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Will CS Students Switch From Microsoft?

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the depends-on-the-faculty-too dept.

spotter writes: "There's an article in Newsweek International that talks about how Microsoft's tactics are turning off an entire generation of CS students from their products and increasing the fortunes of Linux." The article isn't deep or flawless, but hits on a major point: what students learn in school is key to what they go on to do.

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  1. Duh? by GrEp · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you ask me GNU Applications and a few other programs are the killer apps for GNU/Linux as a CS student.

    1. GCC, Binutils, Emacs/Vim (General Hacking)

    2. Mesa (Graphics)

    3. Bison/Flex (Compilers)

    4. Linux (Operating Systems)

    5. Various Packet Analyizers (Networking/Security)

    5. MySQL/Postgres (Databases)

    The only non opensource application I use is Mathematica, but Wolfram provides student discouts and packages such as Combinatorica are opensource.

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  2. Visual Studio .NET rollout by kikta · · Score: 5, Informative

    MS is hosting an event here at Miami University (Ohio) in conjucntion with the CS department to celebrate the rollout of Visual Studio .NET tomorrow. "All attendees will receive the full version of Visual Studio .NET Academic, a full version of Windows XP Professional, and other valuable items. Join us for an overview of the .NET Framework and a live demonstration of Visual Studio .NET." That's about $1700 (retail) of software that they're giving away. My suitemate and I are both Linux junkies, but we're both going for the software and out of curiosity. They giving out free food & even have a band scheduled to play. The notice is on MS's website here. They're also giving away an Xbox, Microsoft Press Books, $500 American Express Gift Certificates, MP3 Players, "and more!" MS is definetly pulling out all of the stops to try and hook the next generation (big surprise). I'm interested to see how it will go...

  3. Microsoft does exactly that by Carnage4Life · · Score: 4, Informative
    Whether you're in school or not, learning about developing in a Microsoft environment requires parting with some cash. Personally I'd love to have copies of Microsoft development tools just so I can learn about the technology, but I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars on a product just to try it out.

    Actually many Microsoft development tools are available for free download or can be shipped on CD for the little more than the price of shipping and handling. These include I also know that one can download the data access SDK to allow development of ODBC and ADO apps but don't have a link handy. Anyway my point is that Microsoft does allow developer's to learn about their platform without requiring them to part with some cash. However some of these SDKs do require Visual C++ which is priced academically starting at $44.95

    Disclaimer: I am a Microsoft employee but this post is not being made in any official capacity nor does it reflect the wishes, intentions, strategies or opinions of my employer.
  4. My observations. by SagSaw · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not a CS major, but a EE major who has a work-study job with the computer center. Here are some of my observations:

    1. Many students prefer the Sun boxes to the NT boxes, especially in the ME program. The CAD software they use is availible both on the NT machines and on the Sun machines. The main reason for the Sun preferece is that the software (and underlying OS) is much more stable. It was not uncommon in my ME-101 CAD class to lose hours of work when the software crashed and corrupted the file.

    2. There are two things that keep a windows partition on my machine: Games and the ability to open word/excel/matlab documents distributed by professors and project groups. (I won't touch AIM with a 10 foot pole, but the lack of a decent AIM client has been mentioned by some other students as a reason why they keep windows around.

    3. Some of the techinical staff seem to have become very frusterated with Microsoft's tatics, licensing, and upgrade cycle. When asked a while ago why we didn't have Office 2000 in the labs, one administrator clearly stated that they would not pay Microsoft repeatedly for the same product; without any new and useful features in the latest MS offerings, there is no reason to upgrade.

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  5. It's nuts what Microsoft is doing to prevent this by DutchSter · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think Microsoft is aware of this, and they are trying their hardest to avoid it. Consider the following. I attend a medium sized (16,000 students) Midwestern University. While our CS department isn't world-renowned, there are about 400 people majoring in it. Tomorrow (The 4th) we've got Microsoft coming to town for the VS .NET "launch party"

    No big deal you'd say...Here's what they're ponying up:
    * Up to 700 people can attend, Students, Faculty, Staff
    * Everyone who goes gets a full version of XP professional, full version of VS .NET Academic, plus who knows how much other Microsoft "Stuff" (Lots of Xboxes floating around)

    Here's the kicker. I was talking to our secretary the other day and she said the whole thing basically went like this: Microsoft calls and says they want to have a launch party, we get $50,000 to spend for $700 people, plus the department gets $10,000 in discretionary "thanks" cash.

    We're having a hard time racking up over $15,000 in expenses for this three hour event. We simply can't find $35,000 in other things to buy for this room! I might add also, all 700 slots were filled in less than a day.

    Is it just me, or does this smack of a company that really, really, wants to protect its future interests?