is melted down, all metal components are melted down as well (or reused for the same model or other model electronic equipment. Screws, bolts and brackets for example). Difficult items to recycle include circuit boards (epoxy plastic, metal (some of it toxic), silicon and semiconductors), cathode ray tubes, and sometimes the plastic.

    What the European OEMs try to do is reuse what they can and incenerate the rest. If the plastic cannot be reused (off color, decomposed), they'll just burn it up and recycle the energy gained from combustion. However, materials that don't burn (semiconductors, silicon, etc.) are left as slag in the incenerator, and also are concentrated in toxic elements which can leach into ground water. How to deal with this waste is currently a big sticking point for the recyling of electronics waste. There are some refining techniques that one can use to separate out the elements in this inorganic "slag", but, they're quite expensive, and, there currently is no desire/regulations in place to reuse this slag material. Electronic circuit board OEMs and chip OEMs don't want to use material from this slag for fear of contamination may ruin finely tuned electronic properties, which are often affected by minute impurities. Part of the reuse taxes that EU citizens pay goes towards research to solve this issue, and set up an infrastructure to get the whole recyling system to work.

    There are systems in place to get this to work, so you just have to give them time to catch up and get fully implimented. It took 10+ years to get PET and HDPE (#1 and #2 plastic) to the level where it was widely implimented and cost effective. Electronics recycling has probably only been going on for 3 years now, so give it time.

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  6. Re:Recycling Fees by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There's a thing called conservation of matter. Sure, stuff gets shifted around alot, but the "stuff" remains the same amount. Filling up a landfill? How about dumping garbage into that stip-mine, quarry, etc...?
    The process that makes this stuff hazardous is called, I believe, a "chemical reaction".

    This is where atoms and molecules -- which existed beforehand -- are combined under circumstances where they change their molecular properties. After having done this, the molecules have different properties: these properties are often advantageous to some process. However, in a different context (e.g., as waste) these properties may in fact be harmful.

    And, moreso, the concentrations of material may provide hazards because it overwhelms the environment's ability to tolerate normal levels -- the material being concentrated because someone went to great effort to extract the material from deep in the earth where it was previously harmless, dilluted, and/or in a chemically more neutral state.

    I don't know what kind of science you were smoking, but this stuff should be junior high level material.