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The Timex Speedpass Watch

RedWolves2 writes "Timex Corporation is developing a watch which incorporates Speedpass technology embedded into it. McDonalds has also partnered with Speedpass with 400 stores in the Chicago area that accept speedpass. Now you can order a value meal like this "You will serve me a Big Mac Meal with a Coke!" (While waving your hand like a Jedi Knight using the Jedi Mind trick)."

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  1. Free gas!! by itsnotme · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Heh, user puts on speedpass watch and forgets he/she's wearing it and at a visit to a speedpass supported gas station, walks a wee bit too close to the pumps...

    FREE GASOLINE! just not for YOU!

    Cant imagine the MULTIPLE ways this watch could get abused.. it hooks up to your creditcard so hell, I'd rather have my speedpass on a seperate thing to make SURE nothing gets charged to it by accident!

    1. Re:Free gas!! by dozing · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even worse. What happens when some leete dude (forgive my inability to spell it correctly) places a sniffer box next the the gas pump and grabs all the info from the people that have paid with their watch. Could he then use this to make his own? Or is it encrypted in such a way to make this (nearly) impossibly? If it is encrypted is it better than WEP encryption?

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    2. Re:Free gas!! by shri · · Score: 3, Interesting
      How about contactless smartcards like this? These allow you to purchase without the hassle of entering pin numbers and giving your card to someone else. Also, the explict consent is given when you take your wallet out and hold it up against the reader ( you do not need to get the card out of the wallet and hand it over to someone ).

      They also have a geeky watch which you can use if you really don't want to remove you wallet and want to wave your hand very close to the reader.

      This is currently handling close to 6 million transactions a day in the public transport system in Hong Kong, on buses, on the metro, in various shops ( starbucks / 7-11 ) etc.

      The cards can be recharged at thousands of locations in HK, by transfering money using your ATM card, or by depositing cash.

  2. Will it improve the time it takes to get served? by fruey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well.. I saw a movie the other day (70s movie) where a guy goes to McDonalds and gets served in an instant. Wow. That's never happened to me. The movie was some Time Machine thing with the main characters HG Wells and Jack the Ripper. Can't remember the title.

    Does the watch incorporate a timer between the time I pay and the time I get served, and start beeping (indicating I will get my meal free, and automatically reversing the transaction) when the doofus behind the counter still hasn't served me my McChicken and Fries within the time limit I specify?

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  3. Cool except... by kwishot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wouldn't these things be pretty prone to EMI?
    Also.... I'm not sure if this is an issue, but what if it runs out of batteries?
    Or... even better yet... what if someone makes a "speedpass scanner" and walks around a mall for an afternoon, leeching from everyone closeby.

    Seems pretty exploitable...anyone have experience with these? I would imagine that having these more widespread would open them up to more problems.

    -kwishot

    1. Re:Cool except... by President+Chimp+Toe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I dont see why you couldnt clone these things....

      There was a recent spate in the UK with abuse of "remote control watches". Basically, these watches let you beam in the signal form your remote control for the TV or whatever. The watch then remebers this signal and you can then use the watch as a remote control. However, some cars which use IR keys were susceptible to this....

      Theif goes to car showroom, asks to take car in foyer out for a drive. Surreptisously beams IR signal from key into watch. Hey presto - come back later and drives offf with car.

      To be honest, I dont see how this differs from cloning credit cards. I know a few people who have been to dosgy restaraunts in Easter Europe (honestly, they were restaurants!). Card got swiped twice when they payed. Credit card bill shows prolific activity in the balkans.....

      Whatever monetary system you use, there will allways be fraud. Like whatever media you devise, it will allways be used for pr0n. Human nature, I guess.....

  4. interception... by thebigbadme · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not to sure on the exact specifications of the speedpass system, but it would seem to me that anything that can transmit a signal to another unit (the reader) would also, in theory, be able to transmit the signal to an interceptor. It's only a matter of time before someone thinks up a way in which to pick up the speedpass xfers and reprogram/program 'new' ones with the information from others. These watches would mean that people could snipe the information in other locations (the office... or any other place someone might wear a watch, but normally not have their speedpass button available) and not just at gas stations.
    Anyone?

