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NuSphere vs. MySQL AB Hearing
An anonymous submitter sent in: "The hearing is over, and Adam Kessel posted a report about what happened in the court room. The judge is probably not going to issue a temp. injunction against NuSphere on the GPL violation, but probably WILL issue an injunction on trademark issues." Politech has another report on the hearing.
kiss my ass!
"Contrary to popular belief, UNIX is user friendly. It just happens to be selective on who it makes friendship with"
I would like to dedicate this first post to the utter destruction of all muslims and leftists.
Q: How do you kill a muslim?
A: Slam the toilet seat over his head when he is getting a drink!
Fuck you, fuck linux, and fuck open source. Microsoft Windows XP owns your bitch-asses.
Alice In Chains - Nutshell
We chase misprinted lies
We face the path of time
And yet I fight
And yet I fight
This battle all alone
No one to cry to
No place to call home
Oooh...Oooh...
Oooh...Oooh...
My gift of self is raped
My privacy is raked
And yet I find
And yet I find
Repeating in my head
If I can't be my own
I'd feel better dead
Oooh...Oooh...
Oooh...Oooh...
Nyah Nyah... :P
another missed post, why, oh why cant i just wait 20 sec.
Some people just have too much time on their hands...
Here's some background: Boston judge to hear first test of GNU license used in MySQL and NuSphere replies to Politech post about FSF and Boston lawsuit. Looks like the GPL isn't an issue here after all -- in other words, it may just be a run-of-the-mill contract dispute between two parties.
password is linuxisgay
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Chapter 2: HE WHO SEES A WOMAN, AND HIS HEART IS AFFECTED, SHOULD COME TO HIS
WIFE, AND SHOULD HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH HER
Jabir reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) saw a woman, and
so he came to his wife, Zainab, as she was tanning a leather and had sexual
intercourse with her. He then went to his Companions and told them: The woman
advances and retires in the shape of a devil, so when one of you sees a woman,
he should come to his wife, for that will repel what he feels in his heart.
Jabir heard Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) say: When a woman fascinates
any one of you and she captivates his heart, he should go to his wife and have
an intercourse with her, for it would repel what he feels.
Chapter 9: SEEKING CONSENT OF AL-THAYYIBIN MARRIAGE IN WORDS AND OF A VIRGIN IN
(MEANINGFUL) SILENCE
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be
upon him) as having said: A woman without a husband (or divorced or a widow)
must not be married until she is consulted, and a virgin must not be married
until her permission is sought. They asked the Prophet of Allah (may peace be
upon him): How her (virgin's) consent can be solicited? He (the Holy Prophet)
said: That she keeps silence.
Chapter 10: IT IS PERMISSIBLE FOR THE FATHER TO GIVE THE HAND OF HIS DAUGHTER IN
MARRIAGE EVEN WHEN SHE IS NOT FULLY GROWN UP
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be
upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his
house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he
(the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Chapter 14: EXCELLENCE OF EXMANCIPATING A SLAVE-GIRL AND THEN MARRYING HER
Abu Musa reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said about one
who emancipated a slave woman, and then married her, that for him there are two
rewards.
Chapter 17: IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE TO MARRY A WOMAN WHO IS DIVORCED BY THREE
PRONOUNCEMENTS UNTIL SHE IS MARRIED TO ANOTHER MAN AND HE HAS A SEXUAL
INTERCOURSE WITH HER, AND THEN HE ABANDONS HER AND SHE COMPLETES HER 'IDDA
'A'Asha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: A person divorced his wife by
three pronouncements; then another person married her and he also divorced her
without having sexual intercourse with her. Then the first husband of her
intended to remarry her. It was about such a case that Allah's Messenger (may
peace be upon him) was asked, whereupon he said: No, until the second one has
tasted her sweetness as the first one had tasted.
Chapter 19: PERMISSIBILITY OF HAVING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH ONE'S WIFE FROM THE
FRONT OR FROM BEHIND AVOIDING THE ANUS
Jabir (b. Abdullah) (Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Jews used to
say that when one comes to one's wife through the vagina, but being on her back,
and she becomes pregnant, the child has a squint. So the verse came down:" Your
wives are your ti'Ith; go then unto your tilth, as you may desire."
This hadith has been reported on the authority of Jabir through another chain of
transmitters, but in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Zuhri there is
an addition (of these words):" If he likes he may (have intercourse) being on
the back or in front of her, but it should be through one opening (vagina)."
Chapter 22: AL AZL (INCOMPLETE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE): COITUS INTERRUPTUS
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id,
did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He
said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)
on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab
women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives,
(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have
sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual
organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing
an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked
Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if
you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of
Resurrection will be born.
Chapter 23: IT IS FORBIDDEN TO HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH A PREGNANT SLAVE-WOMAN
Abu Darda' (Allah be pleased with him) related from the Prophet of Allah (may
peace be upon him) that he came upon a woman who was in the advanced stage of
pregnancy at the door of a tent. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Perhaps he (the man
accompanying her) intends to cohabit with her. They said: Yes. Thereupon Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I have decided to curse him with such a
curse as may go along with him to his grave. How can he own him (the child to be
born) and that is not lawful for him, and how can he take him as a servant for
that is not lawful for him?
Chapter 24: PERMISSIBILITY OF INTERCOURSE WITH A SUCKLING LADY AND DISAPPROVAL
OF 'AZL
Judama daughter of Wahb, sister of Ukkasha (Allah be pleased with her).
reported: I went to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) along with some
persons and he was saying: I intended to prohibit cohabitation with the suckling
women, but I considered the Greeks and Persians, and saw that they suckle their
children and this thing (cohabitation) does not do any harm to them (to the
suckling women). Then they asked him about 'azl, whereupon he said. That is the
secret (way of) burying alive, and Ubaidullah has made this addition in the
hadith transmitted by al-Muqri and that is:" When the one buried alive is
asked."
Chapter 27: ONE SUCKLING OR TWO DO NOT MAKE MARRIAGE UNLAWFUL
Umm al-Fadl reported: A bedouin came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him)
when he was in my house and said: Allah's Apostle, I have had a wife and I
married another besides her, and my first wife claimed that she had suckled once
or twice my newly married wife, thereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon
him) said: One suckling or two do not make the (marriage) unlawful.
Chapter 28: SUCKLING OF A YOUNG (BOY)
' A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to
Allah's Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on
the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an
ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said:
Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a
young man 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in
the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.
Chapter 29: IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN
AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER
MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE
The goatse guy for president. Win one for the gaper!
Also the judge didn't want to get into the technicalities as they were way beyond her at this point.
MySQL wins on the trademark count (for now at least), but the motion on the GPL violation is being pushed to August.
All bow to his Noodliness!! His Noodle Appendage has touched me!
This account has been hijacked by the one and only Ralph JewHater Nader! Death to all kikes!
