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Liquid Nitrogen Cooling at Home?
newell98 asks: "Given the rise in popularity of water cooling systems for home computers, I was wondering how many slashdotters have played with the idea of cooling their system with liquid nitrogen? Lots of super-comps use them (or used to at least), and I'm curious about who's played with the idea of taking home computing to the same level?" The thing to remember about Liquid Nitrogen is that this stuff is generally not safe for home use. It must be stored and used with care or serious injury can result. I think this is why not-too-many people use such in overclocking. Water is by far more easier to obtain and is harmless to boot. Now, after saying all that, have any of you tried using liquid nitrogen in cooling a home or garage-built computer rig? What kind of safety precautions did you take, and how well did your cooling system work?
This guy uses Fluorinert and Liquid N2.
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Put down the crack pipe. What on earth do you need to do that requires liquid nitrogen to cool it. This has got to be the worst "ask slashdot" ever, except for the one where the kid wanted us to do his homework for him.
A supercomputer your PC ain't. Cool it the sane way.
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As anyone that's worked with extreme cooling knows, its the condensation that kills. Ever look inside a chest freezer? There's ICE on the walls.
I've seen (and tried) lots of peltier combinations, cases in mini-fridges, etc. But as soon as you get far enough below ambient, you risk condensation on the components. I've cooled systems to about 30F(ambient about 70F) and fried an AMD 'cuz its pins were soaked in water.
With N2, its LOTS colder than ambient, so condensation turns to ice VERY fast. So you have to insulate the shiat out of your proc.mobo. But from what i've seen, the o/cing advantage isnt a whole lot more because you're limited by sheer quality of the silicon, and the design of the transistors. They're just physcally too big to switch that fast, etc.
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Speaking as a chemistry major who's spent entirely too much time in lab screwing around with the liquified gases, don't worry. Seriously. I mean, I guess unless you didn't have _any_ ventilation in the room where you were fooling with it. Still... You can hold liquid N2 in your hand, no problem. (there is an interface layer where your body heat has converted the N2 liq->gas, so it's "floating" on a cushion of gaseous nitrogen; basically just don't try to drink it or something retarded like that) I actually did the superconducting ytterium compound/levitating magnet thing once using superconductor pellets held in my hand with liq N2 poured on top. :-) So don't freak out, the liquified gases are pretty benign compared to some of the shite us chemistry f00ls mess around with... (as a still-not-so-evil example, 18+ molar mineral acids, so concentrated that they behave more like jelly than liquid) probably the only "liquid air" compound I'd be cautious around would be liq O2 and that's only because of the flammability aspect... I guess the main thing with these compounds is be careful about really really super cold metals because you could frostbite off of them (boiling, and thus gas interface, point is high)... wear work gloves or something if you're handling things in direct thermal contact with the gas (i suppose I should say liquid).
sorry for any incoherency or bad grammar/spelling; very, very, very drunk at the moment ;-) wot can I say, chimay belgian ale is a great way to celebrate a radical success day at work...
if you want to mess around with ReallyCold(tm) but don't have access to liquified gases, try dry ice + (alcohol, usually ethanol or something more esoteric than that but methanol would do in a pinch (non-chemist-speak: grab some dry ice from Kroger's or a party store and mix it with rubbing alcohol, waaaay colder than you'd get with normal ice and water. in a pinch, just find the cheapest nastiest grain alcohol you can... (everkleer, what?) ;-))). in lab I've hit the -20/40 F region using just dry ice and some not-to-uncommon alcohols. as I recall the F scale itself was calibrated using esoteric mixtures of dry ice and ethanol. which, if you think about it, highlights the total absurdity of the non-metric temperature system. always kinda wondered if the water-bases liquid cooling systems could be adapted to use this class of stuff as a coolant...
Have fun, and play safe! (which, with these compounds, really means don't snort the vapors or drink the liquid)
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