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NTT to Start i-mode Services in U.S.

Vertigo Donkey writes: "Reuters has a report on NTT DoCoMo Inc.'s debut on the London and New York stock markets on Friday. What does this mean for the US? Well, according to a (very) brief article in the Japan Times, DoCoMo plans to offer 'its i-mode Internet-capable mobile phone service in the United States before the end of this year.'"

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  1. first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    fp!

  2. POTS FRITS! by Crapflooder · · Score: -1

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    1. Re:POTS FRITS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    2. Re:POTS FRITS! by Crapflooder · · Score: -1

      anonymous coward...

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  3. @home is dying by RoboTroll · · Score: -1
    It's a well known fact that DSL is just second rate to cable. The ill-informed DSL guys will tell you how great it is and all, a nice dedicated connection - but they won't tell you it's dedicated to the switch. The point being, you've got all these people pirating mp3s, porn, and software and you still are gonna get shitty service. Let's just hope you live across the street from the telco's switching equipment. The telco's have no reason to maintain their lines either, they have to open it up to other companies which look bad when bell decides to get around to fixing a problem on the lines - they make money by neglecting their equipment.

    @home shot itself in the foot by offering crappy DSL service.

    Cable on the other hand is not regulated meaning they have don't have to open their systems for shit. They generally provide better service anyway. In a 2001 Newsweek report it stated that the DSL market has shruken nearly a staggering 14% in one year, 9% of that in the last quarter alone. If you own stock in any of the other big DSL companies such as Verizon, Swbell, or @home then you are in for a big surprise. Lets just hope you enough bandwidth to come crying on slashdot when your company leaves your ass hanging in the breeze.

    Fact: @home is DEAD.

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  5. Hmm... cute litle letters by Orre · · Score: 1

    Does those cute litle letters (DoCoMo) mean anything in English?

    1. Re:Hmm... cute litle letters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      In Japanese it means cock. As in swallow my..

    2. Re:Hmm... cute litle letters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dokomo is Japanese for "everywhere" so it's a play on words.

    3. Re:Hmm... cute litle letters by thened · · Score: 1
      It also stands for Do Communications over the Mobile network...Or so I was told

      Mind you, Docomo is quite evil.

    4. Re:Hmm... cute litle letters by xylix · · Score: 2, Informative
      Does those cute litle letters (DoCoMo) mean anything in English?

      Those cute little letters mean something in Japanese. It is derived from 'doco demo'. Doko means 'where'. Doko demo means 'anywhere'; hence referring to service you can use anywhere. The first word is used with a sylable from the second word (and of course changing the k to a c). This is a common way of creating new words in Japanese - whether it be standard Japanese words, or new slang or corporate (in this case) branding.

      I have also heard of docomo being lengthened into "Do Comunications" as another poster mentioned but I am quite sure this was a marketing slogan and not the origin of the word.

    5. Re:Hmm... cute litle letters by achurch · · Score: 2

      I have also heard of docomo being lengthened into "Do Comunications" as another poster mentioned but I am quite sure this was a marketing slogan and not the origin of the word.

      Actually, it's "Do Communications over the Mobile Network", though I don't doubt that "DoCoMo" came first.

    6. Re:Hmm... cute litle letters by Krellan · · Score: 2

      Actually it's spelled DoCoMo, not dokomo.

      It's actually a phrase from English -- " Dot Com Mode ". When abbreviated in that cute Japanese syllabic way, DoCoMo!

      It's a happy coincidence that it is pronounced similar to dokomo (everywhere), as you said. I hope that comes true. I can't wait for DoCoMo to be available in the USA!!

    7. Re:Hmm... cute litle letters by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2

      Was that meant to be funny? DoCoMo is the name of the company, and it really is a play on 'dokomo', though it's also supposed to be short for something like 'Do Communicate by Mobile'. The hypertext/email service is called 'i-mode', in which the 'i' doesn't have a fixed meaning but can be taken as 'information', 'Internet', or any number of other things.

  6. Damn. by Anztac · · Score: 1
    $10,000 per stock O.O...

    ...um... That's cutting off a large share of investors... but perhaps it's meant to solidify their position, as the investments higher and less likely to be bought and sold on a whim... still...

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    1. Re:Damn. by frankmu · · Score: 1

      japanese stocks do not split like american stocks. So they can become very expensive. of course, they do hang around as a result. consider the dotcom bust.

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    2. Re:Damn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be they forgot to change Yen to dollars... ;) Sure it would cut off a large portion of stock traders - that does not mean your average investor trading in mutual funds won't have it in there somewhere.

      Remember that mutual funds is geared towards are building up your wealth. You can spend $20 a month if that's what you can affort. Once you have more $$$, you are free to do whatever with the cash.

    3. Re:Damn. by shimpei · · Score: 1
      japanese stocks do not split like american stocks
      What are you talking about? DoCoMo itself plans to do a 5-to-1 split in May. (Sorry, the link is in Japanese)
  7. Nordic countries in all this ? by forged · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The article reads:
    ...plans to introduce its hit "i-mode" mobile Internet access service in Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands within the next two months.

    While this is great I suppose, I am surprised that they will not begin with the usual heavy-weight mobile-phone-friendly countries, such as Finland, Sweden..

    Anyway, depending on how they package their services and what you get for the price, that may be very interesting and very cool. I'm actually excited to see that finally EU/US will be catching up with some Japanese gadgets :)

    1. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      imode is moneymaker tool. Population in one prefecture (e.g. Nord-Rhein-Westfalen) in Germany exceeds Nordic population combined. Just compare the buying power Nordic vs Central Europe and it is clear case why the backyard of Nokia and Ericsson is not good business case.

    2. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by Gerein · · Score: 2, Informative
      While this is great I suppose, I am surprised that they will not begin with the usual heavy-weight mobile-phone-friendly countries, such as Finland, Sweden..

      I think the reason for that is, that DoCoMo holds a large share of KPN, the Netherland's biggest mobile phone operator, which in turn posseses a part of E-Plus a smaller german operator. I'd guess the picture is simillar in Belgium. They're planning to introduce the service in Germany at the CeBIT (biggest computer fair in the world), which would be in 10 days.

    3. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by JW555 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Various analysts have all predicted i-mode is doomed to fail in europe. The business model as it stands in Japan just doesn't work. One of the main reasons for i-mode's success in Japan was the lack of text messaging. Europe has had this for some time, phone's and networks are nearly at the i-mode level and given 3G investment from other networks, seems unlikely to succeed. Jon (Doing WAP development!)

    4. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by emir · · Score: 1

      reasons that they are starting with germany is that e-plus (which is starting with imode in germany) is owned by dutch kpn which is 25% (not sure about right percentage) owned by ntt docomo. that way ntt docomo is indirectly trying to introduce imode into europe without any major investment in infrastructure

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    5. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by macpeep · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "While this is great I suppose, I am surprised that they will not begin with the usual heavy-weight mobile-phone-friendly countries, such as Finland, Sweden.."

      I live in Finland and I'm definitely a "first mover". Guess what? I wouldn't get an i-mode phone. I'm perfectly happy with my current GSM triple band, GPRS & Bluetooth capable Ericsson T68 (it has a color screen too and is very small). It works in just about every country in the world, USA included. My laptop and PDA connects to the internet with it, without any wires what so ever. GPRS is pretty cheap too (depending of course what you use it for). What extra would i-mode give me over the current phone and service that I have?

      GSM & GPRS & SMS & WAP & J2ME are technology wise up there with i-mode. GSM gives you something that i-mode doesn't: it works just about anywhere in the world.

    6. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by pigret · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "various analysts" report you link to has caused much mirth for those of us in Japan who develop for i-mode.

      Fact 1) Imode handsets have full email capability. I have no idea what the newysbytes analyst means by

      "Japanese mobile-phone users don't have access to text-messaging technology, so mobile phone users have embraced I-Mode to allow them to surf the mobile Internet for their e-mail,"

      Fact - when you send email (from any email client) to an i-mode phone, it is delivered straight to the handset. No "surfing the web" required. It is a packet network and you pay for the packets received - not for the time online. So yes - you pay for incoming mail. But not a great deal, and I would rather have it that way than have to pay for the time I am online.

      Fact 2) Imode succeeded text based paging - which was the previous rage in Japan back when Europeans still thought that the digital watch was a rather cool new fangled piece of tech. So - no particular "lack of text messaging void" to fill... SMS? It's a joke.

      What do you mean by "phones and networks are nearly at the i-mode level? The handsets I have seen in the UK on my trips home have been - oh - horridly misconceived bricks. I am sure you finally have one or two decent phones - but the majority of Brits at least are still using handsets better suited to use in the building industry.

      As for networks - are they packet networks? Do you have the "always online" feeling that you get with i-mode?

      As for comparing WAP with imode's version of chtml - knocking up a page for imode is trivial.

      And when you claim phones and networks are nearly at the imode level - is that the new 3G Foma level, or the last generation, boring full colour 10k Java midlet running phones?

      I-mode succeeded in Japan because the user experience is excellent - the phones "just work" there is wodges of content online, that kind of stuff. And it is a doddle to develop for.

      Nick May
      Fukuoka, Japan
      i-mode/j-phone website developer....

    7. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by runner35 · · Score: 1

      iMode is completely independant of the network structure. Any 2.5G network will work. iMode is currently running on the NTT 2.5G PDC network and will run great on GSM/PCS/CDMA. iMode is doing well in Japan for three reasons. 1. The content is outstanding. 2. The average Japanese commuter spends 1 to 2 hours a day on the trains where it is not culturally acceptable to talk on your phone, so everyone uses iMode during their commute. 3. Japan has a very low number of internet connected PCs in homes, but 50 million iMode, JSky, and ezWeb (iMode competitors) capable phones.

      I'm an American MBA currently studying in Japan and I've just finished a strategy project with DoCoMo's 3G service FOMA. No one outside of Japan can even begin to imagine how advanced the phones and services are. The big question is whether or not US users will use the services, as most Americans drive to work and iMode is targeted at filling the 'dead time' during peoples' commute and other waiting times, like the doctors office.

    8. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by macpeep · · Score: 2

      I was in Japan a few months ago when FOMA was launched.. I played with both the iMode phones and the FOMA phone. Sure, they are nice, but really, technology wise, iMode & iAppli has nothing to offer that WAP and J2ME wouldn't already accomplish. Or let's say COULD. What you said about content quality is the key issue. Japanese content is good. In Europe, it's complete crap. It's not the fault of the technology tho, so I don't see how going iMode would change it.