Add me to your friends list!
STOP ME BEFORE I POST AGAIN!
MS SqlSever is much better!
Rosie O'Donnell: Proof that fags are ruining America.
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Sincerely,
Anonymous Coward
From the annals of the Troll Library .
probably because linux sucks.
yum yum yummy goat sex with the michael and the goats and the awwwwww yeahhhhh....
See subject.
Thought a link to the actual GPL might be helpful. Here it is. My (limited) understanding is that NuSphere released a product statically linked to MySQL, but did not release the software under GPL and therefore violated GPL.
Jesus
_________was
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a mothafuckin' men.
where be my welfare check yo?
Nusphere fixed the basic issue here; they no longer distribute without source code.
MySQLs actions make little sense, they are acting like spoiled children who didn't get their way. (Incomprehensible to me; I think an ego clash occured)
MySQL can't claim damages with regard to the GPL because there aren't any. If you look at the information released the other day you'll note near the end (EFF statement) That Nusphere fixed the problem; That EFF encourages compliance, not court action; and the short acknolwedgement that they believe Nusphere violated the license.
You would note near the beginning they state the purpose of the GPL and their general intent to reach a compliance.
Just admit you're the WIPO troll already, S.T.
IMO, this is a very nasty detail that's left hanging in the license, and should be fixed in the next version. If nothing else, the license should explicitly say that you lose all rights to use the software "until you are granted explicit permission, in writing, by the original author", or something similar.
I like that part about how everyone should sign their code over to the FSF so that it could be defended by an organization with money. Is this their only purpose of existence? Beware of your friends when lots of money is involved.
It seems there is a desperate need for some tech savvy judges. Perhaps a "Court of Technology" should be established.
The current system seems kinda like slashdotters passing judgement on the latest fashions from Paris.
* * Always question "the National Interest" - 9 times out of 10 it is a cover for evil
Way to keep slappin' dick on these bitches, nig. Christ was killed because suckas couldn't handle his mad flows.
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The judge seemed to weigh that putting NuSphere out of business was a big deal in the "balance of harms" and didn't see clearly what the "irreperable injury" the other way was. As Jack Valenti would say, if Nusphere has based their business model on piracy, then they should be imprisoned, not just slapped with an injunction.
The GPL is not a gift. It is a barter offer: I allow certain carefully constrained uses of my IP and in return you offer any intellectual property you create some as a result of my good will back to "the pot". In software development, time is a critical element: if one competitor can benefit from the IP of the other and mix in its own IP without disclosure, then the cheater has gained an unfair advantage. If its cheating is part of a business venture, then its entire profit stream is usurped from the good faith party as a direct result of its bad faith dealings.
For this reason the GPL essentially says "if you ever cheat, you get the death penalty". Without this clause, freeloaders could perpetually use gamesmanship and delaying tactics to obtain competitive advantage in the bartering of "hot" IP. To assure that bad faith cannot usurp the original author's valuable IP contributions, the GPL revokes all rights for the smallest infraction in order to assure that any "negotiation" will occur with the position of strength emphatically given to the original author.
The irreparable harm inflicted by not issuing an injunction is that NuSphere can continue to profit from a business model that is based on outright theft of intellectual property. The moment they were notified of GPL noncompliance, section 4 of the GPL revoked their licence. They are distributing and indeed modifying a copyrighted work in direct defiance of the authority of the copyright holder with the intent to profit. That is not only irreperable harm, it is stealing, and it is CRIMINAL if it is done willfully (17 USC 504).
The GPL is a distribution license; it gives the licensee rights that they would normally not have, namely to distribute the code. By violating the GPL, NuSphere lost these rights, and until the copyright owner decides to give it to them again, they cannot distribute the code. This is the main argument, and it's validity may be decided by the court case.
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(1) NuSphere probably figured they could probably violate the GPL and MySQL would not have the resources to sue them. This is probably true of most free software developers who have not assigned their copyrights to the FSF. After watching this hearing, it seems to me imperative that developers assign their copyrights to some party that will have the resources to enforce it (whether the FSF or some other organization). These violations can only become more common as GPL software becomes more powerful and widespread, and it is quite expensive to litigate against them.
Uh, say what? Does he mean that the FSF has no legal right to assist another party monetarily in courst unless the FSF has the assigned copyright? I somehow don't think legal rules are that restrictive. I read that as, "if you don't give your code to us (the "free" world)", we don't care spit about you if someone hijacks it, GPL or no."
Please tell me I missed something here...
The Beatles - With a Little Help from My Friends
(McCartney/Lennon)
Recorded: March 29-30, 1967, Abbey Road Studios, London
Length: 2:44
Discography:
- Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
- The Beatles/1967-1970 (The Blue Album)
- Yellow Submarine Songtrack
What would you think if I sang out of tune,
would you stand up and walk out on me?
Lend me your ears and I'll sing you a song,
and I'll try not to sing out of key.
Oh, I get by with a little help from my friends.
Mm, I get high with a little help from my friends.
Mm, gonna try with a little help from my friends.
What do I do when my love is away?
(Does it worry you to be alone?)
How do I feel by the end of the day?
(Are you sad because you're on your own?)
No, I get by with a little help from my friends.
Mm, I get high with a little help from my friends.
Mm, gonna try with a little help from my friends.
Do you need anybody?
I need somebody to love.
Could it be anybody?
I want somebody to love.
Would you believe in a love at first sight?
Yes, I'm certain that it happens all the time.
What do you see when you turn out the light?
I can't tell you but I know it's mine.
Oh, I get by with a little help from my friends.
Mm, I get high with a little help from my friends.
Mm, gonna try with a little help from my friends.
Do you need anybody?
I just need someone to love.
Could it be anybody?
I want somebody to love.
Oh, I get by with a little help from my friends.
Mm, I get high with a little help from my friends.
Mm, gonna try with a little help from my friends.
...with a little help from my friends.
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I'm a bit vague now on GPL and LGPL for static vs dynamic linking. Let me note that NuSphere makes themselves sound crooked when they claim that a mail client connecting to a GPL'd mail server would be polluted. That's absurd.
So, I've always gathered that the LGPL exists to permit a program to link to libraries - but my impression was that the LGPL was phrased such that code could statically link to it -- such that the result would be a single executable, and that even under the GPL, it was legally permissible to write code that would rely upon a dynamically loaded library. Can someone confirm this is the case? IE, you could write a program which required that a person have libmysqlclient.so* installed for dynamic loading and that program could be closed source, but you could NOT produce an executable which statically linked that into the executable unless libmysqlclient.so was distributed under the LGPL (which, of course, it is not).
Kessel is exactly right: you cannot sue on someone else's behalf. So FSF cannot, for example, sue NuSphere on MySQL AB's behalf. (They can, however, testify as an expert witness). That is the reason FSF requests the assignment of copyright, contrary to what certain trolls claim.
