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All MS Settlement Comments Now Online

Sundance writes: "The DOJ has published their answer to the Tunney Act comments on the Microsoft settlement. The gist of it is that, basically, they like the settlement agreement the way it was written and won't change much of it, if at all. Choice quote: "A number of commentors are concerned that Microsoft will deny disclosure of APIs and Documentation, or licensing of Communications Protocols, to open source developers on the grounds that the developers do not meet the "reasonable business need" or "authenticity and viability of business" criteria of Section III.J.2.(441) The United States believes that the requirements in Section III.J.2 are no broader than is necessary to prevent misuse or misappropriation of intellectual property." I guess that crimes pays, after all -- provided that you're rich enough to start with." hbo adds: "The comments are indexed by comment id. There is also an alphabetical list of commentators. To find a particular comment, look it up in the list, then find the comment id in the index. Finally, click on the particular comment to view it."

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  1. Finally, the perfect troll! :-) by thebigwaffle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From: Luby, Thomas
    To:Microsoft ATR
    Date: 12/10/01 1:22pm
    Subject: Microsoft Settlement

    With all due respect to the DOJ Anti-trust department, this case should
    have never been pursued in the first place. I thought that anti-trust
    legislation was to protect the consumer, not to appease competitors that
    are losing in the marketplace. Has Microsoft always been a perfect
    angel? I don't think so. Microsoft should face no penalties that
    involve changes to their product or by "releasing" information about
    their source code. The future of computing is not a bunch of different
    systems that aren't compatible but a global network of computers
    seamlessly exchanging information. Microsoft is working on this goal.

    Sincerely,

    Thomas F. Luby

    1. Re:Finally, the perfect troll! :-) by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is this is the guy right here? (changed his middle initial..?) Read his 'specialties'. Sounds like someone should be hired by MS to write a letter. If it's not this guy, check out this one I'm not sure what this is about, but it's pretty obvious that money is in the mix. There's his ph #! Call him and ask.

  2. Gonna take a while to slog through all these... by BadDoggie · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...and me without mod points. My favourite DoJ troll so far: Comment Number MTC-00008437 from "Gates, Billy and Elizabeth". At least, I hope it's a troll. But then I see Comment Number MTC-00008427 from "Allen, Paul". Paul J Allen, according to the comment. With a home number in Winter Garden, Florida.

    Seems everything in the 8,000 range is from MS employees and other non-living entities. I thought some random twit slipped through at comment 8432 (AOL address), but no, that's from MS as well, and from obviously someone good at public writing (read: propaganda).

    I'm still hunting for the case-widening and case-lengthening posts, along with the pr0n link they admitted receiving, Ashcroft-snotting posts and other crap from the people here.

    Haven't found a Taco OR Hemos post yet (nor Rusty or Ino). Found mine, though. Also found some Ayn Rand-spewing nutter with the same name as my father who wrote a rather disjointed diatribe but I think was pro-MS.

    woof.

  3. Word Perfect by hobit · · Score: 2, Interesting
    At the top of the DOJ website:


    This document is available in three formats: this web page (for browsing content), PDF (comparable to original document formatting), and WordPerfect. To view the PDF you will need Acrobat Reader, which may be downloaded from the Adobe site. For an official signed copy, please contact the Antitrust Documents Group.


    I realized I'd not seen anyone post anything in WordPerfect in years! Gosh, I wonder why they did that. :-)

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  4. Re:Found Mine by Jerry · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Microsoft's dominance in the applications arena hinges on its proprietary data formats. I cannot reasonably ask my patrons to run applications that cannot faithfully, reliably, and consistently both read and write Microsoft documents. However, applications that meet these criteria do not exist, because Microsoft controls the format, but does not divulge the operational details. If a competitor comprehends the format, Microsoft changes it. Microsoft gets an upgrade fee; the competitor starts over.


    You realize, don't you, that even WinXXX cannot 'faithfully' read and write Microsoft documents? Your Win9x users, for example, will not be able to read or edit a Word doc sent from Office XP. The same is true for the other MS propriatary formats. This is all part of Bill's scheme to force users of older WinXX OSs to "upgrade" and such a tactic is prima facia proof of a monoply. If users had a real choice they'd switch the moment Gates first tried such an onious tactic.

    With StarOffice, OpenOffice and AbiWord they now have a choice, but the vast majoryity don't realize it because of the control MS will CONTINUE to have over the PC OEMS.

    However, recent events at Walmart give me hope. Now that one can buy a PC for $399 sans OS, or $599 with XP, one can see the MS tax in action. Hopefully, these prices will force Dell, Gateway and Compac to lower their prices too, rendering the MS tax obvious to all and breaking the monoply.

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  5. Mine's there, but where's Rob's, etc.? by Brian+Knotts · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Mine is at MTC-00017039, but I didn't see a comment from Mr. Taco, or Linus, or ESR, or even RMS.

    What's up with that?

  6. Re:Important lesson by Maul · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the comments I've read, it seems that it is about 50/50 when taking into account reasonably informed opinions.


    However, it seems as if the DOJ is going to ignore
    the arguments against MS by the public, discounting
    the majority of even the well structured arguments
    as being "Bill Gate Sucks!" posts.


    This is very disappointing, especially
    since many of the anti-MS comments seem to be the
    most informed, pointing to past cases involving MS
    basically laughing at decisions and penalties imposed on them.


    I think it is blatantly obvious that there is
    a huge influence under Dubya's administration
    to basically render the finding of guilt
    absolutely useless. Repeatedly I hear stories of "pressure" being placed on the Judge to go along with the DOJ's settlement. I think it is fairly
    sickening that the balance of power between the
    Executive and Judicial branches are failing in
    this way.

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  7. Re:Obfuscated Indices by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This situation is NOT by accident! A useful method would have been to put the comments into a searchable database. They knew that, but it would have made cross checking too easy, and their tissue of lies could be blown away by a gradeschool student doing simple comparisons.


    Perhaps. So now some perl-savvy Slashdotter should write a script to mirror the site into a database, and post the resulting URL. Shouldn't be more than an hour or two of work for someone who has the skills...

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  8. what they should have done by Cinematique · · Score: 2, Interesting

    they should have set up a filter.

    any comment which has a body exactly like another comment should be thrown out.

    why wasn't this done?

    then again... it's not like my comment ultimately matters in this case.

    :(