    9. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by kenydl · · Score: 1

      You are missing the point. Most people don't want email to there phone, SMS is what is known as a killer app for mobile phones in the UK/Europe.

      I am a student, I text people all the time, for 5p I can send a quick message to any of my friends on any network at any time (as opposes to about 50p a min to call another network at peak time). Yes I can't get email (wap is a joke) but for "Going down the pub?" style messages who needs it.

      Texting is a universal, I expect more people send text messages in the UK than use email regularly (approximately 1.4 billion text messages were sent in the UK last month http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1841000 /1841942.stm.

      The point is that the reason imode was a success in Japan was that it filled the same niche in Japan as SMS did in Europe. Why would I want to by a new phone to text my friends if I can already do it and they would have to get a new phone to do it as well. WAP has killed off most people's view of the "Internet" on a mobile, and unless you suddenly get BIG mobiles with BIG screens what is the point any way.

      When was the last time you saw mobiles in the UK?

      Ok I have a brick like phone, as I am a poor student and it is about 2 years old. But nearly all new phones are tiny. Most of my friends have phones like the Nokia 3310 (http://www.nokia.com/phones/3310/index.html ) which is not exactly huge.

      Imode could work well in the US, but it is going to need more than text messaging to be a hit in the UK and Europe.

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    10. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by haunebu · · Score: 1
      Hate to break it to you, but i-mode is not a network protocol like GSM (which is a TDMA variant). i-mode is an application framework (including the cHTML browser) that runs on top of Japan's PDC network. You're confusing two fundamentally different things.

      Aside from that, though, you're right, we're pretty much on par with what's available in Japan. The Ericsson T68 in particular is a very nice phone. It's even upgradeable and you can install Ericsson's XHTML browser when it becomes available. The T68i will be announced this week, and it'll have MMS as well as video playback capabilities.

      I use a Nokia 9210, and my major gripes with that it are 1) Size 2) No GPRS 3) No tri-band 4) No Bluetooth. Even though mine costs more (and I work for Nokia), I gotta admit that, pound-for-pound, yours is the best handset out on the market right now. Until the T68i comes out, that is =)

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    11. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by JakiChan · · Score: 1

      My only complaint is crappy GSM coverage in the US. I use Cingular in the Bay Area and it's been terribly oversubscribed and has poor signal strength. So even *if* someone can get through to me and doesn't get a fast busy then chances are the call will be dropped.

      I like my phone, a v3682, and am considering switching to a Palm Phone. I like handspring, but I am not sure I wanna stay with GSM and the Samsung color palm phone sure does look nice.

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    12. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by JW555 · · Score: 1

      Can't argue with facts 1&2 :) Think by surf for email they essentially mean use the phone. With regard to the phones, I was in Tokyo a few months ago, yes, your phones are amazing, smaller, all colour etc. Phones here are just getting to colour (Ericsson T68), most are now coming out with WAP 1.2.1 and GPRS support. No Java support yet (except on the communicator devices) When I say nearly, give it a year and I'd say most new phones will be WAP 2.0, GPRS and colour. So still not quite i-mode level admittedly, but significant improvement on recent devices. Networks are now implementing GPRS always on in UK, most of the networks have it available. Re UI etc, see my other post about Mari Matsunaga, excellent choice of mobile phone hating editor in chief! My point was basically that i-mode, whilst technically better strikes me as something of a betamax / vhs affair. It's arriving too late.

    13. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BUMp..if I had mod points u'd get em :)

    14. Re:Nordic countries in all this ? by Cato · · Score: 2

      I've used WAP since the Nokia 7110 came out, and I still find it has huge problems, even on my T68 - WAP gateways break, WAP browsers refuse to display pages, and WAP sites make it hard to do simple things like 'Back' in the browser (they actually control that sort of feature...). Most importantly, even when WAP works, the sites are frequently very hard to use due to poor design.

      GPRS makes WAP easier to use, because it's always-on, but it's not any faster for my provider - in fact a side-by-side test at the same time on the same site showed GSM was a bit faster (though more expensive and not really a noticeable difference).

      J2ME will help matters, particularly the model of keeping a local data cache on the phone, but it's a lot harder to write a J2ME midlet than a WAP or i-mode page, so they will not be so common IMO.

      I think that i-mode has a huge future if it addresses the failings of WAP before the M-Services and other initiatives deliver. It's more like TV than a PC, i.e. 'it just works' whereas WAP is a painful experience akin to the web browser in the mid-90s.

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  9. Can't Catch Up by ScumBiker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it means that the $400 I just spent for my Kyocera smart phone is for naught. I really wish that the cell vendors over here in the states would get their shit together and offer us something decent. How about simply bringing us to the same level as European cell service? I'm not sure that this imode internet phone is that useful though. All the article really says is that DoCoMo is contracted with AT&T. At least with my phone, I get the Palm OS. Granted, the screen is about 25% smaller, but I can still play solitare in meetings with it quite nicely. And, of course, get all the functional;ity of a Palm PDA plus some cool phone specific apps.

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    1. Re:Can't Catch Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What else do cell vendors need to do to "get their shit together"? Offer you a phone that makes you a latte, parks your BMW, sends you the latest anime reviews and laundaries your whities? I don't know what's wrong with your $400 Kyocera, but my $99 Samsung works just fine at making PHONE CALLS. Ordering pizzas, calling friends, family and coworkers all seems to work just fine with my service. I don't need a $400 phone and an outrageously priced monthy bill to feel that my phone service is complete. 3G, PDA, Palm-OS powered internet-conenctivity devices or whatever the heck they are might work for self important whizkids that the marketing machine lusts for, the guys that will buy a $400 PHONE because they "need it" to "get work done". I'll take the cheap stuff, works just fine thanks.

    2. Re:Can't Catch Up by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting
      really wish that the cell vendors over here in the states would get their shit together and offer us something decent.

      You hit the nail on the head. I can't imagine them sitting on their hands while 3G/i-mode enters the US (althought it's only 2.5G service being rolled out in Netherlands, Belgium and Germany, so... is it really going to be 3G in US? You know how Japan holds back cool stuff for the home market...) But it's been at least a decade since cell phone service really started (I still have my first bag-phone around here somewhere) and they've really done very little. I think this is a case of Japan invading the US consumer electronic markets, once again, like they did with transistor radios, color TV's and pretty much everything else.

      $10,000 for a share of stock in technology that's actually prooven and hot, will probably start carving great chunks of market from the lazy existing vendors, well that's a deal, see? After all the money thrown at companies that are now bust or at <$10 a share, you get the picture. The stock sold because the heavyweight investors know it, NTT knows it, why bother offering stock to small fish?

      I fully expect cell phone providers to run to the government to head this off, same as the big 3 automakers did, so innovatively, in the 70's.

      Oh, and since your phone is a Kyocera, you might look to see if they offer any upgrades, since Kyocera is a japanese electronics company, after all ;)

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    3. Re:Can't Catch Up by infiniti99 · · Score: 2

      What else do cell vendors need to do to "get their shit together"?

      Erm, standardization?

      This Japan stuff might be nifty-cool, but to me it seems more like YAP (Yet Another Protocol), something we are not lacking at all here in the USA. Honestly, I'd rather see the USA go all-GSM, and upgrade to the latest enhancements like HSCSD and GPRS. Fortunately AT&T has moved in this direction, as I have heard rumors of shared GSM towers here in California (finally some GSM competition for you Cingular!), and apparently they did a small GPRS deployment in Washington. Ironically, Cingular (a current GSM provider), has not shown any sign of advancing. But then what do you expect from a company that barely even promotes their data services?

      Too bad "3G" isn't actually a protocol, but rather a nice buzzword to represent the next step that all of the currently incompatible networks (GSM, Sprint, Verizon, Japan, Analogue, AT&T) take.

    4. Re:Can't Catch Up by Donald+R.+Weimann · · Score: 1

      What does Erm mean or is it a misspelling?

    5. Re:Can't Catch Up by ScumBiker · · Score: 2

      If all you want to do is use your cellphone as a telephone, fine. Why did you even pay $99 for it? Hell, there's plenty of free (with service contract) phones out there. I personally want a phone I can use to plan my time, play games, send and recieve email, get pages, and oh yea! send and recive phone calls. My current phone is close, but no paging. As in having the coverage a regular pager has. We're gettin there though.

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    6. Re:Can't Catch Up by Uart · · Score: 1

      I don't know about California, but here in NJ Cingular is definitely not GSM. Voicestream is the only American GSM provider that I know of.

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    7. Re:Can't Catch Up by infiniti99 · · Score: 2

      Intentional. "Erm" is a cross between "Err" and "Hrm".

    8. Re:Can't Catch Up by Squeeze+Truck · · Score: 2

      iMode and iAppli are fairly standardized. I forget the name of the protocol, but iMode pages are written in stripped-down PHP code. iAppli is Java. Both standards are open.

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  10. The Troll Haiku by Commienst · · Score: -1

    Salty donkey balls
    In CmdrTaco's mouth
    How he likes the taste.

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  11. Japan invades the US again? by thogard · · Score: 1

    NTT is about to do to Motorola what Sony did to them 2 decades ago.

    The DoCoMo phones are so far ahead of what complacent US companies have been spewing out. Hopeful this time Motorola will wake up before they have to kill off another profitable industry like they did with their TV and radio divisions

    1. Re:Japan invades the US again? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      This isn't just about Motorola, its about the gap between the phone makers and the service providers. It's big enough that NTT plans to drive a truck through it. If this was already a truly competitive market, they'd stay home. The japanese have demonstrated time and again the vulnerabilities of american markets, because american companies won't work together, or can't, then come in as an alternative (since competition already exists) and run the table. You'd think if anyone saw this as a problem they'd stop with the anti-dumping laws and the industry would get it's sh!t together.

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    2. Re:Japan invades the US again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, you only use them if you enjoy being tracked and having everything about you sold...

