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Why Batteries Haven't Kept Up

TimWeigel writes "Ever wonder why we can cram ever more computer power into smaller and smaller devices, but we're still (mostly) slaves to the almighty AA? This article on CNN touches on this very important facet of our lives - why the power sources for our Palm Pilots and Gameboys haven't matched the advances in computing power. In a word: physics." I had an interesting conversation with a person who's been doing a lot of research into batteries. Batteries have grown at standard normal industrial rates - which are much slower then Moore's Law, and hence, the source of our problem.

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  1. Actually by Heem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Batteries have come a long way - at least lets say, more devices use rechageable battery packs now then before. Remember when everything, and i mean, everything that did not plug directly into the wall, used an alkaline? At least now many things just go back on their base and charge back up.

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  2. more power than a tactical nuke by beckett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    perhaps it's good that efforts have been made to design around energy limitations. while i'm all for better power supplies, designing circuits that use as little power as possible to do a given task means that less is wasted. just look at the amount of excess processing power we have in our computers and how much unnecessary code there is in a standard application.

    engineering around power limitations means smart, efficent designs, not wasteful products that just suck up energy. i think these limitations helped designers innovate.

    1. Re:more power than a tactical nuke by HMC+CS+Major · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Restricting the software industry this way kills the hardware industry .....

      Chip makers (intel/amd/etc) and hardware vendors expect software producers to write expensive code, that only the newest processors have a chance of running. Thats how they push the newer boxes out the door.

  3. Standardisation by Sircus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's most interesting to me is not the lack of progress in battery technology - it's not Moore's law, but with NiCad, NiMH, LiIon and so forth, there's clearly progress. What interests me is the lack of standardisation in battery sizes. We've had AA (and AAA, and A, and so forth) forever. Why don't we see more standardisation for things like digital camera batteries, laptop batteries and so forth? I understand that there are a bunch of issues such as form factor and suitability for design, but wouldn't standard sizes and capabilities for batteries help everyone out?

    There's the argument that the laptop makers (and so forth) would lose their revenue streams from replacement batteries, but they also wouldn't have to pay a premium on putting the things into the laptops in the first place, if we had newer battery standards which specified the characteristics of a set of 'standard' laptop batteries.

    Perhaps I'm over-optimistic, but I'm certainly hoping that commoditisation eventually leads to not having to buy the 'special' AA rechargeables for my camera, or being able to walk into any computer store and get a new XX for my laptop...

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    1. Re:Standardisation by phunhippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One of the interesting things is that back in the 50's-60's and 70's was that devices were generally made to fit the batteries. Now a days batteries are designed to fit the devices offering more flexibillity in design. I think thats a fair trade off to have have 100's of battery types and sizes vs have a few desgins of battery shape that everything has to be designed around.

    2. Re:Standardisation by jedrek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FujiFilm cameras don't really kill non-Fuji batteries as they kill everything but 1600mA Ni-MH batteries, 1800mA dealies are even better. Anything you can get 'on the street' -- alkalines or the like, are pretty much only for emergency use.

  4. Standard Cells by dmaxwell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Granted, batteries come in all shapes and sizes and can a lot for a well equipped geek to keep track of. We have to remember that, technically, a battery is a collection of cells that have been wired together. Since batteries are made from cells there are far fewer types of cells than batteries.

    How is this helpful? I had a 486 laptop that I could not find a replacement battery for but Batteries Plus was able to replace the cells in the old battery. When I used to be an instrumentation tech, we recelled batteries all of the time. It was often far cheaper to rebuild a battery than to buy one new. This works for laptops too. If you want to do it yourself, Dremel tools, epoxy and superglue are your friends. Even after paying a Batteries Plus tech it can still be cheaper if you recoil at the thought of wielding the Dremel yourself.

    I'll also point out that the cells in the battery are often held together by metal straps that are sort of punched into the terminals of the cell. If you want to try your hand at battery rebuilding , then you will want to run down a supply of the strips and the punch tool.

  5. Rechargable by TechnoLust · · Score: 4, Insightful

    True, but I wish the rechargeable batteries were more standardized. I know they need different sizes for different devices, but there could be SOME standardization. Most devices that use a Lithium Ion battery uses a proprietary size, shape, voltage, current, etc. This is partly because they design the battery around the device, rather than vice-versa, but more than likely is also a marketing decision, because they can charge you out the nose for their special batteries. Unfortunately, if they stop making those batteries for whatever reason, your equipment may soon become unusable. Even rechargables die eventually. I would be more likely buy products that use standard rechargeables, than a proprietary one.

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  6. Re:clean electric cars = oxymoron by Fenris2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The point of electric cars is to move the polluting emissions from the cars to the generating plants, where it can be controlled more closely. There are already very tight limits on how much sulphur, etc. can go out the chimney at your average coal/oil/natural gas generating plant.

    Nuclear plants are another story. It may very well be possible to design a reactor that produces no waste - that is an engineering matter. Building the thing is a political matter, and thus not subject to the dictates of reason.

    Solar (terrestrial or space-based), wind, and hydroelectric power aren't being built fast enough to keep up with demand, mainly due to their low output and high cost.