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
NuSphere is purposefully trying to confuse the issue with their code linking argument. The copyright in source code is completely separate from the copyright in object code. That is old hat.
Even if the source code is not "integrated", when the result of compiling is an indivisible executable object code, the result is a derivitive work. If I write a library and you use it, the resulting object code is a derivitive of both source files. The GPL specifically mentions and includes this case. The LGPL is offered as an alternative when the harsh consequences of the GPL are not what the author desires. End of story.
Which doesn't mean that "assign all your copyrights to the FSF" is a good thing; just that they aren't trying to obtain ownership of everything, they have reason for saying that.
Add this to the troll library under *Genetics*
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Despite Nusphere's comment, the point is that it is *not* about linking (perhaps Nusphere where trying to cloud the issue).
Nusphere lost the right to redistibute MySQL because they made a modified version without the source code for that version being available: "Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License."
The MySQL authors therefore have the right to stop Nusphere redistributing their software.
MySQL AB undoubtedly have their own reasons for being so stiff necked.
Yes, but dynamic lining does NOT produce indivisible executable object code. I understand that NuSphere was statically linking, so they're in the wrong undoubtedly. But the point I'm raising is that you can dynamically load a shared object (ie, libmysqlclient.so), from a proprietary piece of software, without running afoul of the GPL.
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All your source -> your executable
All GPL source -> GPL shared library
When your executable runs, it then loads the GPL shared library in order to have access to the required object code. If it doesn't find it, it has unresolved symbols and craps out. It is, therefore, clearly dependant upon that shared library, but it is, by the same token, clearly NOT a derivative work, since 'your executable' is derived without any GPL source code.
The static executable under GPL is a clear cut violation. But that leaves static binaries under the LGPL (I'm unsure), the dynamic under the GPL (unsure, think legal), and dynamic under the LGPL (must be legal -- hell, what would the LGPL be good for if it wasn't?
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It might be a good idea to add a little bit to the GPL regarding the "death penalty" provision.
Specifically, I would propose that use of GPL software be conditioned on legal stipulation of the proposition that continued violation of the terms of the GPL after notification is "irreparable injury" because it is theft of intellectual property.
Similarly, you should have to stipulate that the "balance of harms" of a violation is completely in favor of the author, and that this applies regardless of any business interest that exists as a result of the exploitation of the licence. The author offered a zero-cost good faith licence to use and extend their IP subject only to the condition that IP extentions be returned to the commons on demand. In many cases the GPL'ing author makes this deal believing that it will produce more value than retaining tight proprietary interest and selling the software for its market value. If someone else builds a business by skirting the extremely minimal requirements of the IP barter arrangement, then any revenue stream that results should be viewed by stipulation of the licence as being misappropriated and unjustly earned. Indeed pirated or stolen.
Thirdly, I would propose that the section 4 "death penalty" provision be made substantially more blunt. In particular, a "take down" process should be invoked (somewhat like the DMCA provision) that says if you recieve a letter of noncompliance from an author that your rights cannot be restored other than by a written order of the author, an arbitrator (see below), or a judge. Some people have noted that if you receive another copy that the licence can be read to re-grant a new and separate licence. All such weasle room should be removed by stating that this doesn't apply if you're licence was revoked for noncompliance.
Fourthly, I would propose that the licence should designate that any disputes be settled by arbitration by the FSF or by the EFF if the FSF is a party with the loser to bear all reasonable costs incurred by both sides.
If all of these contributors assign to the FSF the copyrights on their respective portions of the project, then it is much easier for the case to proceed, since there is just one plaintiff, and no nitpicking over who owns what part.
So I don't think that the FSF will refuse to help you if you don't assign them your copyright; it just makes the proceedings much simpler if you do.
Rape victim must marry rapist (and rapist pays her father some money).
Deuteronomy 22:28
Soldiers are allowed to marry and engage in forced intercourse with female captives (maybe you shouldn't send the Bible w/ your son when he goes off to war).
Deuteronomy 21:10-14
Lot offers his daughters to be gang-raped by a mob.
Genesis 19
There was no punishment for Lot's abhorrent act. In fact, God sent two angels to save Lot from the upcoming destruction of his city right after the above incident.
Genesis 19:15
Sadistic ritual a wife is supposed to endure if her husband is 'jealous' or suspects adultery. The ritual is performed by a priest and is supposed to induce an abortion.
Numbers 5:11-29
If a husband questions the virginity of his wife, she is to be examined before the elders of the city.
Deueteronomy 22:13-
Murder your own family and friends if any one of them attempts to persuade you to abandon Christianity.
Deuteronomy13
God commands the murder of innocent infants.
I Samuel 15:3
Murder your own son...if he's rebellious.
Deuteronomy 21:18
God commands excecution of man for gathering wood during the Sabbath.
Numbers 15:32
God commands murder for working on the Sabbath.
Exodus 35:2
God commands death if you curse at your parents.
Exodus 21:17 and Leviticus 20:9
God commands death for cursing the lord.
Leviticus 24:16
God commands death for a stranger entering a temple.
Numbers 1:51, 3:10, 18:10
Burn to death any daughter of a priest who sells her body.
Leviticus 21:9
God commands murder for speaking to the dead.
Leviticus 20:27
Murder is the sentence for practicing any other religion.
Deuteronomy 13 and Numbers 25
God kills Lot's wife for being curious.
Genesis 19:24
At God's command, men, women, and children are mercilessly slaughtered.
Deuteronomy 2:34
Death Sentence for being rude to strangers.
Matthew 10:14-15 and Luke 10:7
God commands murder for those who lied about church donations.
Acts 5:1-11
God threatens to 'rip pregnant women open and dash little ones to pieces' for disobedience.
Hosea 13:16
Remember all those women who were accused of witchcraft and burned alive? You'll find God's command for it right here.
Exodus 22:18
A Virgin who has intercourse before marriage? Stone her to death!
Deuteronomy 20 and 22:13-21
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The author(s) could also assign their rights, after the fact to the FSF or anyone else.
But this brings up another point. If you assign all your rights to the FSF, you wouldn't have the right to then sell your code to some commercial entity (sans any added GPL additions) because you wouldn't have any rights other than those granted under the GPL.
Would it be possible to grant just the GPL portion of your rights to the FSF, and retain the original rights, so you could take your original code private/commercial/closed. (I don't know much about assigning rights to the FSF, so it might be that this is how it works now, but I suspect not...)
This might make it unadviseable to assign rights to the FSF if you might want to exercise your right to close or commercialize your software. Again, I do understand that you couldn't take the resulting GPL code with other's changes and close it. But you could with the original.
Just some thoughts...
Cheers!
First you get the Australians, New Zealanders and people from the American West Coast.
