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The Price Of Doing Business

8127972 writes: "It seems that a ton of high tech companies are leaving cities (like San Fran) with high costs of doing business for cheaper cities (Washington DC is mentioned due to new government spending) or even cities in Canada. Sounds like American high tech workers are going to have to learn to say the word "eh?" a lot."

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  1. Amazing. by BigZaphod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it amazing that they are moving out of large US cities into Canda instead of just moving to the midwest or something. Chicago is quite a lot cheaper than the coastal cities, and it has all the usual big-city perks.

    Of course there are also a lot of small citys that would kill for some high-tech company to move in. Seems like they could get some pretty good deals if they used that option.

    Why do so many companies feel the need to be tied to a coast?

  2. other related news by lemonhed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There has been alot of commentary on this subject. The Gartner group put out this commentary about the "Tech Wreck" coming to the SF Bay area.

    They claim that a city will do well if they install a broadband communications network that connects citizens, local businesses and the global marketplace.

    I think that the obvious solution to this may be Telecomutting See this link for more info

    1. Re:other related news by plopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you hit the nail on the head with telecomuting. As long as 3 years ago I heard aobut companies looking for places other than Atlanta simply due to poor transportaion with a lack of mass transit. More companies are getting sauvey (sp?) to the fact that 2+ hour commutes to and from work have HUGE hidden costs. As far as cities selling themselves as a good place for businesses, transportation or telecommuting is going to become more and more important.

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  3. Bad news for San Francisco - Bad strategy by Cirrocco · · Score: 5, Insightful
    San Francisco landlords threw out long-term tenants in favor of tenants who could only afford rent for the short-term. Bad strategy. Now that dot-coms have gone to the away place San Francisco is now full of empty building and landlords begging tenants to come back. They aren't lowering the cost of rent, though. They expect that people will continue to pay the outrageous rents that the dot-coms paid. Survey says? BZZZZZT!! Oh, I'm sorry! It looks like you'll have to forgo the new Mercedes this year, Mr. Landlord.

    Bad karma revisits landlords who threw out poor people for those who could handle higher rents! News at 11!

  4. Re:blame canada? by Glytch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh yeah, for sure. We got the curling too, eh? And Tim Horton's. :)

    Trust me, my fellow techies, if you ever move up here, get an apartment or house within two or three minutes walk of a Tim Horton's. You will not regret it.

  5. Diversity and Tolerance are why the Bay Area wins by jamiefaye · · Score: 4, Insightful

    San Francisco and Silicon Valley has an enormous critical mass of Gay/Lesbian/Bi/Trans people, and Nerds. The counter-culture continues to thrive here.

    For techies - it means that you are respected and accepted everywhere, no matter what you look like.

    It is the opposite of the nightmare world Jon Katz describes in "Voices from the Hellmouth". Nobody who has been dumped-on for being smart or diferent wants to go back out into the cold.

    Attempts to replicate the Bay Area have to replicate this tolerance too - which often requires a massive, slow change in attitude.

    -- Jamie

  6. Sandhill Rd is the only true "prestige" address by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The rest of the Bay Area is about proximity to talent. The VCs get some juice from having a Sand Hill Rd address, but for the rest of the companies here, there are real tangible benefits.

    How many other places in the country can you place an ad for an esoteric vertical technology and reasonably expect 100 good resumes??

  7. Re:Price of Living in Canada by csbruce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is because Canada has roughly the same affluence as the poorest state in America.

    That is highly doubtful. Canadians have always had a higher standard of living than Americans, and until just this year, the highest standard in the world (displaced by Denmark, I think). America is barely in the top ten.

    Honestly, so many Canadians don't seem to know how well they have it!

  8. Re:South Carolina!!! by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    * Detractors:
    * Well, it is South Carolina
    * Convincing your staff to move here


    I've lived in South Carolina for most of my life and I wouldn't say it's a bad place to live and actually right now I'd much rather be there than here in colorado where it's -20 with the wind chill :). The only real detractor I would say is the hurricanes, but california has earthquakes, so pick your poison. However, if you go too far outside of the main cities, you have to deal with hicks and rednecks. Charleston is really pretty and the coast has some nice beaches, and I would say it's a pretty good place to live.

    On a side note, you will have to get used to a few cultural differences: "ya'll damn yankies better no be comin' don her and talk 'bout no 'civil war', ain't been no 'civil war', ya'll must mean da 'war o' nothern agression'!"

  9. Re:Well, except for one thing... by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
    > ...the fact that trying to actually get in to Canada "sucks [cbc.ca]".

    What could be harder than proving you have a college degree, can speak English, and a job offer? That's most of the "points" you need right then and there!

    Especially compared to the 6-7 years of hoop-jumping with INS -- an agency that seems dedicated to the propostion that terrorists can get in just fine on student visas, but technology professionals have to stick with the same job for the better part of a decade and beg for permission from a state employment agency (3-6 months), the federal department of labor (another month), then back to the INS to ask for permission to apply for a green card (between 3 months to 1 year), and then another year or two after permission's granted, to actually get the green card. Get laid off or company reorgs? Get on the next plane back home and start from scratch.

    If you've got half a brain and a degree, getting into Canada to do high-tech work is trivial.

    INS incompetency has made it clear that high-tech workers are neither wanted nor valued in the States.

  10. San Francisco's "Housing Farce" by cornflux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For anyone interested in San Francisco's rent situation, you might find these two articles, by Thomas Sowell, to be interesting: The Housing Farce and The Housing Farce, Part II.

  11. Re:So they're going to Take Off, eh? by FFFish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those who are going to argue about health care systems would do themselves justice reading Canada's Burning, an expose on the media lies that are being fed to us all.

    You may well find that what you thought you knew to be true, isn't.

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