    3. Re:Japan invades the US again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://threegmobile.uhome.net/gallery/motorola2002 / If you will take a look there motorola is definitely in the game all these phones will be available in north america and all over the world mid 2002 motorola definitely knows what they are doing, they can't do much in the US because 1 Gsm sucks here 2 3g is a so called joke here also but as a world wide competitor they are definitely up there, also would like to say motorola tends to stay away from gimmicky cell phone ideas and prefers to let people get good quality cell phones other than be bought buy someone looking for gimmicks

  12. spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you know they track everything you say in order to provide "Better advertisment tailored to your needs"

  13. Imode... what ever... by Gamepad · · Score: 1

    I can't understand what is this buzz with Imode, it really isn't so speacial in technical terms. Only reason why press and ingnorent people keep talking about Imode is that Imode has made it in Japan. And because of this, many say Imode is coming and we should forget about Wap etc... Reason for Imode's succes was it's billing scheme. You didn't have to pay by the time but by what services you used. In Europe Wap didn't make it because of billing. Now with GRPS-network and billing based on data transfer rates and usage of services, things are quite bit similar with Imode. Maybe in america people start to use more their mobile phones with introduction of Imode and it's billing scheme. But from European perspective, there isn't really a news. And one thing about phones. Many have seen and been talking about Japanese wonder phones that can do all kind of things including video comminucation. I must say that one reason we hear don't have those kind of phones is that it's not economical for mobile phone manufactures to sell phones with advanched technology. Your basic Nokia phone has technology build years ago. Just repackaged in a new fold to justify new high price for the phone. Of course Nokia has many models that have advanched features, but well... it's not economical to make them public... so... I will end my complaining and just say... Just talk more with your mobile phone, just buy new models, it keeps me working ;-)

    1. Re:Imode... what ever... by thogard · · Score: 2

      I've got a GPRS phone (a Nokia 8310) and so far I have not been able to use it on two of the three networks in Australia. I've got a GPRS PCMICA card and its about the same story. Untill I see it work, I'm putting GPRS in the same category as Ponds and Fleischmann's cold fusion.

      The rate I should be paying (assuming it worked), is AU$.22/1000 bytes. I figure thats about about US$117 per megabyte or about 60,000 times what wireless data should cost based on other services.

      Imode works and people can afford it to do the routine things they want to do. Thats why its good.

    2. Re:Imode... what ever... by Chang · · Score: 2

      Dude, the buzz is that i-Mode has two great things going for it.

      The equipment rocks. Cell phones in Japan make European phones look like a joke (not to mention the sad phones in the US)

      The content is there. Docomo did an excellent job lining up content providers at the launch and this situation is even better now. Many of the content providers are getting paid for usage thanks to the billing infrastructure Docomo has set up.) Also, setting a compact HMTL web page is very easy and the major website software packages include cHTML capability in the box.

      i-Mode's success won't directly translate to other markets, but I still believe it will be successful relative to the alternatives.

    3. Re:Imode... what ever... by dotBeldin · · Score: 1
      I must say that one reason we hear don't have those kind of phones is that it's not economical for mobile phone manufactures to sell phones with advanched technology.
      It would have been economical if the networks wasn't using ancient GSM-technology..

      It's my oppinion that GPRS won't stand a chance put up against I-mode. The GPRS-standard has potential, but for it to reach the speeds it are capable of the GSM-networks needs upgrading (big time!). Since GPRS uses the GSM-networks it has to compete for bandwidth with normal phone calls and SMS traffic. As long as there are few users no phone-company are going to dedicate bandwidth to GPRS when the network is already in dire need of upgrading. With only a small amount of bandwidth available you won't get much speed on GPRS phones, and this will effect the demand for phones with GPRS support.

      I-mode on the other hand starts from scratch, starting with coverage in the big cities and expanding from there. At the same time the market is flooded with cheap, colorfull and fancy devices with loads of online services.

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      .beldin
    4. Re:Imode... what ever... by hansdegraaff · · Score: 1
      GPRS is simply an extension of GSM. Upgrading the network is mostly a matter of upgrading the software in the base stations. As for competition of GPRS packets with phone calls, this can be done dynamically based on the current demand for traffic. When I was testing GPRS s i-mode is not tied to a specific bearer technology, as long as it is packet-based. i-mode can be implemented on top of GPRS (Europe, US) as well as PDC-P (Japan). So a combination of i-mode and GPRS is useful.

      What you are describing in the last paragraph sound more like the FOMA service based on 3G. i-mode can and does work on top of that as well.

    5. Re:Imode... what ever... by JW555 · · Score: 1

      As an aside, a major reason the content to i-mode and the business model is so good is that the editor in chief, Mari Matsunaga, was specifically chosen for having never used the internet and hating mobile phones! She previously worked editing classified ads mags, so good at lots of info in a small space.

    6. Re:Imode... what ever... by Squeeze+Truck · · Score: 2

      True, true.

      I have a DoCoMo 503i, which is just one generation behind state-of-the art.

      It has a full-color display, sends and recieves email (of course), has iMode internet access (I have /. bookmarked, and can read in on the train), iAppli which is for games and stuff, (but I don't use it because you have to pay for all the good downloads).

      Then the optional add-ons:
      I got a USB adapter that attaches to the bottom and lets me attach it to my laptop, which works as a portable modem (only 56k, but broadband phones should be available Real Soon Now). It also lets me up and download content to the phone (haven't done much with this.)
      You can also get a digital camera that fits into the speaker jack. You can set pictures you take as your "wallpaper", or attach them to emails or web form submissions.

      I had a brief contract with an iMode content provider here in Japan who ran a sort of sex-chat BBS. My job was to go through the database and delete all the pictures of people's genitals that they took with their phone-camera while on the john, on the train, etc. (Blatant offers of prostitution and pictures of naughty bits were against the site's policy.)

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      "Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao

    7. Re:Imode... what ever... by TheInternet · · Score: 2

      I can't understand what is this buzz with Imode, it really isn't so speacial in technical terms.

      The technical design really doesn't matter consumers. It's what it gives them. If they get content and features they want, they will buy it. The problem is that what slashdotters want is often different from the general public.

      - Scott

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      Tree House Ideas
    8. Re:Imode... what ever... by dotBeldin · · Score: 1
      You are right about the upgrade to GRPS, but what I meant was that when the network is already strained to its limits, it will need an upgrade before any serious use of GPRS is possible. And due to the nature of regular phone signals GPRS will always loose if time-slots are dedicated dynamically.

      But on the part of I-mode I stand corrected.. :) But I'm not sure about I-mode over GPRS, I-Mode needs a fast network to become a hit in Europe.. But time will tell.. :)

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    9. Re:Imode... what ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are of course completely uninformed. What made the I-mode special and popular in Japan was the handy features enabled in I-mode that cannot be performed on the stone-age crapola that Motorola keeps farting out and pretending that its an innovator. I-mode came out in 1999 with color LCD browser. Now this by itself is not all that innovative - putting web browsing capability on a telephone screen. The best part about I-mode was the content. I find out from my telephone the up-to-the minute status of the trains and subways, check for alternate routes, get a listing of restaurants near my location by type, expense, or distance complete with directions, find out activities in my area if I needed to kill time, etc etc etc. I could also purchase an N501-i (the largest screen Imode at that time, new ones are better) complete with contract down in front of Ueno station for about $60 USD, as opposed to the ~$120 USD that you shelled out for that monstrous precambrian POS startak (I laugh at anyone who has paid money for such a highly priced POS worth about $10 at most. You wouldn't even be able to unload such an obviously outdated albatross in Japan even to the homeless). Yes, the billing scheme was convenient as well. But what drives Imode really is content and functionality, something missing from both Startak phones and your posts.

  14. 2.5G in Be, De, Nl by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Not 3G in Belgium, Germany, and Netherlands. The Reuters securities article is junk information unless all you want is financials. Here's an article which tells a little more about what's happening.

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  15. No, not really 'Damn' by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    $10,000 per stock O.O...

    ...um... That's cutting off a large share of investors...

    This stock isn't targeted at Joe 401K or Jane eTrade, it's targetted buyers are the likes of Morgan Stanley, who will buy because it'll be worth 10x that in a couple years. There's no point in offering shares to small investors on a move of this magnitude.

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  16. The Wide Art Of Cunnilingus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    INTRODUCTION

    .Eating .a .womans .pussy .is .about .the .most .wonderful .thing .you .can .do .for .her .STOP .It .makes .her .feel .loved .admired .sexy .and .of .course .it .makes .her .cum .like .crazy .STOP .Many .women .prefer .it .to .intercourse .and .for .most .it .is .the .easiest .way .to .cum .with .a .man .STOP .You .may .have .the .littlest .dick .on .the .planet .but .if .you .give .great .head .you .will .be .appreciated .as .a .fabulous .lover .STOP .Yes .its .that .important .STOP .Besides .lots .of .women .expect .it .these .days .you .might .as .well .know .what .youre .doing .STOP .First .off .guys .seem .to .have .a .strange .love .hate .relationship .with .womens .genitalia .STOP .Guys .that .cant .wait .to .get .their .dick .into .one .are .often .reluctant .to .put .their .face .down .there .STOP .For .every .guy .who .says .he .loves .to .eat .pussy .theres .another .one .whos .squeamish .STOP .Women .know .this .and .it .affects .their .ability .to .lay .back .and .enjoy .the .experience .STOP .There .is .nothing .more .exciting .to .a .woman .than .to .know .that .her .partner .finds .her .delicious .STOP .Dont .be .coy .tell .her .STOP .When .a .guy .fingers .a .lady .and .then .smells .licks .sucks .the .juice .off .his .finger .and .sighs .as .if .in .heaven .she .knows .this .is .her .lucky .day

    What if your sweet lady doesn't smell or taste very sweet? Don't suffer. (Don't complain, either.) Take a nice hot shower or bath together. Lather up both of your bodies and slide them together. It's like a whole body fuck. Soap up her vulva, washing between her outer and inner lips. Spread her lips apart and gently wash her clitoris. Hey, don't stop - this feels great! Run your soapy hand down the crack of her ass, and rub a finger all around her anus. You can stick one finger in and wash around inside too, if you anticipate any anal play, and I suggest you do. But don't put those soapy fingers up her vagina. Instead, rinse them off well and stick one or two inside, making a circular motion. Think about washing the inside of a tall glass - same thing. Now wasn't that fun? And now you can feel free to let your tongue wander anywhere it pleases...

    So now what? You've found a comfy spot to play, you've been kissing passionately, your tongues darting around each other's mouths like playful otters. You've moved down to nibble one of her hardening nipples and she's starting to groan, grinding her pelvis against your stomach. STOP. I know it was just starting to get good. But was she really groaning and humping you, or was it your own excitement you were detecting? I strongly prefer to be excited before a guy starts plunging his tongue into my inner recesses. Use your judgement, and kiss, lick, and fondle your way down her stomach, up her thighs, until she's arching up her back trying to get you to eat her. Of course, if she really was groaning and grinding, go for it... I also don't particularly enjoy a guy endlessly nibbling my inner thigh while my clit is quivering in anticipation.