Then you get Australians, New Zealanders and Europeans.
That's followed by total European domination, until the American East Coast wakes up.
I see strong supporters of GPL/L-GPL liscensing jumping on the idea that programmers are protected. What about entire groups of programmers, as the case is here? It's not just John & Jimmy Doe versus Joe Schmoe from XYZ company.
/usr/local/bcast2000/bcast nukes their production box and months work is lost?
"...thus likely that she will not actually address the terms of the GPL itself in her decision, which is a good thing, since there was so little expert testimony about it..."
It's as if open-source software is destined to transcend limits of a hobbyists project and mutate into a corporate-sponsored system. Programmers fill a need with MySQL. Pretty soon, it is MySQL that fills needs within other corporations. Broadcast 2000 video editing software from Heroinewarrior.com was the best bet going. It worked, cost no bones, and featured GPL liscensing. Soon enough, dot bombs pop up and Bcast2k is pulled because of liability concerns. Corporation Soon2be Inc., need video editing and fills that need with Broadcast 2000. Who's liable if a setuid/gid root
it's looking scary for hackers who share their toys and get organized / sponsored. pitch your product to company Soon2be Inc., and when they merge with Around4Ever Corp., watch yer back.
SIGERR: laziness exceeds quota
Mr. Rumsfeld! How many times do we have to tell you NOT to post from your office?!
Why do we always see geeks filing suit against each other? I just don't get it. The only ones who profit are the lawyers. Couldn't this be settled better with a good old fashioned flame war?
Lying 101:
First off, make sure you're white... it makes it much easier to justify why you're such a cracker.
Second, it takes lots of practice to make a really solid lie, so if you want a good lie, you'll need to work on your excuses... which kind of defeats the purpose so f%4k it.
Third, be a complete dick about everything... never justify lying, it takes too much energy.
If you ever wake up and think to yourself that life is perfect, it's possibly not for somebody else, so watch your ass... which of course is impossible if you want to lie.
If you wake up with a perfect body, lots of money, a nice car, a family, a beautiful wife/husband, an easy job that makes lots of money, you might be in for a rude awakening. Why? Once again you're living a lie. Don't ask me how it happens... all I know is that it does.
Fifth, always have a good spellchecker... if you don't you can end up looking like an idiot. This can really hurt. Little things that make you look imperfect are good targets.
Never tell the truth to the opposite sex no matter how much since it makes to do or even if they already know it. Why? The f$#king truth hurts. Then you'll be straight out of a girlfriend/boyfriend... not to mention you'll have to settle with a girl who knows the truth. What a bitch. Literally. This means for all you guys you can't tell them you're dating them for their looks and for all you women you're dating them for their money.
Putting up a "front" is "mas importante"... that's Spanish for important. So I've been told anyway.
Get really good at lying to yourself. It's the best... Never tell yourself the truth because the sh%t hurts...
For you really good liars out there, everything, and I mean everything about the truth hurts to the point of being ridiculous. Why? Because just like you liars, "truth tellers" are just like you except they have been put in a position that they are forced to "put out", so everything is tweaked for them to get the most out of it. So if you really want to get the most out of lying to someone, you must, and I repeat must, be a complete dick. Now the BEST liars do this with out consciously knowing it... thus getting more "bang for the buck" out of their lies. This is because truly could give a f%$k about anyone else. It's the best! I have to say, try it for yourself and see what I mean... it's great!
Oh... and if you get caught... Being naturally stupid really helps the situation. Why? You forget faster than average and thus get back to your main objective that much faster. It also really helps not to have a conscience also in this situation. So if you can see about finding a doctor stupid enough to get that part of your brain removed as soon as possible. If not, it could take years of training or tons and tons of time around "truth tellers" to get it finally right. Oh... you must also sometimes pretend you're a truth teller also in this situation . It's good to have "studied" the enemy. And surprisingly, there are a lot of them. Also, if you are not stupid, but your opponent thinks you are, use that to your advantage, it works great! I hope I'm not boring you more intelligent people with this rudimentary knowledge. See how I just played to your ego? It works perfectly with those who, deep down, know they are God, and everybody else is simply crazy. Wow!
Go to Church or Temple or whatever it is you're supposed to do... you'll hit "pay-dirt" with tons of idiots practicing stuff like "self-sacrifice". If you find one of those guys, you're SFL baby!
Being around massive quantities of women always helps your chances as well. They naturally excel as liars. The evidence is in asking them... they'll say no! Don't worry if you did not catch on to the last part...
Being in numbers also helps... sometimes you'll be in the midst of a liar So good that he can say a lie that will cover you at the same time... now that's a bonus!!! Just pretend you're with them... you might not want to tell them that you've said this though or they might call you out of it... after all, they're lying also.
Make sure you have plenty of money... for where your lies fail, your money will smooth things over... it's really a necessity.
Also, competition in lying... there is tons once people figure out the need to lie. If you find yourself in the midst of a better liar, sometimes it can be tough to keep your spirits up... but do! You see, you can learn from their lies, and then get better at them yourself! Sometimes you can get the "hang" out of a particular lie without taking tons and tons of time to learn it (like that person might have), so you in essence, steal their lies! It's really great!
Getting back to that Church thing... If you go to Church you can learn about miracles and thus blame all your really bad lies on the fact that they were part of a bigger plan. It works perfectly. At least it works good for me. Remember, "Everything happens for a reason!" I can't tell you how good this one works! First off for those stupid enough to believe it, they fall for it almost every time as long as you don't use it back to back, and for those who know better, they're so pissed at how you judged their intellect, they'll be stunned! (but only for a few seconds, so be quick to come up with something to take their mind off it and distract them from the fact your playing them)
Make sure you have plenty of excuses. The best excuses look self-evident. For example, walk into work with a fake broke leg. You get the point.
Situational Lying: This is where it gets advanced. Any given situation can turn into a "lie detector test". Make sure you can either bully your way out if caught, or you can put your lie out quick enough as the truth. Being naturally paranoid helps this situation as well. Remember that people conspire behind your back so always have a good lie ready. Furthermore, the more conspiracies you're in on, the better. They show what situations work best, given the strategy. If you suspect yourself the victim of a conspiracy, this is when your true lying skills really come into play the most. If you can't find your way out quickly, it's best to become part of your own conspiracy. This will confuse the stupider of your enemies and will give you time to get out scot-free. Remember, the deeper your lie the higher the probability you'll get caught. So start off small. (Just like weight training)
If you get caught: Keep your enemy happy. Distraction is key... especially if they have drugs to tell you the truth or a lie detector. It's survival of the best liar. Women once again have the best advantage here. They use sex as... and get this: weapon, I dare say AND a means to get out. Almost unbeatable, really. This is the very driver of most men's existence and so it works almost %100 percent of the time! Joy. This is proven by the small amount of women that make it into prison and very few are killed. Smart men know to use a woman as a means of defense, hence the phrase: "Take my wife, please!" If a woman catches you in a lie, tell them you learned it from them and then proceed to get very juvenile or senile. Then tell them they should be proud to know such a liar. (Remember, if you're a woman you should work on your looks more than your lie as it will help you facilitate any of the fore mentioned situations... you might find yourself at the command of your victim!!!)