    One thing the article ignores is the development of small fuel cells that can use methanol as fuel directly. Methanol (or ethanol) can easily be made from corn, soybeans, or industrial hemp. Such fuel cells could power small devices such as cell phones, PDAs, and laptops for days instead of hours on a few deciliters of alcohol, without noxious ozone and nitrous oxide emmissions.

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  7. Bloat hurts Batteries, not process shrinks by redelm · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Moore's law, especially the process shrink should _help batteries, not put higher demands on them.

    It is the users/marketers insistance on cramming more "functionality" [aka bloatware] in that gobbles battery life. Quit whining -- we do this to ourselves. The technology is an innocent bystander.

  8. Efficiency by Decimal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What, are you kidding me? Game Boy Advance goes for 14 hours on it's AA batteries. This is due to advances in efficiency, not batteries. Isn't that what we should be more concerned about?

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  9. Wireless energy nets for mobile phones/gadgets by goyena · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How feasible is it to use electromagnetic waves to transport energy? IANAP (P=Physicist), but a science fiction fan, who once read a short story how solar energy was collected and "beamed" from an orbital to the earth...und woe to any airplane that flew through that beam.

    I was only thinking that since batteries are a problem (because of size and durability) why not take them out of the gadget. Actually, even without being a PhD in Physics I could probably think of many reasons why not, but could anyone tell me how and if this could be feasible?

    Naturally if such a energy transport system were to be possible, it would only be feasible in mostly urban areas with infrastructure resembling that of cell phone networks.

    - Is it possible to transport _enough_ energy (and not lose too much in the conversion?
    - Would a direct line-of-sight be necessary, and would crossing it be hazardous?
    - Would it be possible to "encrypt" this energy to make it possible to subscribe and protect from freeloaders?
    - What types of waves (and/or photon beams?) are best suited for this application?
    - How long would it be before we all die with brain cancer because of the free energy being transmitted around?

  10. Re:"i don't know, i don't like it...." by guinsu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That not really the user's fault. The cell phone should be designed to stop charging the batter unneccesarily.

  11. You've got Nuclear Paranoia! by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The risk of making a big chuck of Chicago uninhabitable and making a lot of people sick had their reactor caught on fire was very real.
    No, it wasn't. The squash-court reactor operated with people standing on it; it did not generate enough direct energy to make people sick from direct exposure, let alone radioactive byproducts to make anyone sick at a distance.
    Accidents do happen. And it's very hard to clean up.
    Contrast and compare to poly-chlorinated biphenyls, a chemical (not radiological) toxin. Now those things are everywhere, and nobody has any suggestions for cleaning them out of the general environment.
    South Africa, I belive, is in the process of building a "pebble bed" reactor which should be quite safe compared to the reactor designs used currently. It is claimed to be meltdown-proof, and the fuel should always stay contained inside of the "pebbles" reducing the risk of contamination.
    The real risk of pebble beds is sabotage/terrorism. The S. Africans are claiming that such a reactor would not require a containment building, which in the post-9/11/2001 world is laughable. A pressure-vessel breach with the reactor at operating temperature would expose a lot of graphite pellets to air, resulting in a radioactive Hibachi a la Chernobyl (I don't know if an incombustible pellet coating such as silicon nitride would be sufficiently rugged to prevent this scenario). OTOH, the pebble-bed is immune to meltdown, so burying it under enough dirt to keep it from being hit by Boeing or Airbus cruise missiles should be sufficient protection.

    Pebble manufacture is probably the smallest problem. If your graphite moderator is sufficiently pure, you can use natural uranium and you have no enrichment or other steps and no byproducts. Yellowcake (uranium dioxide) is probably one of the least-difficult materials to work with; it's been used as a colorant in pottery glazes.

  12. Re:Flywheels by Winged+Cat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a problem for any high-density energy storage application: there's a lot of energy in a small space, so what if it gets released all at once?

  13. Re:This is something that has bothered me for a wh by Graymalkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Transmeta hedged their entire business model on getting partners early on after the release of the Crusoe and hope Intel or AMD didn't eat their lunch. Intel and AMD did just that, not only did they eat their lunch but they kicked their ass for their lunch money. Duh. I mean come on did Transmeta SERIOUSLY think AMD and Intel weren't working on really low power chips and probably had prototypes working already? Shit yes. They just didn't have a reason to release them as there was no third party competition for the lower power x86 chip market until Transmeta came along.

    You're also forgetting that the display is far more inefficient than the electronics spitting data out to it. A reflective LCD display doesn't use as much power as a backlit display but that comes as a cost of usability. Reflective laptop displays would not work out very well. A small reflective screen works fine because enough incident radiation is hitting the focus of your eye. With a larger screen anything outside of your focus is going to be hard to see which means reduces periphrial vision on the screen. Backlit LCD screens are huge power wasters, only half the light emitted by the backlight even gets to your eye. This is why the iPaq has such shitty battery life, it is a backlit screen that is acutally pretty damn bright. The next big thing in portable electronics is going to be OLEDs. Since the light isn't passing through a filter the display is more efficient and thus consumes less power. As it is your LCD display sucks about a third of the power your laptop uses. Another third is being sucked up by your 5v periphrials like your hard drive and CD-ROM.

    You miss the early days of laptops where they weighed ten pounds and worked for about an hour? I certainly don't. You get ten times the work out of a modern 1GHz P3 laptop than you did out of that old 100MHz Pentium in a much lighter package and uses the same if not less power.

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