    POSITIONS

    If the woman you are with is somewhat hesitant about your going down on her, start off with her lying on her back, perhaps half-sitting. Lay down between her legs, with her legs over your shoulders. She may enjoy laying or sitting at the edge of the bed with you kneeling. She can also straddle your face, but be prepared to get very wet. There are endless varieties of positions where you can press your face up to her cunt, some of which strike me as more acrobatic than erotic, but feel free to experiment. And then there's 69...

    69 is one of my favorite positions. On the plus side, you both get to enjoy the sublime sensations of getting head, simultaneously. The upside down positioning of a woman's pussy and your mouth is an easy fit and there's more room for your hands. On the negative side, it's a less than ideal position for a woman to give head. Plus, if you need to read this article, you may be better off concentrating your energies on pleasing her, without too much distraction. But even for experienced 69'ers, it's easy to short-change your partner. "It feels soooo good, I'm just gonna stop for a second and concentrate on what you're...aaaarrrgghhh". Get the picture? Some show of will-power is in order.

    69 can be done male on top, female on top, or side by side. The latter two are easier, though it's more restful with both partners laying down. Some women love being licked on all fours, so if female-on-top 69 drives her wild, take the hint and find some other ways to eat her in this position. I happen to enjoy male on top, but for many women this is a sure choking position. If a woman can, or wants to try, to deep throat you, this is THE position. When her head is thrust back you can really slide your cock all the way down her throat. But don't forget what you're supposed to be doing!

    So there you are staring at it - the mysterious hole from whence you came, and into which you hope to cum again... First, an anatomy lesson...

    THE CLITORIS

    Before I go any further, a few words about the clitoris, accent on the first syllable. Most of you know it, but for those who don't, it is THE woman's sex organ, period. It may feel great to be fucked vaginally, anally or otherwise, but if the stimulation is not right there, on the clitoris, you're ignoring the place that's going to make her cum, and presumably that's why you're reading this, right? It's right there at the top juncture of her inner lips, a small knob of pink flesh. This is where it's at boys, and don't forget it. Almost any licking and sucking of the labia or vaginal entrance is going to feel just dandy; just remember that this is pleasurable teasing, not the main event. I can't tell you how many guys have thrust their tongues up my vagina thinking that this was going to make me cum. They were wrong. Of course, with a little manual stimulation....but I'm getting ahead of myself.

    Women feel differently about how much direct stimulation they can take on their clitoris. Some women will adore it if you suck hard on their exposed clits, others will shriek in pain. You may encounter a woman who is completely unable to take direct stimulation of her clit; the goal is still the same, but you'll have to stimulate it indirectly, such as through her labia. IMPORTANT NOTE: Often, what is unacceptably rough at first may be fine after she's very excited. The fact is, most women really need a good bit of stimulation before a targeted attack on their clitoris, but once they're there, that's where you want to devote your attention.

    The key here is go slow, ask questions, and if she's comfortable with it, leave the lights on and really explore. Body language often does tell what feels best, but I promise, she will appreciate your attentiveness if you ask outright. If she seems shy, get her to guide your hands and mouth with her own hand, and pay attention. If she starts bucking up against your mouth and gasping in ragged little breaths, for God's sake, don't use this opportunity to try something different. Just keep doing exactly what you're doing.

    THE TONGUE

    I want to reiterate, there is almost nothing you can do that won't feel terrific, so relax! I promise, you may be confused and uncertain, but she's in heaven. Any licking and sucking of the labia, vaginal entrance, clitoris, or anal area is going to feel just great, and I'd no sooner tell guys to "do it exactly like this" than I would tell every chef to follow the same recipe. But for those who are compelled to RTFM, here are a few techniques that you might like to try:

    Try lapping her pussy from vaginal entrance up to her clit, leaving your tongue soft and jaw relaxed. This is a good way to start your tonguing.
    Run your tongue between the inner and outer labia on one side, while holding the two together with your lips. Good job, now do the other side.
    Fuck her pussy with your tongue - in and out, around and around, etc. This feels nice. Not wonderful or incredible or earth-shaking; nice.
    Spread her outer lips with your hand. Then, with your tongue pointed and stiff, gently flick here and there. Feel free to roam, but keep coming back to her clit. This drives some women wild, and others can't take it. Some may prefer that you always leave your tongue soft, so when you try this, pay attention to whether those moans are ecstacy or pain.
    The following techniques should not be introduced until your partner is really hot (i.e. she's no longer coherent). These are very intense actions which may be "too much" for some women, even when nearing orgasm.

    With her clit still exposed, give it a quick little suck - pulling it into your mouth briefly and letting it go. This is a lot like licking a bit of cake batter off of your pinky. This feels incredible, and is a fine thing to do if you feel like torturing her (see PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER below).
    Take her exposed clit into your mouth and gently (at first, anyway) suck on it, simultaneously flicking your tongue over and around it. This can be done very lightly or very aggressively, and combined with fingering, will usually rapidly produce an intense orgasm.
    Another choice technique involves rolling your tongue into a tube. If you can't do this with your tongue, you can't learn it - it's genetic. For those who can, this works best in an inverted or 69 position. Roll your tongue into a tube around the shaft of her clitoris. Slide it up and down; in effect, your tongue makes a tiny pussy for her clit to fuck. This also is likely to bring her over the edge.
    FINGERS
    Fingers are a valuable adjunct to eating pussy. Most women masturbate by pressing a finger or fingers over their clit, possibly "thru" the skin of their inner or outer lips, and vigorously rubbing in a circular or back-and-forth direction. You can do this too, and it is most helpful to ask, or better yet, have her show you how she likes it done. You will never be a good lover until you can bring your woman to climax with your hands. When you fuck her from behind, or up her ass, or really in any position which doesn't allow her to simultaneously rub her vulva against your body, reach down or around and rub her clit. I know it's distracting, but just do it anyway. One important point to note: make sure that your fingers are well lubricated. There is nothing more uncomfortable (and sometimes downright painful) than a dry finger roughly rubbed across one's clitoris.

    Of course, that's not all you can do with your fingers. One technique which is very exciting is to spread her lips wide apart with one hand, and with your index finger straight like a pencil, flick the side of it rapidly across her clit. This motion alone will often bring a woman to orgasm. Combining this with the addition of some tongue action elsewhere is nothing short of bliss.

    Sticking one or more fingers inside her vagina is also wonderful. You can simply move them in and out (this feels best with at least two or three fingers, pushed in hard), or wriggling them around. A particularly intense motion is to face your hand so that you have two fingers inside her with your palm facing the front of her body. Now move your fingers rapidly, as if waving hello. You are aiming to stimulate a particular part of the woman's vagina - namely the lower anterior (front) part. When combined with sucking her clit, this is nearly certain to bring her to a fast and intense climax.

    An excellent way to begin manual stimulation is to stick one (and later two) fingers inside her, with your palm cupped over the mons area. I'm talking about that fleshy "mound" over her pubic bone. Your finger goes in and out and the ball of your hand is pressed hard against her vulva. You may want to rub or even shake the entire area with your palm.

    Fingers also do nice things to tight little butt holes, but that's a whole other story...

    ANAL PLAY

    This stuff is purely optional. If anal play doesn't turn you on, don't do it. If you're uncomfortable, she'll pick up on your feelings and start wondering if it's her pussy that's turning you off. Don't feel that you can't be a good lover without anal play; you can.

    Cleanliness is of the essence. (remember that nice soapy shower?) Scoop out some luscious juices (from a very wet pussy) with your finger and rub it around her anus. (If she isn't well lubricated, saliva works too.) If that's all you or she feels comfortable with, fine - it still feels great. But I think most women enjoy the feel of a finger pushed up their ass while they're being fucked or eaten. You need to be gentle, possibly even leaving your finger still. Try moving it in and out a little, or around in a circle. If she starts moaning, you know you're doing something right.

    It's really fun to feel a woman's anus rhythmically squeezing your finger as she cums. (And it's great for her, too) You're probably thinking about what that would feel like around your dick, and it's something you should certainly explore. Ass-fucking is somewhat out of the scope of this article, but suffice to say, if she doesn't like a finger up her butt, she sure as hell won't want your big dick up there. Even if she does enjoy this sort of play, she may still be somewhat apprehensive about putting something so large up there. The keys to success are sufficient (i.e. copious amounts of) lubrication (a water-soluble type such as K-Y, which is safe for condoms), relaxation on her part, and a slow, gentle, approach. She'll certainly tell you if she wants you to thrust harder or deeper. And remember, if you want to feel that delicious squeezing around your cock, reach around and diddle that clit!

    As for anallingus - why not? Don't feel like you HAVE to do it to satisfy your woman. But if the idea turns you on, great. Let your tongue rove as it pleases. It's not necessary to actually put your tongue inside her butt to stimulate the area. Back and forth, around and around, you get the picture.

    One hygiene note: once that finger (or your penis) has been inside her ass, don't even think about putting it anywhere else. Carelessness in this regard can cause a horrendous infection.

    MENSTRUATION

    I haven't met a lot of men who are completely comfortable going down on a woman when she has her period. But some are. Most women are at their horniest before and sometimes during their period. You should definitely find a way to make her cum when she's bleeding, be it thru intercourse, manual, or oral stimulation. If you feel comfortable going down on her, great. It's perfectly safe. You may suggest that she insert a tampon, and then wash up. (As you now know, you don't need to get anywhere near her vagina to make her cum.) Or you could lay down a few old towels, turn out the lights, and forget about it.

    PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER

    I think variety is crucial. Some guy posted an article detailing a road map of kissing and licking (first here, then here, etc.) Much better to do the unexpected; sometimes a hungry, aggressive approach, other times a laid-back, leisurely one. You can even even include your nose, or your chin into the act. Start slow, that's the key, and let your lover guide the speed of the crescendo. In all cases, start gently. Roughness and clumsiness are big turn-offs. As she gets more and more excited, pay more attention to her clitoris. When she's three breathes away from cumming, moving your mouth off or away from her clit is agony. That's fine if you're intentionally torturing her, just understand that this is what you are doing. The only prohibition is to be reasonably gentle with her clit. Nibbling or biting is fine elsewhere, but we're talking about a sensitive spot.

    Speaking of prolonging the agony... I think this is great fun. Bring your partner just to the edge of orgasm, and stop. This is not easy unless you really know your lover well. Instead, just have her help you. Say, "Grab my head and stop me just before you think you're gonna cum." Then take your sweet time. Blow on her clit, take it into your mouth just briefly, flick it just the very slightest bit. You will have this woman squirming and moaning like she's dying. Finger her deeply, enjoy the ecstasy you are imparting, and finally, have pity. Let the poor woman cum.

    UUUUNNNNGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!! (or, I'M COMING!!!)

    Okay, she's practically suffocating you, she's pressed so hard against your face; she's screaming and bucking up in the air; you feel her pussy contracting wildly - how long should you keep it up?? The simple answer is, until she makes you stop. Some women may stop you after five seconds from the start of their climax, others may be able to roll right into another orgasm if you keep going. Do come up for air, but remember, her excitement does not drop off as sharply as yours does. Play it safe by continuing the stimulation.

    How many times does she need to cum? Some women are very content to have one orgasm. A whole lot of women would really like to cum again, but need about five minutes to recoup. Many women are so sensitive right after they cum that they may push your head violently away. This doesn't necessarily mean they've had enough, only that you need to stop for a few minutes. In fact most women, given a short rest between, are capable of cumming again and again. A smaller percentage of women are able to cum repeatedly with continued stimulation. This is the much-touted multiple-orgasm that is experienced by a minority of women. I know this makes it difficult to know when enough is enough, but there's a simple answer: ask her.

    GODI'MSOEXCITEDITFEELSGREATBUTIJUSTCAN'TCOME

    It happens to all of us sometimes - distraction, embarrassment, anxiety, or just an inability to "let go". What do you do about it? The first question is, can she easily bring herself to a climax in the privacy of her own home. If the answer is no - then she needs to do some homework. There are two books on the subject that I know of: For Yourself: The Fulfillment of Female Sexuality by Lonnie Barbach, and Sex for One: The Joy of Selfloving by Betty Dodson; pick up one. Then tell her to read it, study it, and practice, practice, practice!

    Now if your partner is orgasmic only when alone - ask her point blank: "Is there something different I can do?" Many women are shy about criticizing their lovers, but if asked outright will surprise you with a very specific answer. It may be a simple matter of mechanics, like a little to right please, or not so rough, or more pressure and faster. Ah... perfect.

    But suppose everything is wonderful. She says you're doing everything right but she just can't cum. There are two probable causes: selfconsciousness and/or self-loathing. For women who can't help watching themselves, the best approach is to eliminate anything that focuses her attention on what the two of you are doing. This is a "be here now" kind of thing - definitely not an introspective activity. Get that mirror off the ceiling. Dim the lights or turn them off completely. Put on some soft music. Share a glass of port. (I said A glass - getting drunk will definitely not help). Have her lay on her back, or propped up comfortably with some pillows. This is not the time for her to sit on your face, or the edge of the bed, or standing up against a wall. Arrange a time when you can devote a long period to eating her pussy, and then just keep it up. Forget everything I said about asking her questions - just close your eyes and get into it. I know this can be a difficult and exhausting exercise, but she will be extravagantly thankful for your efforts. It gets easier each time. If all else fails, get accustomed to masturbating together. Gradually begin to add your stimulation to her own, right before she's about to cum anyway. Over time, you can take over completely.

    For women who themselves feel that their cunts are dirty or distasteful, all of the above methods may be helpful, but the underlying issue must also be addressed. I am amazed at how many women are ambivalent about their own genitals. They don't love "that part" of their body, and they can't believe that you would either. Yes, it is important to be clean. But clean means a daily shower which includes washing the vulva. It doesn't mean vainly attempting to remove every trace of smell or taste. The natural fragrance and secretions of a healthy woman are beautiful and erotic. Hopefully you agree (and if not, try hard to cultivate this attitude). When she learns to love her pussy, she will be infinitely more comfortable with your loving it too.

    How to Eat Pussy

    Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out. When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's not going to let go of too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows it. She won't even tell her girlfriends about it or that guy will become the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got it made.

    Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her legs.

    Now stop and look at what you see. Beautiful, isn't it? There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy. I know. I've seen plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and tell her what makes her special.

    Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it.

    Now look at it again. Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin.

    Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of it's own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled.

    Approach her pussy slowly. Women, even more so than men, love to be teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it.

    Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit.

    Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.

    Tongue-fuck her. This feels define. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of it's covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up tot he top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience it's presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin.

    Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder. When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!'

    There's a reason for that, most men stop too soon. Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him.

    But back to your pussy eating session...There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, curing or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking.

    Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing.

    She'll let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one who's nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.

    When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now.

    If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.

    The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, make her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex.

    Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

    Female Oral Sex Techniques

    TASTE:

    In my experience, one of the main reasons that partners avoid female oral sex is due to a percieved or even experienced poor taste. While it is true that women run the range from pleasant (tasty!) to sour or uric tasting, there are easy steps to ensure that your partner will be tasting her sweetest.

    First and most obviously, a good vigorous shower will do much to neutralize the taste of your partner. In fact, oral sex in the shower, while not a favorite method of mine, has a completely neutral taste if you stick to the upper regions of your partner's sex. If your partner has not showered recently, or has physically exerted herself recently, her taste will be much stronger. This, however, can be a good thing!

    Secondly, foreplay will improve upon both the taste and the experience in general if your can get her juices flowing. I have never found an extremely aroused, wet woman to taste unpleasant. Quite the contrary!

    FOREPLAY:

    Do it! Take your time! Have fun! Experiment! A common male misunderstanding is that females are aroused most through physical contact. Not true. I have aroused women greatly simply by acting sexy. Tension is a wonderful tool, use it. If you can build tension to the point where the barest touch sends electric shivers through both of you, you can't lose! Similarly, even the best love techniques will not turn on a woman who isn't in the mood. (If you can get her in the mood, well then you're talking.)

    Take your time, explore your partner (there's a lot more there than nipples and a clitoris!), build tension, have fun.

    POSITIONS:

    There are two basic positions that I have found very versitile and succesful. For a very comfortable session, have her lie on her back with legs spread and knees bent slightly. Lie on your stomach between her legs, put your right arm under her left leg and your left arm under her right - somewhat of an intimate hug. Now you should find your head situated conveniently and comfortably near the center of your attention.

    Less comfortable, but a bit wilder is the following. Lie on your back, prop a couple of pillows (or fold one over) under your head. Have your partner kneel facing you with one knee on each side of your head, above your shoulders. The sexy part of this position (IMHO) is that your partner can look down at you and watch you eating her out. (Yum) Versatility and comfort are reduced for the giver, so I only occasionally partake in this position.

    These are by no means the only positions. Again, experiment, have fun. If you can find a bed where your partner can lie down with her legs dangling off the bed and resting flat on the floor, you're in luck. Now you can have her sit just at the edge of the bed, lie back, and give you plenty of access while you kneel/sit in front of her sex.

    GEOGRAPHY:

    Woman are very different in some respects of their genitalia, but the major parts are the same. A woman's sex from the oral sex point of view consists of two sets of lips (outer and inner) that meet just below the vaginal opening and some variable distance above the clitoris; the vaginal opening (immediately above the nether meeting of above-mentioned lips), a smooth section of skin between the vaginal opening and the clitoris (I have no clue as to its technical name, hereafter it will be refered to as the "scav") and the clitoris and its surrounding folds.

    If you get the chance, explore your partner in a location with decent lighting. Use your hand to spread her sex and explore her, find out what's where and what's what. Like I said earlier, women are different. Especially the location and shape of the clitoris. It can be buried, protruding, surrounded by many folds of flesh, or hanging out it the open. The best method I have found for finding your partner's clitoris (If all else fails, ask!), is to place a finger at the very base of her sex and gently run it up her scav until you feel a slight bump. That's it.

    OK, ENOUGH OF THE DETAILS, NOW THE NITTY-GRITTY:

    So your partner is showered, excited and feeling sexy. It's the big moment, what to do? Don't simply dive in. Take your time, excite her. In my opinion, I can usually tell how good my partner is at oral sex by how she "goes down" on me. By "going down" I mean the process by which she goes from kising my lips to sucking oh-so-wonderfully on my sex.

    Depending on your partner, different methods of going down will work more effectively. If you've gotten to this point with your partner, you should have a fair idea of what she likes. Take advantage of that knowledge. One thing that I highly recommend however, is a sexy look. Sexy looks can make all the difference, and the best place to throw one in is as you're licking, sucking and kissing your way down her stomach stop, look up and smile devilishly.

    Unbutton your partners jean's, pull the tabs back and kiss her newly exposed flesh. Unzip her pants, pull the tabs back as far as they can go and place light, tender kisses on her abdomen and around the top of her panties. Watch it, some women are very ticklish here!

    (Note the above doesn't work so well if she doesn't have jeans on but you're all smart enough to figure it out...) Once you've removed everything but her panties, stop. You have a unique opportunity for further arousal. Kiss her legs and inner thighs with gentle kisses. Work your way up each leg and make a point of stopping at the line of her underwear. Kiss again along the top of her underwear, and along the other two borders.

    Now move to her cotton (silk? lace? latex?) covered sex. Plant firm, dry kisses through her underwear on her sex, low and right around the vaginal entrance works best for me. If your partner is really excited, often her underwear will be damp and will smell (pleasantly) of her sex.

    Removing the underwear is again a matter of choice. You know your partner best, I prefer either gently sliding it all the way off with my fingers, or pulling it part way down with my teeth first.

    DIRECT KISSING:

    It is not unusual for your partner's lips to be closed together. A very excited woman's lips may be slightly spread allready ("pouting"). Again, building tension can be accomplished by light kisses on either side of her sex as well as light blowing. (Do not inflate your partner! This can be very dangerous!!) Spreading her lips can be accomplished by placing your tongue first at the base of her sex, and then firmly running your tongue all the way up. Continue with a few long licks from the base of her sex all the way to the top past her clitoris. Vary the firmness of your tongue from hard and pointed to broad and soft.

    THE BIG "O":

    The best and most proven method of making your partner cum through oral sex is by repeated, rythmic stroking of her clitoris with your tongue. The tongue is uniquely suited for this purpose because of it's texture, versatility, and pliability. It is difficult (and tiring) to apply too much pressure to your partner's clitoris. Some women are much more sensitive than others however. Be receptive to any sharp gasps, you could be being too affectionate. If this is the case, move away from direct contact or adopt a gentler technique.