Being physically fit can also help your lying in that it will keep you from getting caught. Also, people tend to be less harsh on these types of liars since they have a weapon.
Extremely advanced lying: Once again, I can't tell you how much material I have given you is true. After all, I myself am a liar and when in full practice I'm very deadly if I do say so myself. It is true possibly that my lying behavior has become too much of a "component" of my personality in that it affects everything I do, including this paper. Furthermore, a lot my lies are still "in the works", so some of this advice might work out your particular situation.... All I can say is if it's true, that's too bad for you. Also, remember the expiration date on the milk carton... you have to change up your lies in order to keep your lying a tool for survival.
Some of the consequences of lying: First and foremost is Hell. A mere possibility, but watch your back! Second, mental behavior facilities... believe you me, you don't want to end up there. So, if you have already started lying, watch your back because the people who work in these places tend to be liars themselves and love to play with their victim's minds and anything else that comes to light. What's worse is you become a victim of some stupid experiment. In this case you should behave as if you're the victim of a conspiracy, (but don't tell anyone). Experiments tend to behave exactly the same as conspiracies. Remember... once you've started lying, there's really no going back. This is proven once you tell somebody that you've lied to them. They will not treat you as an equal anymore and you will have lost all respect for you. (and in most cases, they'll let you know it... if they are smart anyway.) You can lose your job, your family, your life, and your money. Your entire life will be watched and analyzed, thus becoming part of some crazy freak show that people can look at, poke fun at, and feel generally better about themselves due to your getting caught. Wow! Suddenly you've made other people friends and have them come together as a click all due to your stupidity! And believe you me, clicks can hurt if you're not "in".
Some benefits of lying: Monetary growth. There's a lot of money to be made of being the best liar. Just look at the movie industry! Millions of dollars on what people have made up and at best a bunch of half-truths to keep you happy. Remember "fake it to you make it!" Women! Women love a good liar. (Actually, women fall in love with a good liar only to be disappointed... I can't tell you how many times I've been personally a disappointment.) Being a good liar is a sign of true stability in your life. I can't tell you how may women I've got simply by being a good liar! A happy outlook on life. Once you're convinced you've made a lie big enough. To fool everybody you need to, you can relax and laugh at all the suckers you've made!
Remember, right or wrong, people love to abuse other people. They'll even accuse you of abusing so they can further abuse you! It can get confusing so use every spare moment to "keep score". This is justification for lying enough! People will hit you for cursing! Does that help their outlook from your perspective? No! I've seen people really get an ass-kick from this situation. Remember, win people over with your money, looks and other seemingly quality aspects. When in a bad situation, always have dirt on somebody. This goes out of the bounds of being just a liar, but it's a great defense, so it would be selfish not to share it with you. It's a great defense. Just talk about their problems and you've got instant defense! This defense works on those who are smart enough to know what you're talking about, however, remember: Size up your opponent! Otherwise, you'll end up looking stupid. This works best with a lot of people around... make a crack on them that's so funny that it causes everybody to laugh uncontrollably and you've got instant success! Once again, this goes out of the bounds of merely lying, but is an excellent defense that not only wins friends with your humor, but hurts your enemy... all at the same time! Man! Now that's a bonus! Once again, wrong or right, people love to abuse people, and I have found very little to deter this situation "naturally".
Setting up your lies: It is essential to know your victim. Not everybody works on the same level of logic. Once again, there is reality and then there is your victim's perception of reality. If your victim knows what reality is, depending on how well they have this drilled into their head is one of the dependencies of setting your lie up. The better they are prepared the worse your chances of pulling off your lie. If they don't know what reality is, or are slightly off on their personal perception, or even better, they will not accept reality for personal reasons or beliefs the better your chances.
The impact of your lies: A lie's impact tends to vary depending on the situation. Watch out! If you victimize a clever individual or you don't know what your lie will do, your lie could end up backfiring on yourself. Also, lies can cause a "chain reaction" effect. This is described somewhat in the "abuse" section above. Making lies that produce really insecure situations for your victim is one affective aspect. The more ridiculous the situation you produce, the better.
Psychological impact of lying: If you find that lying works for you, more than likely, you'll make it a part of your life. You'll find how best to incorporate it into your lifestyle and use it to make things happen for you. If you receive nothing but positive impact from lying, see how lying helps others, or become really good at it, you'll want to keep it in your life. Only massive quantities of "negative enforcers" will deter you from using it, and then, these might, in the end, be a bad thing, I don't really know, but I fear the worst. Faced with this dilemma, some people try to fight the idea of assimilating bad behavior such as lying into their lives, but come to the realization that to much of the good lifestyle hurts and subsequently fail and revert... asking themselves, "Why did they even try?" Most people move through out their day with little thought to the long run consequences of their lying or are somewhat oblivious to it. (America, what a country) This, in a way, truly defines what freedom is, and sets the standard for things such as lifestyle and behavior.
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It's very dangerous to say "original author" however. RMS (and folk) coded the license very carefully not to include such phrases, because the original author may be different than the current project leader, especially in code forks. If the code forks, it may fork to change the current leader (in disgust, or creative differences, or whatever), and you don't want the "original author" to have any more control over it.
The GNU license is open-ended in such a way that you could set your "command structure" any way you want it. By its very nature, the code/document it protects is public-domain, and no "admin power" is give to anybody.
Perhaps a time of about a year might work, but then again, anybody trying to screw over the licence like that deserves to never touch the project again. Future generations will learn to look over their licenses very carefully if they don't want to get burned.
I'm sure this will give people a message to never fuck with the GNU license, the projects it protects, and never EVER fuck with the FSF!
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I mean, which part of "There is no warranty, express or implied" do the users of Bcast2k not understand? Bcast2k is not a "pirate tool". So I say put it back!
It's clear that allowing NuSphere to continue shipping code they have been shipping for the last seven months won't, by itself, do much more harm, if any, so the GPL issue was left alone.
Trademarks are another matter -- the more and longer they are abused, the greater the harm to the owner.
When the case itself goes to court, the text of the GPL will leave the judge little choice: NuSphere's product really is a derived work, and there is lots of case law about derived works, even with software.
For some background, see my letter to LWN last year. (Scroll down to the end. Incidentally, it appears I was the first person to tell Monty about this feature of the GPL.) Evidently it took this long to establish that NuSphere just wouldn't figure out where they stand without help from a judge.