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  5. No authentifacation? by phayes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From what I can see from the speedpass website there is no authentification to verify that the possesor of the speedpass is really the owner. A speedpass is the electronic equivalent of a blank cashiers check to my bank account, so if I lose a speedpass I lose the equivalent of my credit card plus my pin code! Am I willing to risk this just so I can wave my wrist/keys without having to type a PIN? NO! I may be lazy, but not stupid.

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  6. Get McDonalds to Accept CASH (2 dollar bills)first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    FastPass! Dont make me laugh. Fast food restaurants still have a hard time accepting CASH. Get McDonalds to Accept CASH (2 dollar bills) first.

    Yup you heard me... for laughs I carry around 2 dollar bills with me to cause trouble at institutional minded stores and fast food empires that lack places to tuck away Half dollars, susan B coins, 2 dollar bills, and golden dollar coins. I like to force 2 dollar bills on rigid institutions.

    But that is not all I do, I act like I am low on coins, hunting my pockets, then finally producing a 2 dollar bill or two to complete a purchase, avertIng my gaze "nervously".

    I act as if it is a non-valid note.

    Guess what? Innercity dwelling teen females usually have to go get the manager to see if such as thing (a US 2 dollar bill) is legal tender and truly act as if they have a counterfeitter standing before them.

    Sometimes it causes quit a stir.

    I tried using a 50 dollar bill on a 37 dollar purchase at an Arbys and had to leave my comapanys order because they refused to accept the 50 dollar bill as strict corporate policy.

    Under US law all these things are valid for public and private debt so long as no more than 25 of the same coin denomination is used without mutual acceptance.

    Only one business has a US federal government exception : Federal Express.

    Federal Express in Los Angeles and in autonomous cities in california such as Pasadena are premitted at the FBI's insistence to deny accepting any US currency at their stores and insist on debit and credit cards only.

    Other Than Federal Express, everyone else has to accept Federal Reserve notes.... but just try to get them to take a 2 dollar bill.

    I think we should start with basics before getting them to use fraud prone SpeedPass.

  7. This system has existed for 15 years in Norway by nordicfrost · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Yup, 15 years. We have used the "Køfri" (English: No Line) system for paying road toll. The difference lies in the size of the transponder, since the Køfri system is designed to be placed on the front view window of your car. As mentioned earlier, the SkiPass system from SkiData (Switzerland) have also used this system. Now, almost all sking hills use cards with inductive radio systems. The Køfri system was developed in the University of Trondheim.


    Actually, that system was very advanced for its time. If you passed the toll station on the Køfri area without a chip in your window, two cameras digitally photograhped your license plate in normal and infrared light. Pictures were stored on MO media for evidence, and the system could react on cars passing as fast as 490 km/h.

  8. Please Break Into My Car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So now I am going to have to worry about that roving band of teenage hoodlums breaking into my car to steal my speedpass so they can get their munchie fix at McDonalds?

    Having a speed pass visible could get worse than having a radar detector visible. At least with those, they had to resell them to make any money. With a speed pass it is instant cash.

  9. Re:If this is stolen.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and the Dallas Semiconductor iButton solves all these troubles. holding 64K of internal storage plus a unique serial number can hold your photo and signature, and whatever other info you want. Plus it's more durable than the speedpass, cannot be read without direct contact and you can get them on fossil watches or any other watch on the planet with the watch-band holder. (I prefer my ring)

    The coolest part of the iButton is that the reader costs $15.00 at the most expensive and $1.00 in bulk for OEM's. a speedpass reader is more expensive than a smartcard reader.

    if Dallas Semiconductors would just push the iButton as hard as their competition pushes the junk products like the speedpass it would take off fast.

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  10. Explanation for the Non-Americans? by sych · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can someone explain this for the non-Americans? I'm curious... Are $2 and $50 notes/bills rare or discontinued or something? Or is it that cashiers dislike giving change from a $50?