    Repeated, rythmic stroking can be accomplished in a variety of ways. I prefer either rapid, repeated verticle licks with a firm, pointed tongue, or planting your tongue firmly against your partner's clitoris and vigorously shaking your head back and forth. (Tiring, maybe. But it's worth it!) If you are having trouble finding the correct angle or method for rhythmically lingually carresing her clitoris, or if you want to try something fun and new:

    Toungue the abc's. No seriously! This is a great oral excercise on any part of the body. Toungue the abc's starting with lower case, and moving though upper case. (Heck, you could do the whole ANSI ASCII set if you'd like!) Be especially perceptive while you do this, vary your speed and watch for sharp intakes of breath - chances are you've hit the right angle. The abc's give a large variety of different strokes, so come back to this excersize as often as you'd like.

    A general rule of thumb (tongue?) is to start slow and pick up the pace as you go along. This is definately a general rule though, feel free to break it by varying your rhythm, both slowly and predictably as well as quickly and startlingly.

    OTHER FUN THINGS TO DO:

    Lick between the inner and outer lips; penetrate the vagina deeply (a much stronger, iron-like taste here); "tease" the entrance to her vagina with rapid pokes of your toungue at varying depths; don't forget your hands, often a woman will feel a need or ache for something inside of her while very aroused, oblige her with a finger or two. Both kissing and manually manipulating your partner is tough, anyone with succesful methods is welcome to pipe in.

    Talk to your partner, ask her what she likes. Experiment (if you can) with many different partners. What excites one woman a lot may not excite another as much, but may still be well worth trying. On the other hand, you may not notice a subtle pleasurable technique on one woman that can be easily learned on another. The better you know your parnter, the more effectively you can please her. Have fun!

    A FINAL NOTE:

    I tried to be a lot less pretentious than the male version of this article for a few reasons. The major one is that women are very different, the above suggestions may work wonderfully with one woman and so-so with another. Some women simply aren't responsive to oral sex due to strong moral constraints. Secondly, I am not an expert, though I love oral sex and have had the joy of pleasuring 10-20 women. Third, I am still young (18) and have a lot to learn.

    So feel free to comment on what you've read (men and women) and reply either over the net or to me personally. Thanks. Hope you found this helpfull and enjoy!

    Q. What is cunnilingus?

    Cunnilingus is the fine art of making love to a vagina with your mouth and tongue. It is a delicate skill, requiring patience, practice, and dedication to get it right, but any woman you learn to do it right for will appreciate you all the more for it.

    What applies to the penis applies to the vulva-- every one is different, requiring a different touch to make its owner happy. But few tools can equal the tongue for the amount of pleasure it can deliver to a happy vagina.

    This article assumes that you know what a vulva looks like and can identify with some precision the mons veneris, labia majora, clitoral hood, clitoris, labia minora, urethra, vagina, and perineum, to name them (approximately) from top to bottom.

    Q. How fast should I go?

    This isn't an attack. Don't go after the clitoris like a fireman attacking a fire. Quite often at first, the clitoris is far too sensitive for direct stimulation. Lick around it, stimulating the hood, teasing her inner labia, tasting her. Take your time and listen to her. Some women make noise, and some do not. It will be a while before you learn exactly what your lover prefers as far as oral sex is concerned.

    Some women may like additional stimulation-- a finger or two into the vagina, or perhaps even the anus. She may want your hands to reach up and play with her breasts, or she may want your fingers to hold her labia apart so that your tongue can get at her vulva more directly.

    Q. I've heard cunnilingus doesn't taste good.

    If the taste or smell bothers you or is a concern, ask her to wash first. Most people who enjoy cunnilingus agree that a clean vagina is a good, if acquired, taste.

    As a woman nears her climax, she may want more direct stimulation. In general, fast, rhythmic stimulation is most effective at causing climax-- but there shouldn't be a rush to get there. Take your time and learn to appreciate what you can do for her.

    Q. What about cunnilingus during menstruation?

    Some people are particularly turned off at the suggestion of cunnilingus during menstruation. If it is a concern to you, then wait. A tampon may well hold the blood back, as will a diaphragm, but some men can't stand the taste anyway. If your partner is healthy, however, there is no particular danger in menstrual blood, and some women find that orgasms during their periods allievate cramps.

    In my experience, when you try to explain to a man "in the moment" that he is doing oral sex (or sometimes anything) wrong, often the result is a disaster. You aren't into it, because you are trying to direct, and I guess for many guys it comes off as simply insulting. It isn't a very "supportive process," to borrow a friend's phraseology.

    Example: "No, not there,...there..." (Quizzical looks, no change in behavior.)

    Now, if you go looking for diagrams of women's vaginas, you will find yourself either looking at medical textbooks or special references, such as Our Bodies, Ourselves --- which, is presented as a "for women only" sort of thing. The original edition even gave this little rap to men about not buying it "for" women. Yeesh! Good book, but talk about "attitude." The new edition has thankfully dropped this negative proscription.

    You will sometimes NOT even find a clear picture of a woman's vagina in a general sex reference, such as the original The Joy of Sex. And you won't find a discussion of the parts of the vulva in most places. Now, go look for a picture of a man's penis that is reasonably edifying, and you'll find them all over. I only discovered this when I tried to look it up, and since I had never purchased Our Bodies, Ourselves, I was SOL (corrected that, recently). I however, and all women, have a ready-made "reference manual," provided we have gotten over the idea, or never had it, that looking at it will somehow be a "bad thing." Men don't have this reference manual readily "at hand," at least if their partner, if they have one, is not immediately available and cooperative.

    I have also read, and just reread, the Cunnilingus FAQ. Though it seemed excellent in terms of mood, style of approach, all the "beginning" stuff, I found when I applied her technique suggestions to me and my experience as a recipient, or my experience as a giver, it was a bit short on specifics. I am sure the described approach works very well for the woman who wrote it :), but I have a few things that seem unsaid.

    So, you have gone through all the beginning motions, taking a reasonable amount of time, and you are starting to "get down to business." First, PLEASE turn on the lights. Working in the dark is for experts at best. I am assuming you are sitting between her legs, facing her, or some variation on this. Now really LOOK at what is there. Where her hair is (or was, some people shave) is the mons veneris, the pubic mound. If she is not aroused, everything is likely, but not guaranteed, to be enclosed within the outer lips or labia majora, the edges of the pubic mound that comes together to enclose her vulva.

    As you spread this apart (she can bring her knees up and out, and/or you can use your hands), you will now see the inner folds of skin of the vulva, the inner lips or labia minora. These (usually) go all around the vaginal opening, and come in a variety of interesting and pleasing shapes and textures.

    As you observe that this encircles the vaginal opening, at the top of this you will find what might look like a button or might look like a very tiny penis, covered by an additional flap of skin. The flap of skin is the "hood" of the clitoris, and is very sensitive, as is the clitoris. This is the female equivalent of the male foreskin, though it is much looser than that corresponding organ.

    If you see what looks like a button underneath the hood, then what you are seeing is the glans of the clitoris, exactly equivalent to your own penis glans, or head of the penis. If you see a bit more than that, then there is probably some of the shaft of the clitoris extending in your partner. I stress this since most men would not be particularly enthused by a blow job that only gave attention to their penis head and extended not a centimeter below there. Many might find it annoying or even painful, depending on how rough their partner is with them and how sensitive they are to pain in that area. However, told "give attention to the clitoris," by fable and book, many brave soldiers run to do battle on the field of their woman's desires with their tongue, only to find their partner is telling them to please stop, it hurts, or it doesn't do anything for me. This may or may not be a comment on your technique, some women don't like oral sex. I would just like to suggest an approach that probably has a higher average success rate.

    The shaft of the clitoris is attached internally, back into the body of the woman. Pressure on the spot above the glans and underneath the hood will generally give you access to the part of the shaft equivalent to the part of your penis that is towards your body, whereas underneath the glans will give you access to the part of the shaft that is equivalent to the part of your penis that is away from your body. It is likely that the skin directly below the glans will be functionally equivalent to what is for most men the most sensitive and pleasurable part of the penis for play, and the inner vaginal lips are also usually quite sensitive "in a good way." Going down/in/back, you may or may not see the urethra, if you do this is the location of the grafenberg spot (g-spot), which we have all heard on this newsgroup is quite varied in response, some women love stimulation there, others do not. Try licking your tongue around there, if it is visible, and see, in the course of your "investigations."

    O.K., so now you have the picture. You did trim/file your nails first, didn't you? Play with your hands, play with your mouth, go all over, gently at first, increasing stimulation and focus as her body responds, and coming in "closer on" the clitoral area as she becomes more aroused. Lick, suck, point your tongue and apply pressure, use it like a "miniature penis" under the glans, penetrating her as you go, make little circles with your tongue, lick up and down along the skin in front of the clitoris, up and down the inner vaginal lips, etc. These are ideas, find some others, listen to her responses and comments. Remember to GO SLOW --- I believe impatience and expectations of quick response are "generally recognized as" the most common error in sexual encounters. Eventually the clitoris will become probably become erect, and stimulation that is "more direct" (like enclosing your mouth on the area and gently sucking) will stimulate a sufficient amount of the organ in question to be interesting. Watch what you are doing, and what happens, the entire area will become "engorged" and swollen if things are proceeding closer to orgasm.

    Some women may not, or may prefer not, to orgasm this way. Most will probably, however, enjoy the experience a great deal. Hopefully this "explanation and comparison" to the corresponding male body parts will allow you to not be (still) in the dark with the lights on.

  17. This is no surprise... by cameronk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ATT and NTT DOCOMO announced a strategic partnership way back in November 2000, " to develop the next generation of mobile multimedia services on a global-standard, high-speed wireless network...As part of the agreement, AT&T Wireless will license from NTT DoCoMo itsi-mode technology platform." As well, over the past few weeks regular advertisements have appeared in the NYT and WSJ promoting the IPO that mention a nationwide roll-out of i-mode in the US.

    I still don't really see what the big fuss is about these next generation services. The two basic constraints are bandwidth and device. I bet that ATT uses G2.5 technology to bring about this nationwide roll out, G3 is just too cost prohibitive right now. In that case, you will not receive a high-latency network connection with a theortical thouroughput of ~128kbps. If you have ever used DSL, you will not tolerate this for general web surfing. The bigger problem, imho, is that a cell phone makes a lousy interface to use the internet. The screen is, by definition, far too small. There is no easy way of typing in text. I really believe in the Palm.net approach with applets that cache most data on the handheld device conducting database queries to provide location and time-sensative information. Especially with the new i705 keyboard, it is easy to input web addresses. I think in the short and medium terms that people will receive certain high-value services, like email and location/time sensative databases, on a handheld and will either wait for home/office/hotel/school for wired internet use or will use wi-fi to connect at high traffic areas like Starbucks or airports. Just my two cents.