"I'm a free-software publisher who has dealt with similar license issues, even so far as bringing up concerns about the GPLv2 with Bradley Kunz and in turn, Eben Moglen."
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My appologies to Mr. Kuhn. I had met him at the open source convention in San Diego, and spoke with him about the FSF, which he is Vice President of -- the man on the street, if you will. He was extremely helpful and quite expedient in helping me with my GPL'd project and understanding license issues. (Thanks Brad - My bad!)
Anyway - I wish I had read this before I came down so soundly on MysqlAB's side: http://www.nusphere.com/misc_stuff/declarationofb
Why does the name Bruce Webster sound so familiar? He must have argued this GPL issue before?
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So, I find your assertion that the MySQL people are acting like "spoiled children" unfounded--there is more going on here. In fact, it isn't even clear to me that NuSphere fixed the problem. Even if they did, it isn't their's to fix: once they fell out of compliance with the GPL, they can't fix it--they have lost all rights to using the code.
As for the issue of reaching compliance, if anybody can violate the GPL with impunity and then just fix it up without consequences, that will simply encourage a lot of companies to do that. Open source is at a serious disadvantage here because most GPL violations are very hard to detect. It makes sense to pursue some GPL violations seriously even if the violators eventually come into compliance.
Finally, as for damages, that's bogus. Open source companies live off things like consulting and documentation. If some other company comes out with an enhanced closed source version that ends up getting used widely, the open source companies lose business. The argument isn't as simple (or simplistic) as the MPAA's "1 million people copied Rocky XVII illegally", but there are still damages. And there are damages to the public as well (although they may be harder to enforce).
While Section 4 states quite clearly that if you break the GPL (which, let's assume they did for now) then all rights to distribute under the contract you entered into with the license are revoked.
That's not the end of the story as most people seem to be professing. The real issue comes when someone from NuSphere downloads ANOTHER copy of MySQL including the source, especially if this is a newer or later version or if they obtained it from a different party. Does this new download constitute a new contract between the parties, and if so then all a GPL violater has to do is download a new version and/or download from a different source and wham - new license, new contract, all sins are forgiven.
Failing that argument, the (rather simple) alternative is to create a new and independant legal entity, assign all your IP rights to the new entity (including the trading name) and the new entity downloads a new copy of the source and is immediately in compliance with the GPL.
The real danger here is that the GPL may and probably does have a "built in automatic forgiveness" clause. If you break the GPL then it seems likely that bringing yourself into compliance and relicensing is a trivial exercise.
Note: IANAL... I did see one on TV once though... In Australia... It was a British show... Ahh whatever.
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The GPL was never intended to stiffle development, which is what a "death penalty" would accomplish. Lest we forget, Nusphere is actually ADDING features to MySQL, particularly in the area of complex "transactions".
As far as I can tell, this entire case is MySQL trying to protect its market share. Nusphere's strategy seems to have been to drag its feet releasing source code to make it a more attractive partner than MySQL. It could offer to support MySQL code, but not vice versa. If you're a firm, your choice of partner is a no brainer.
The problem is that the GPL was not designed as a commercial license. Firms are not EXPECTED to make money selling code.
Some people claim that NuSphere is now distributing source with their binaries. If that is true, they may still have lost the right to distribute the software in the long term, but the "irreparable harm" argument for a preliminary injunction seems lessened because it puts them back on equal footing with MySQL right now.
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First, here's a chart of sexual encounters we've had. The columns are the date, where, and how long the "Cmdr" lasted.
When | Where | Seconds of Penetration
02/23 | Computer Chair | n/a (masturbated)
02/24 | Computer Chair | -12 (premature)
02/25 | Server Room | -10 (premature)
02/26 | Computer Chair | -5 (premature)
02/27 | Kitchen Floor | 0 (almost there!)
02/28 | Bedroom | n/a (masturbated)
It is quite amazing to note that CmdrTaco actually does acheive errection from observing the naked female form. Quite to my surprize, but sadly he was not incredibly aroused. He turned down oral sex (of course).
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until the copyright owner decides to give it to them again, they cannot distribute the code.
ITYM "The copyright owner or anyone else who has licensed the code from the copyright owner under the GPL."
If you want to support someone at any future GPL related hearing, please stay home (unless you're going to act like a grownup).
All we need to do to convince a judge that we're a bunch of kooks is dress like we're silicon valley engineers (or worse), play Quake on our laptops, and snicker when the judge makes technical mistakes. I learned not to be a snot to the authority figure (think: professor) back when I was in college, but apparently, some people never learn.
On the other hand, a non-free program must be provided on a physical medium . Thus, all derivative works of free software can be modified and used internally without releasing it So far, any program which dinamicly links to a library which is released under the LGPL can be modified and redistributed under the GNU GPL . The GPL is a free software license, and therefore a library covered by the GNU LGPL can be distributed non-commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party A consequence is that a library covered by the GNU GPL must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU GPL. . The GPL says that a program released under a GPL-compatible license must be licensed to all third parties under the GPL
It appears that any program which is compiled by GCC can be modified and redistributed under the GNU LGPL . According to section 1 of the GPL, any program which makes a system call to run separate programs which are released under a proprietary license must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU GPL. We have already seen that any program which makes a system call to run separate programs which are released under the GPL, with a special exception which allows linking proprietary modules under a controlled interface only can be distributed commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party . Note that a program released under a GPL-compatible license must be provided on a physical medium According to section 1 of the GPL, any program which dinamicly links to a library covered by a special exception of the GNU GPL is covered by the GNU LGPL . Nevertheless, a library covered by the GNU LGPL can be distributed commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party
The GPL says that any program which makes a system call to run separate programs which are released under the GPL is covered by the GNU LGPL . According to section 3 of the GPL, any program which uses fork() and exec() to invoke separate programs which are released under the GPL, with a special exception which allows linking proprietary modules under a controlled interface only is covered by the GNU GPL It must be emphasized, once again, that any program which is sold commercially under the GNU GPL can be modified and used internally without releasing it . On the other hand, a library covered by the GNU LGPL must be licensed to all third parties under the GPL Note that free software that uses non-free libraries can be distributed non-commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party . It appears that all derivative works of free software can be modified and used internally without releasing it
It may be, then, that any program which is merely aggregated to separate programs which are released under a proprietary license is covered by the GNU GPL . Nevertheless, a library covered by a special exception of the GNU GPL must be licensed to all third parties under the GPL Notice, incidentally, that a library covered by the GNU GPL can be modified and used internally without releasing it . Presumably, a library covered by the GNU LGPL must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU LGPL. On our assumptions, a library covered by a special exception of the GNU GPL can be distributed commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party . According to section 3 of the GPL, any program written for a programming language interpreter which is released under the GPL must be licensed to all third parties under the GPL
This apears to be a classic case of confusion over concepts of IP.
