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Greene's Grammy Speech Debunked

jonerik writes: "Today's New York Times has this article which debunks at least part of NARAS president Michael Greene's much-publicized speech at last week's Grammy Awards ceremony in which Greene claimed that he had hired three students to download a whopping 6,000 songs "from easily accessible Web sites" over two days. Leaving aside for a moment Greene's bizarre admission on national TV that he'd hired three students (at least one of whom, Numair Faraz, is a minor) to break the law (the No Electronic Theft Act), Faraz has been interviewed by the Times, saying that they spent more like three days on the project and that the other two students (both unnamed, though both are apparently attending U.C.L.A.) barely used P2P file-sharing programs at all. Instead, they used AOL's popular Instant Messenger to receive song files from friends."

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  1. Recording Artists Coalition by eracerblue · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is why many artists are taking a stand:

    Recording Artists Coalition

    (take a look, you'll be suprized who's there)

    ps. I think I did hear one person boo... I'm sure he/she got to enjoy the remainder of the grammays outside. :/

  2. Re:6000 WOW by Asetilean · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is actually quite easy to debunk:

    6000 mp3's @ approx. 3.5 - 4 mb per song / 3 Students for two days (48 hrs)

    (6000 * 3.5 * 1024)/(3 * 48 * 60^2) = kB/s

    Sustained data rates between 41 and 47 kB per second would be required to support the claim.

    Now, most of these "easily accessible Web sites" wouldn't sustain those rates to an individual user. And P2P definitely never gets close. The only real way to get that much data would be from other computers on the campus LAN not said web sites.

    So, now we know he lied in his speech apart from his ridiculus extrapolation to millions of students (when was the last time you skipped a month's worth of classes just so you could download all that pirate music?)

    My question is, why can't the broadcast media crunch these simple numbers and figure out that this guy is full of sh*t?

  3. Re:Pirates by td · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Pirate", being not in any dictionary acception what someone who copies a song or a software is

    This is simply untrue. For example, Webster's 7th New Collegiate Dictionary contains:

    pi.ra.cy
    ('p{i-}-r*-s{e-})
    ...
    2) n, the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or
    conception esp. in infringement of a copyright

    If you consult the OED, you'll see that the first recorded use of piracy in this sense is hundreds of years ago, only a few years after Britain enacted its first copyright laws. The idea that anyone today is trying to evoke brigandage on the high seas when they use piracy to refer to unauthorised reproduction of copyright material is not very credible.

    --
    -Tom Duff