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    "...What is good for General Motors is good for America." -Charles Wilson, Secretary of Defense and fmr President of GM
    1. Re:This is no surprise... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      3G only makes sense in a population density like Japan has. Somewhat like Ricochet, it was only practicle in big urban areas, not places like the UP of Michigan.

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      A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    2. Re:This is no surprise... by TheInternet · · Score: 2

      The screen is, by definition, far too small. There is no easy way of typing in text.

      The Nokia phones have remarkably effective predictive text entry systems using the standard keypads. Simple text messages are quite practical.

      - Scott

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      Scott Stevenson
      Tree House Ideas
  18. mod this up as insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Japanese are far ahead with their gardets. Did you know DoCoMo offered internet access for PDAs in Japan as well?

  19. It gets tiring... by Vishniac · · Score: 1
    ...trying to browse the internet on a grainy little screen. PDAs and cell phones might work for accessing little tidbits such as stocks and scores and weather, but in the long run, people are going to want complete moble access to the web, and that isn't going to happen on tiny two-inch screens. However, notebook computers still aren't convenient enough to check the web quickly out on the street, and tablet PCs are still too bulky for my tastes.

    I'm looking for a screen with about an area of a jeweled CD case. Not much thicker than that, either. Granted, that wouldn't fit immediately in your pocket like a cell phone, but I see the device as a separate component that works with your phone to provide access on the road and your wireless network at home for connection there.

    Until then, accessing the web on my cell phone isn't going to be very appealing to me.

  20. Internet browsing is not the point by apetime · · Score: 1
    I think a lot of people are missing the reason why i-mode is so popular in Japan.

    Probably 90% of the sites that people access with their phones are sites tailored to be viewed on those phones. News, weather and stock prices are obvious ones. Less obvious, and maybe unique to Japan, are train maps and schedules (enter your current station, destination and time you want to get there, and itll spit it all out), and small games and things to read during the long commute.

    People who want to access the rest of the internet use PCs, just like anyone else. Serious mobile users don't connect with i-mode, they use PHS or 3G networks which offer significantly higher speeds. i-mode and other similar services here serve a market created by them, not one that existed before.

  21. NO NIPPERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bloody Japs... They took over the car industry, they took over the video game industry, now they're trying to take over the Internet. Well, this is our Net, not theirs; we invented it, not them! We must not allow this!

    Don't buy it! Keep the Nips out!! Only buy American!!

    I am truly sorry, Mr. Malda.

  22. Wasted and baked yet still squishy by Graymalkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think 99% of people are missing the point as to what i-mode is. It is not an internet phone although there are portals so users can get on the internet. While i-mode sites use a heavily tweaked version of HTML they are housed on a proprietary network much like online services used to be in the US before connections to the internet were the big thing. Most of the pay content on the service is hosted either by NNT DoCoMo themselves or by third parties that charge fees to your phone's account.

    I really don't think i-mode is going to take off in the US for the simple reason that it doesn't offer its target market, teenagers, anything they don't already have enough of. In Japan i-mode is THE means of communicado for teens, in Europe SMS services on phones is widely popular. In the US however more teens are using PCs and landline telephones. In the US local phone calls cost little more than a line fee which puts the net cost of internet access at the cost of the phone line plus the twenty bucks or so for an ISP. Cellular service on the other hand costs us an arm and a leg and there's no one standard that all phones here use. US based cellular providers also charge differently than their European and Japanese counterparts. Landlines in Europe and Japan are much more expensive then those in the US. One market has cheap landlines while the other has cheap wireless. This is specifically why i-mode isn't going to take off in the US. Almost everyone that wants one has a PC with internet access and most teenagers have at least one e-mail address and talk to at least a fraction of their friends over the internet. It is highly doubtful they're going to get their parents to fork over them oney for an expensive cell phone that costs extra to use the i-mode or SMS service on. With only a handful of people using the service it becomes a Catch-22, no one uses the service so no one wants to get it because their freidns don't have it. If NNT changed i-mode's structure to better fit in the US it would be little better than the shitty services we already have. Part of i-mode's success is its homogeneous nature. Most pay services on it are cleared by NNT just like AOL used to clear companies to offer services on their network. The other aspect of its success is the fact NNT has had exclusive license over i-mode for the past couple years and will continue to for a few more. Nobody can come in and break i-mode's style quite yet by offering a different type of service. This is detrimental to the industry as we've seen in the US. We're lucky to use our phones for anything more than yelling at one another over the din of our surroundings. NNT might pull off i-mode here but I really don't think they will or can. The market is just too different here than it is in Japan and if i-mode becomes remotely popular a competitor is going to come out with an incompatible i-mode knock off which will fragment the market and this will repeat ad infinitum any time someone innovates in the market.

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    I'm a loner Dottie, a Rebel.
    1. Re:Wasted and baked yet still squishy by mizukami · · Score: 1

      Actually there *are* competitors to iMode-- the biggest are aU (offered by KDDI), J-Phone, and Tsuka (which I think may have merged with aU... but don't hold me to that). These companies' market shares are dwarfed by DoCoMo's, but they are not insignificant in the least. They keep a decent market share because they are usually cheaper than DoCoMo, and tend to have a lot of innovations before DoCoMo does (I got an aU phone because they had a waterproof/shockproof model. One of the three was also first to market with a digital camera built into the phone, letting you email photos immediately to friends).

      Email for all of the manufacturers' phones are interoperable, because it's all just plain old email. All of them have color screens and let you browse the web. Only DoCoMo has specific i-Mode sites, but that just means that you go to different pay site to get your horoscope or check the weather or download tunes if you have a non-DoCoMo phone.

      Actually, from what I've seen on the street from friends, the iMode sites aren't a big deal. All that everyone really wants is email service. The rest is just fluff and icing. The reason that DoCoMo is so big is that they have the biggest marketing budget, which makes it easier for them to set DoCoMo phones as the "coolest" and most "professional" in the minds of consumers.

      I don't know that DoCoMo itself will be a huge hit in the States, but if they aren't then it will be due to marketing blunders like overpricing. The services that they offer (real email to your cell phone being the biggest) will definitely catch on, because it's just so damn convenient once you start using it. And it saves lots of cash, too, because it's always cheaper to send a cell-to-cell email than it is to talk when just a 1-line email will suffice.

      Land-based lines are great when your butt is parked in front of a PC, but people who don't stay parked there makes for a pretty big market as well... :-)

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      CC-licensed translations of Japanese fiction: http://tonygonz.blogspot.com/
    2. Re:Wasted and baked yet still squishy by Cato · · Score: 2

      Inter-carrier SMS is now enabled for some US wireless operators, and they are already seeing increases in revenues (big surprise, the European operators enabled this a long time ago...). So don't be surprised if SMS takes off in the US as well.

      The US market is different, largely due to regulation as you point out, but people are increasingly mobile, particularly teenagers, so SMS and some mobile internet applications (chat, dating, multi-player games, etc.) are probably going to take off in the US as well as Europe.

      As for an exclusive license - don't know where you get that from, the Japanese competitors to i-mode have similar services and I think now have the ability to interoperate with i-mode to some extent. What's harder to replicate is the end-to-end specification of phones, protocols, servers, billing models and content services so that they all work together.

    3. Re:Wasted and baked yet still squishy by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2
      It is not an internet phone although there are portals so users can get on the internet. While i-mode sites use a heavily tweaked version of HTML they are housed on a proprietary network much like online services used to be in the US before connections to the internet were the big thing.

      No they aren't. NTT DoCoMo runs a gateway system, something like a WAP gateway, that fetches pages using HTTP. Most i-mode sites are hosted on ordinary web servers connected to the Internet. A site operator can set restrictions on the web server so that it will only serve i-mode pages to addresses assigned to the gateway. Site operators that wish to have more security, such as banks, can have a dedicated link to the gateway instead. (Except for the latest models, i-mode phones do not support encryption.)

      DoCoMo runs an i-mode portal, the i-menu, and most users stick to the sites listed on this. However, all i-mode phones allow access to and bookmarking of unofficial 'katte' sites by URL.

      Most of the pay content on the service is hosted either by NNT DoCoMo themselves or by third parties that charge fees to your phone's account.

      No it isn't. DoCoMo only runs the subscription and billing system. When the i-mode gateway sends an HTTP request to an official site (one that's on the i-menu), it includes a subscriber ID which the site can use for access control and customisation.

    4. Re:Wasted and baked yet still squishy by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

      So I don't live in Japan, I'm too tall for that country anyways. As I understand it WAP penetration on i-mode is still relatively sparse compared to the overall number of i-mode users. As for the access control and whatnot through the WAP gateway I sort of got it right, in spirit if nothing else. The point is NTT controls all access to i-mode, the WAP gateways are run by NTT and thus everyone (the katte sites) who wants to offer i-mode service has got to clear it through NTT and then the access if it is billed gets billed to the users i-mode account.

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    5. Re:Wasted and baked yet still squishy by Graymalkin · · Score: 2

      DoCoMo used to, of course this has probably changed being as I don't as a matter of course keep up with their wheelings and dealings, be the only one to offer i-mode service in Japan. At least that is how I understood it which maybe I'm flat wrong on that.

      As for SMS in the US I'm skeptical as to whether is even has the possibility of catching on. Because landlines are so prevelant here I think there is a natural prejudice towards phones as being voice communication devices. Along with crappy phones and sparse availability I think that has kept data services largely off American phones. Looking around and cell phone offers the majority of deals areh aving to do with oodles of talk time, wireless internet and whatnot are pretty rare. My phone has internet access but I don't know anyone else whose got wireless internet as well. If providers wanted to make SMS big here I think they'd have to use Blackberry type devices instead of adding the functionality to cell phones. Maybe I'm misjudging the market for SMS service but I don't see kids running around pecking away like mad on their cell phones OR Blackberries here.

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    6. Re:Wasted and baked yet still squishy by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2
      So I don't live in Japan, I'm too tall for that country anyways.

      Neither do I, but since I've had to write software to work with i-mode I made sure to do my research and find the important technical specs and mailing lists.

      As I understand it WAP penetration on i-mode is still relatively sparse compared to the overall number of i-mode users. As for the access control and whatnot through the WAP gateway I sort of got it right, in spirit if nothing else.

      I'm sorry, but you really didn't. Japanese i-mode doesn't use WAP at all. European i-mode appears to make use of some parts of WAP 2.0, but the Japanese service is proprietary.