THe tradmark issue would apply only to NuSphere attempting to pass their product off as being MySQL. With the GPL issue the relvent matter is copyright violation.
The first linked article completly muddles the two up. The second article does at least mention that there are at least two separate issues to the lawsuit.
Are YOU going to be the one that pays to buy RMS a box that can take that many hits?
Oh yeah, a P.S. just for those that moderate this kind of crap up because they think Stallman is an egomaniac, a religious nut that wants everything to run on Gnu/Linux and all that rot.
Stallman.org is running Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) on FreeBSD.
So there. Get over it.
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Clearly absurd, and unfortunately typical of NuSphere so far as honesty goes. Which is why I am NOT in any way angry at MySQL AB on this case - if you've followed it at all you know that NuSphere have been arses to them repeatedly, while relying on their code to sustain their business, so it's hard to criticise MySQL for just saying enough's enough, cease and desist you dumb f*ckers.
The Lesser GPL is indeed so phrased, and that is why Stallman recommends its use only when a pre-existing proprietary library beat us to the punch so far as functionality goes. If there is a reasonably priced proprietary library that gives you function X, then a GPL library that gives you function X isn't particularly attractive. So in that case it should be LGPL instead.
As to the rest... I think it's pretty clear to anyone with a small fraction of a clue that a statically linked program is a derivative work. The question remaining is whether a dynamically linked work is a derivative work as well. That's really the only area where FSF interpretations are likely to face any significant court challenge, and the FSF is and has been aware that their view may not prevail from the beginning - their publications make this clear.
The "official" FSF interpretation, if memory serves, is that dynamically linking a GPL library creates a derivative work. Yeah, that's a period.
Before the peanut gallery starts raving about the FSF being hypocritical here, let's just remember that this is a standard tactic in any legal or political arena, and the FSF would be selling us all short if they didn't use it.
Based on legal history, if it came down to the wire a court would be unlikely to uphold that claim in the event of a program which was dynamically linked against a GPL library but would also function if dynamically linked against another library instead. However, if there was no non-gpl library it could be dynamically linked against instead, the courts would likely side with us. Courts may not understand code, but they do understand pretty easily the difference between a work which has no value without X and a work which can work identically with X or Y.
Even if there is a non-GPL library now, if the work in question was distributed before the non-GPL library was available, the courts would likely call the work a GPL-derivative. Just one more reason to license your library under GPL NOT LGPL unless you are certain your library simply duplicates functions already available.
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Does the GPL not hold outside the US? Do judgements in foreign courts not hold any weight in the US? Or is it simply because they had a better chance of winning a trademark case in the US? (or is their Trademark registered in the US?)
They should have known that a US judge is never going to make a decision that harms a US company to the advantage of a foreign one.
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From Adam Kessel's Comments:
[The Judge] seemed to think "linking" code was analogous to hyperlinks on the web
In the case of dynamic linking, isn't it? I can link your graphic from your web server inside my web page. In both cases I'm telling the software (either a browser or the OS) where to go to get the rest of the relevant information. In the abstract sense, how is dynamic code linking unlike web linking?
It seemed like she [...] had trouble seeing how [immediate and irreparable injury, loss or damage] was the case
This is the clincher for pretty much any temporary injunction filed based on the GPL. The GPL requires that no money can be due to authors of the work for its use. No money, no damages. No damages, no injunction without a full blown trial.
The only way I can see to get around this would be to offer the software under a dual license where the second license required significant remuneration. That way you could argue that if they failed to comply with the GPL then the second license applied, which would mean a breach involving a lot of unpaid cash.
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Why are we fighting this fight anyway? If we as software developers choose to give our stuff away for the common good, what does it matter if someone who doesn't share our values manages to make a buck or two off of it? If the Open Source / Free Software doctrines are sound, then such folks are going to lose in the long run anyway. Its not as if there is a shortage of folks out there who are willing to be a part of this without being forced. Not for the better part of a decade.
Think about it: If Microsoft could swipe the Linux kernel, wrap Windows around it, and sell it without the source, what would the fallout be? Millions of users would see a more stable and secure operating system, hardware manufacturers would have an easier time of providing drivers for Linux (since they would be essentially the same), and Redmond would be financially motivated to keep coming back to the core linux source tree rather than a single-shot fork. Socially, Linux in the public domain would be far more powerful than Linux under the GPL.
Besides, saying that I "freely" offer you my stuff but you must subscribe to my social values to get it seems a little like a 21st century version of Marxism. Who do we think we are that we should have such power? Wouldn't we be better off to just release in the public domain?
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Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
Note that a library covered by a special exception of the GNU GPL must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU GPL. . Furthermore, a library covered by the GNU GPL can be modified and redistributed under the GNU LGPL According to section 1 of the GPL, any program which dinamicly links to a library which is released under the LGPL can be distributed non-commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party . Presumably, free software that uses non-free libraries is covered by the GNU LGPL Notice, incidentally, that a non-free program can be modified and redistributed under the GNU GPL . With this clarification, any program which uses a library which is released under the LGPL must be provided on a physical medium With this clarification, a library covered by a special exception of the GNU GPL can be distributed commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party . According to section 1 of the GPL, free software that uses non-free libraries is covered by the GNU LGPL According to section 1 of the GPL, any program which makes a system call to run separate programs which are released under a proprietary license can be modified and used internally without releasing it . So far, any program which is merely aggregated to separate programs which are released under the GPL must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU LGPL. Notice, incidentally, that a library covered by the GNU LGPL can be distributed commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party . With this clarification, any program which uses a library which is released under the GPL can be modified and redistributed under the GNU LGPL Analogously, any program which makes a system call to run separate programs which are released under the GPL is covered by the GNU LGPL . So far, any program which uses a library covered by a special exception of the GNU GPL can be distributed non-commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party It must be emphasized, once again, that a program released under the GPL can be distributed commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party . It appears that any program which is compiled by GCC can be modified and redistributed under the GNU GPL It may be, then, that any program which is sold commercially under the GNU GPL is covered by the GNU GPL . So far, any program which dinamicly links to a library covered by a special exception of the GNU GPL must be provided on a physical medium For one thing, any program which is merely aggregated to separate programs which are released under the GPL must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU GPL. . It may be, then, that a program which copies part of itself on its output is covered by the GNU LGPL Suppose, for instance, that any program which uses a library which is released under the GPL can be distributed commercially, but must include a written offer valid for any third party . Note that any program which uses fork() and exec() to invoke separate programs which are released under the GPL can be modified and redistributed under the GNU LGPL We have already seen that any program which uses fork() and exec() to invoke separate programs which are released under the GPL, with a special exception which allows linking proprietary modules under a controlled interface only must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU LGPL. . It must be emphasized, once again, that binaries you distribute for download must be licensed to all third parties under the GPL Nevertheless, the source code for all derivative works can be modified and used internally without releasing it . A consequence is that any program which dinamicly links to a library covered by a special exception of the GNU GPL must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU GPL. On our assumptions, a library covered by the GNU LGPL can be modified and redistributed under the GNU LGPL . Conversely, any program which is compiled by GCC is covered by the GNU LGPL A consequence is that any program which uses fork() and exec() to invoke separate programs which are released under a proprietary license must be licensed to all third parties under the GPL . Notice, incidentally, that any program which is sold commercially under the GNU GPL can be modified and used internally without releasing it A consequence is that any program which makes a system call to run separate programs which are released under the GPL, with a special exception which allows linking proprietary modules under a controlled interface only can be modified and used internally without releasing it . We have already seen that a library covered by the GNU LGPL must be provided on a physical medium The GPL says that a library covered by the GNU LGPL can be modified and redistributed under the GNU LGPL . A consequence is that all derivative works of free software must be licensed to all third parties under the GPL Nevertheless, any program which uses a library which is released under the GPL can be modified and used internally without releasing it . Furthermore, a GPL-covered program must be made available with its complete source code under the GNU GPL.