      The point is NTT controls all access to i-mode, the WAP gateways are run by NTT and thus everyone (the katte sites) who wants to offer i-mode service has got to clear it through NTT and then the access if it is billed gets billed to the users i-mode account.

      No, the katte sites are entirely unofficial - there is no need to get any kind of approval from DoCoMo to make a site available by URL entry. DoCoMo bills for access to all sites (and for email) on a per-packet basis (except that a few hundred packets per month are included in the i-mode subscription).

  23. DoPa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If DoPa (pronounced dupa) is part of the i=mode offering, then it is a huge win.

    DoPa is a super cheap internet packet network that runs with i-mode. You get 24x7 PPP connections and you only pay for actual packets and the cost is very cheap.

  24. fa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woohoo! Enact tauzin-dingell and watch the fur fly! It's a beautiful thing, competition. Mind you, some paranoid wierdos are going to complain about how this threatens national security and all that. Some people can't be happy no matter how much they sit on their collective asses and complain, though.

  25. DoCoMo "wireless internet" experience by ultrapenguin · · Score: 1

    Should you be impressed after reading this article?
    I think not. Why? Well, let me tell you.

    What you hear of Japanese companies in America is twisted, incorrect, or at best improperly translated from Japanese double-speak which is used to promote losing services.

    So, you are drooling to come to Japan and start using DoCoMo's "wireless internet service" while taking a bus to your office, right? Wrong. The service (even the current 9.6kbps, max packet size 10k, never actually reaching that speed) gets really shitty during rush hour when all the office workers get on their phones to call their boss to tell them they will be late to work because of another traffic jam.

    So, what's the appeal for this pathetic "service" that Japs have to pay out of their ass for? I really don't know. Maybe everyone there has too much money to waste on shit, or something like that. A latest 503i mobile phone with "java" (Don't get me started on that one, 10k .jar limit, and JAVA of all things?), will cost your average jap approx $500 for a one-year contract including the phone. You get some few minutes for free to use up each month, and then you pay for every minute of outgoing calls. Each "i-mode" call is billed by the packet, which means if you actually plan to do anything serious on it (which is impossible, the content available on i-mode is worthless to a general user), you'll be paying for it, as well.

    Let's examine DoCoMo's java phones again. They are being marketed as "cool, useful, secure devices to do your online banking, play games, and access the internet". What they don't tell you that you are still stuck with pathetic 9.6kbps (ideal, usually much worse), 10k packet limit (don't try to browse slashdot on that phone), and that Java applets can't access network except for HTTP (and only to the originating server) which means you can forget about peer to peer games (or any kind of intelligent games, wtf can you fit into 10k of Java? If it was 10k of ASM, sure, but java? Hah).

    Another words, don't be too excited about hearing these news. I'd say, if you really care, boycott this shit and tell the japs to go back to their country with that I-mode crap. Support ricochet or whatever other True American company is there to provide you service - at least their CEO has a normal view at the real world, and not an idealistic "I'll make it and everyone will use it because I made it" view that most Japanese company presidents have about their product.

    Another not very well known fact, is that these "sales" of i-mode units that DoCoMo claims on their quarterly reports are mostly "push" sales to absolutely unsuspecting customers. Imagine, you own a 2 or 3 years old phone, which breaks because you drop it in the bathtub. Ideally, you'd want to get exact same model, because you like it and you want to keep using it. The catch is that it's 3 years old, and DoCoMo doesn't sell 3 years old phones anymore. Incidentally, they have this nice and new 503 model which has i-mode, java, and god-knows-what-the-fuck-else that you will never use or even know how to use (503 models come with a ~400+ page manual). You have no choice, and you buy the new phone. You talk on it about 10-20 times a month, and never even touch anything related to I-mode. DoCoMo salesman rubs his hands, puts another cross on the sheet posted in his office where every employee must write how many phones they sold a week, and DoCoMo gets another "i-mode" user to report on their quarterly sales reports.

    Why do you think DoCoMo says they are selling so many i-mode headsets now? Duh, because that's all they sell these days.

    Thanks for listening,

    1. Re:DoCoMo "wireless internet" experience by OsamaBinLager · · Score: -1

      10k is pretty ridiculous for Java, yes. Most interesting uses need at least a 50k jar file, and can get as high as several hundred k... but I'm sure it gets even worse when you think about the memory requirements of Java (which is a great language, but god does it suck memory).

      Anyways, I'm disappointed by the news you relate here. I was hoping that J2ME was 'here, soon.' but from what you say, I guess not :(

    2. Re:DoCoMo "wireless internet" experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Java Apps are limited to 100KB, not 10KB, mostly for speed load reasons, the phones can handle larger apps, the network just limits them.

      Depending on the transport you get 9.6kbps, but
      with other transports like piafs you get 32kbps.

    3. Re:DoCoMo "wireless internet" experience by ultrapenguin · · Score: 1

      Which crap are you smoking, sir?
      Java applet size limit is 10k.
      Always has been.
      Read up on http://www.iasolution.net/e-is-industry-22.htm
      wh ich says that "sometime in spring" DoCOMo "might" offer handsets that can read up to 30k java files, "3 times larger than the current limit of 10k".

      Don't worry though. It takes 10 seconds to get a 10k file in ideal conditions, nobody is going to wait 30 seconds to download this junk.

  26. Ohhh boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just what I need...[BUZZWORD] CONTENT [/BUZZWORD]
    for my phone. That translates to tracking and mapping applications to record my every move, purchase, email...etc

    Does anyone actually browse via the phone ?

  27. NTT is already here!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.matrixm.com/asp/media/default.asp

    check that shit out!!

    with stuff like that NTT WILL DOMINATE too.

    they offer the cool shit people want, while sprint and verizon are still just blowing each other...

  28. Yup. by Squeeze+Truck · · Score: 2

    It is able to do this only because NTT bought Verio's network backbone. (I was told that by doing so, it got around some specific restriction on offering service in the US.)
    I work for a Japanese telephone company, and I'm probably not supposed to say anything about this, but the acquisition of Verio by Japan, and the heavy investment in GlobalCrossing Asia by Chinese interests is just the beginning.
    American telecommunications infrastructure is just so cheap, and companies are going bankrupt so rapidly, that companies like mine would be stupid not to start buying it up wholesale.

    It's not like you can do anything about it, but prepare to be invaded.

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  29. Not what I've heard by TheInternet · · Score: 2

    Another words, don't be too excited about hearing these news. I'd say, if you really care, boycott this shit and tell the japs to go back to their country with that I-mode crap. Support ricochet or whatever other True American company is there to provide you service

    Ignoring the shades of racism for a moment, I think you're missing the fact that i-Mode's primary purpose is not to browse things like Slashdot. As I understand it, most of i-Mode's lure in japan is information and entertainment that is given the i-Mode seal of approval. They are made in HTML, but they are constantly evaluated by DoCoMo. Their content has to be good to keep the seal of approval.

    A lot of the content is entertainment. Screen savers, graphics, trinkets animations and such. These people are not downloading and compiling kernels. People that technology has to revolve around "real work" or prove its usefulness would probably not understand the lure.

    Richocet is a wireless internet service designed to use in conjunction with laptops. As far as I can tell, this has nothing to do with i-Mode.

    All of my information on this topic comes from a Wired article that I read a few months ago.

    You have no choice, and you buy the new phone. You talk on it about 10-20 times a month, and never even touch anything related to I-mode.

    This is the exact opposite impression the Wired article gives. It says that i-Mode use is rampant in Japan, and text messaging exceeds voice call usage -- largely due to the fact that the culture sees it as inconsiderate to impose yourself on other people by contact phone calls in public.

    Again, I'm just going on what Wired said.

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  30. i-mode overview by Cato · · Score: 2

    i-mode is not a protocol on the level of GPRS, in fact it can use GPRS (and UMTS [3G] and the Japanese PDC-P) as a transport. In fact i-mode is being deployed by KPN in the Netherlands and will run over GPRS there (some other deployments should also happen e.g. in Germany).

    i-mode includes its own HTML variant (cHTML, quite close to standard HTML unlike WAP's WML), and some sort of application level protocol (proprietary to NTT I think). This runs over a packet mode layer, which is analogous to IP but designed for wireless (shorter headers etc - spectrum is expensive). i-mode also includes (crucially) a content-based billing system for official providers (NTT approved), and data transfer based (i.e. Kbytes) billing for unofficial providers (NTT makes a lot of money out of these).

    Most importantly, NTT designed the phones and told the manufacturers to make them - the NTT logo is on the phone, the manufacturer isn't (hard to replicate anywhere except Japan). The end to end i-mode architecture is a bit like MacOS - quite proprietary but it's very easy to use (see http://www.useit.com/ for an article on this). Also, NTT takes only 9% of the official content providers' revenues, compared to the Euro wireless providers who typically take about half for premium SMS services. Guess which one has more providers, more revenues and more profits...

    3G isn't a protocol either, but CDMA2000 and UMTS are suites of protocols that conform to the ITU-T's '3G vision' - aka IMT-2000, which is even more fluffy and vaporous than 3G is!

  31. i-mode vs WAP/GPRS etc by Cato · · Score: 2

    I mostly agree with you about i-mode vs WAP (see my post elsewhere about WAP's brokenness). The phones in the UK are nowhere near i-mode or i-appli in ease of use, and FOMA is further ahead still. The new 3G phones coming out this year in Europe may give FOMA a run for its money, but ease of use is still the critical issue - i-mode and FOMA seem to be designed on the MacOS model, i.e. an end to end design that is highly usable. European and US 3G won't have that level of integration.

    However, GPRS is packet-mode and now rolled out on 3 out of 4 UK networks (not sure about one2one), and in many other European countries. It's faster than i-mode's PDC-P (which is 9.6 Kbps), up to 30-50 Kbps depending on cell site, following wind, etc. And of course GPRS is always-on, like PDC-P.

    1. Re:i-mode vs WAP/GPRS etc by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2

      Which is why the European version of i-mode will be using GPRS, not PDC-P.

  32. IMHO... by LokiSteve · · Score: 1

    Phones that can do everything web related won't make a big impact in the US. Almost everybody, or everybody interested in being connect has bought themselves a PC (Mac, WebTV, etc.) that these phones will do little for them. I, for one, have internet access at school, work (from where I am posting now), any public library, and home. What would I need access in my pocket for? Another point to this is that the tech community (read geeks)are usually the main buyers of gadgets, and why would they want to subject themselves to browsing on a 2.5" screen rather than their 21" CRT?

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