The judge in this case is ill qualified to sit it, plain and simple. she seemed to think "linking" code was analogous to hyperlinks on the web, and that a single package was like a single icon you would click on on the desktop. This is incompitence. As I wouldn't hire a lawyer who didn't understand the specifics of tech law I shouldn't have to put up with a judge who doesn't understand the specifics of tech law. How can justice be served when we're trying to have sophisticated conversations about what is legal and what is not legal and the judge is sitting there saying "what's a binary?"
How we know is more important than what we know.
Wish I could have viewed the Newsforge story. (sigh) They obliterated it with a popunder &over
The FSF has posted an Affidavit of Eben Moglen on Progress Software vs. MySQL AB Preliminary Injunction Hearing. It is pretty good reading.
They immediately gain permission to redistribute as soon as they download a new copy. Section 6 clearly states:
"Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and conditions." (my emphasis added).
In other words, they are automatically relicensed by the terms of the GPL as soon as they got a new version from MySQL-AB.
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Clearly she didn't know or care that this is considered the big "test case" for this culturally iconic GPL. To her, this was just another license and copyright case. The question of whether the GPL is "valid" never came up; it was assumed to be as valid as any license. She knew, probably from the 200 pages of briefs she complained loudly about having had to read, a bit of the history and significance of the FS/OSS movements (when the MySQL lawyer began a diatribe about the importance of keeping software free, she interjected, "Yeah, yeah, I know, it's like a religious movement, it's Open Source!")
It was just as clear that she knew nothing about software and made no bones about it. She started out pronouncing the product in question "Mice Quill". (And then she has to deal with the plaintiff calling it "My Ess Cue Ell" and the defendant calling it "My Sequel"!) And, as has been remarked, when the MySQL lawyer used the phrase "single executable file," she interrupted and demanded that he clarify, "Is that like, when I click the icon for Microsoft Word Perfect, just one window comes up?"
However, like any good judge or lawyer, she was focused on avoiding time-consuming litigation with expert testimony and the like. She saw past all the technical arguments and FS/OSS crusading and recognized this case for what it was: a business relationship gone bad. She stopped in the middle of NuSphere's testimony and asked if the two businesses wanted to work together again. Both sides were taken way aback, there formed these two little clusters of suits as the lawyers and the company reps conferred; each lawyer in turn blustered for a minute about his client's demands and then said yes, they'd love to. (Significantly, this is where the judge got NuSphere to promise to take the EULA off their product.) Judge Saris then got her bailiff to get on the phone and find them a qualified arbitrator *right away* and offered them her courtroom for the rest of the afternoon. In essence, "Will you kids please just get a room and figure this out!"
It was a bit disturbing that she was so reluctant to see irreparable harm in letting a company abuse the GPL like NuSphere did and get away with it. I think that was mainly her wanting to avoid a long trial unless it proved essential, and making NuSphere quit using MySql would basically shut down NuSphere, and would thus require a long fierce court battle.
It is important that even cases like this, dealing with highly technical matters, be judged in a regular court by regular legal types with no prior knowledge of the field. Just like a case between a bricklayer and her construction company, or a musician and his record label. Because they need to be judged based on regular law, in proceedings comprehensible to an intelligent but uninformed outsider. If the judge had known the difference between static and dynamic linking, she would have been an industry insider and would have already had a bias one way or the other.
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The GPL limits distributing without source, not "commercially". You can charge whatever you like for a GPL'd binary (as long as source is included or available at cost).
RTFGPL! Anyone who has licensed the code under the GPL can, in turn, license the code under the same terms to another party. I could go download a copy of MySQL right now and license it to NuSphere, and they would get from me exactly the same rights they got from MySQL AB under the GPL.
Now if you want to argue that this is not the _intent_ of the GPL, then we're just violently agreeing. But it's not the intent that matters - it's the text. The FSF will have to fix this loophole in GPL v2.0.
Correct.
But the GPL does add additional restrictions if you distribute commercially: you must either provide source with binaries (if you provide binaries on "media", or a transferrable written offer to provide source. If you do not distribute commercially, it is sufficient to provide a reference to where you obtained the source.
One issue is whether pointing to an FTP server counts as providing source "on media" (for the case where, for example, you ship binaries on a CD, with a link to an FTP server for source). My understanding is that the FSF and RMS think "No." This is because network access may be nonexistant or prohibitively expensive for some.
Of course, if you provide both binaries and source on a server somewhere, you're O.K.
You could've hired me.
s/2/3/. The FSF already published (a decade ago) the GPL version 2.
Does Miocrosoft sell a product called 'security'? Do they guarantee security? I don't think so. So why should they be liable? If You want security, lock the door and cut the network cables.
And about open source products one can basically argument totally different: do You pay for it? No. You often just pay for the distribution. So where can there be liability? No one said it is perfectly fitted for high security uses...
I just don't understand this discussion. If You want security, get a firewall from SUN and a damn good admin.
Just my two cents...
You obviously haven't read the GPL very carefully, or you'd have noticed:
A. The GPL is currently at version 2!
B. The two parties involved in the GPL are the copyright holder(s) on one side and the licensee on the other. If any one of the copyright holders has revoked your right to copy, you have no right to copy! End of story. Standard copyright law.
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It's 3:55 right now in Waltham, MA. That was Jimmy Buffett's Calaloo, off of the soundtrack to his musical Don't Stop the Carnival. Kind of a treat for those goatse.cx readers that happen to enjoy shit from the Coral Reefers now and then. Now we segue into every Slashdotter's favorite band, the defenders of Napster known as Metallica, with the masterful "Ain't My Bitch" from Load