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The Incredible Shrinking Antenna

pinkUZI writes "NYTimes ran an article yesterday about a new material, created by a general manager at Integral Technologies, that would enable use of the plastic mold of a cell phone as its Antenna. Pretty neat, as it actually increases the size of the antenna while decreasing the footprint."

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  1. Capacitance? by LoonXTall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this even work with a hand holding the plastic case?

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    1. Re:Capacitance? by AlexDeGruven · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't see why it wouldn't. Your antenna on your car isn't affected a large amount if you grab it. And, who knows, if you have a metal plate in your head, it may increase your signal by several orders of magnitude. I can see it now, no roaming, even from China

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  2. Brain Cancer? by FortKnox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How does this affect the old "Brain Cancer" study for cell phones?

    I heard that you want the antenna pointing out, not up, now the whole phone's the antenna.

    Anyone know the dealio with this? IANAD, so please take this with a grain of salt.

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  3. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by Brento · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, now my phone is gonna be so tiny I can put it on my keychain!

    What's so bad about that? And come to think of it, a keychain might make a decent antenna if you could wrap the wire right...

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  4. "a very effective radiator" by mosch · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Am I the only person who doesn't particularly like the idea of "a very effective radiator" next to my head part of the time, and next to my balls the rest of the time?

    It'd be nice to not have an antenna to break off, but I don't want it to be any more effective than the current ones, unless it's more directional, which the article does not indicate it is. More effective cell coverage seems a better solution to me.

    On the other hand, some of the other applications sound mighty nice, especially for military vehicles and such.

    1. Re:"a very effective radiator" by onion2k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then you had better stay away from table lamps - they're far more effective at spewing radiation than your cellphone

      The last time I held a table lamp to my head Iwas told to see a doctor.. as for the time I held one to my balls.. well..

    2. Re:"a very effective radiator" by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First off, it radiates radio waves, as you seem to understand. It doesn't radiate alpha particles or gamma rays or any such fission by-products. It's radiation, but not nearly as bad as the name implies to some.

      Some persons believe the EM radiation given off by cell phones is a hazard to your health; I actually tend to agree. The problem is, you can't make it less of an issue by using a crappy antenna. If the antenna is worse, you just generate a stronger signal to overcome that limitation. The power needed to contact the cell tower remains the same.

      So, you will have the same amount of radiation emitted into your brain cave whether or not the phone's antenna is efficient. You might as well just get an efficient antenna and save batter power, instead of holding back the tech out of paranoia.

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    3. Re:"a very effective radiator" by avdp · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was a widely reported study (in the US anyway) about radiations of various cellphone and their possible connection to brain cancer. This report was also broadcasted on 60 minutes or 20/20 or Dateline (one of those news magazine, forgot which).

      And essentially, it came out that the Motorolla Startacs were the best because the the flip design - the antenna is at an angle, farthest from your head, and partially shielded by the part of the cellphone that flipped up (I don't think Motorolla designed this phone thinking about brain cancer, they just got lucky). The worse were the Nokias where the antenna is straight up on top of the phone and so when you talk on the phone is close (if not touching your head).

      I guess what I am getting at is that the original poster definetely has a point. If you make the whole casing of the cell phone the antenna, wouldn't that potentially be bad? It's one think to have radio wave all over the air, it's another to stick your head on the emitter.

    4. Re:"a very effective radiator" by zmooc · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and eye cancer [com.com] [com.com] (just to emphasize the rather ridiculous domain name:P). Although this study was a bit small (as the researchers say themselves), the results aren't too accurate. But the conclusion is that cellphone users are 3 times more likely to develop cancer of the eye.

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  5. Ummm what external antenna? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Nokia 3330 (and I believe most nokias) already doesn't have an external antenna, so what's the big deal? Perhaps the antenna would effectivly be larger but again, I don't see a great deal of point in that, it's very rare that I get less than about 75% signal strength already, and there's more cells going up all the time.

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    1. Re:Ummm what external antenna? by dslbrian · · Score: 3, Informative

      I design cellphone ICs for a living, so I can tell you that this could potentially be a "big deal". Reason is that high gain antennas mean you can either get longer range OR you can get the same range at a lower power.

      If the PA (power amp) in the phone was connected to a high gain antenna, and did not have to put out as much power to reach the cell tower, that translates directly into a major power savings (the PA is one of the dominant power drains). Power savings means I don't need as big of a battery in the phone, which means I can shrink the battery and make the phone lighter and smaller and (very importantly) cheaper. Phones that are lighter and smaller sell better, this means $$$ for anyone who can make it work.

      And of course when the company makes $$$, that means big bonuses for all us working in the trenches, which gets back to the "big deal" part..

  6. Will a longer antenna be helpful or harmful? by Muddie · · Score: 5, Informative

    800 MHz cellular has a wavelength of approximately 37 centimeters, about 15 inches. So an ideal antenna would be half that, about seven and a half inches. This refers to the dipole, the distance from the tip of the antenna to the opposite end of the antenna buried inside the phone somewhere (usually near the bottom). 1900 MHz PCS has a wavelength of approximately 16 centimeters, about six inches. So the ideal antenna dipole is about 3 inches.

    The ideal antenna performs best if it is exactly perpendicular to the impinging waveform. In practice the orientation of the phone is somewhat random; the antenna will be pointed approximately upward, but probably at a slant. So cell phone manufacturers generally try to make the antenna 5/8's of a waveform, because if the antenna is at a slant, its cross-section relative to the impinging waveform will be near to the ideal half a wavelength. For a dual-band phone, one which operates at both 1900 and at 800 MHz, it's obvious that determining the antenna length is a bit of a problem. (But not insoluble; it's just a compromise. Since digital is usually more resilient than AMPS, usually the length is optimized for 800 MHz.)

    Making the antenna shorter will both decrease the amount of incoming signal the phone receives, and will make the phone's transmitter less efficient. But CDMA operates over a very wide range of effective powers, and it can usually compensate. That's why the phone will usually work with the antenna down. And because it's digital, if it is working it will sound exactly the same. This has lead some people to conclude that the antenna is not actually doing anything for them, which is not quite correct. While the phone can operate with the antenna down, it's easier on the phone if you raise the antenna; it has more signal ceiling to work with and will be less likely to drop the call. Also, it will use somewhat less transmit power, and your battery will last somewhat longer.

    Making it longer with some sort of extension is worse than useless; it actually degrades the signal. If the antenna is exactly one wavelength long and is exactly perpendicular to the impinging waveform, it will pick up essentially no signal at all.

    When it reaches one and a half wavelengths, signal strength is again maximized, but for physical reasons it's a bit lower than the strength with a half-wavelength antenna. (The physical reason is that the antenna is not an ideal conductor.)

    [stolen directly from the CDMA FAQ

  7. This is nothing..try fractal antennas. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 3, Interesting



    Amusingly, Slashdot rejected an article submission I had for fractal antennas and how they are vastly superior in terms of reception to whats on the market today. Better than the stuff mentioned in this article, certianly.

    Cheers, and yes PROPAGANDA will be back soon.

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  8. all fake by rebelcool · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ive lost the link to the article, but the FTC is taking them on for deceptive marketing. they do nothing, and in some cases, actually reduce reception..

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  9. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Good question!

    A resonant antenna, cut to exactly half a wavelength, has some advantages but it's not a necessity.

    The advantages are simpler circuit design, because it looks like a pure resistance and doesn't confuse the amplifier, and in theory a simple radiation pattern.

    In practice the pattern will depend on everything in the environment, so good antenna testing is Very Difficult. Take all claims with a grain of salt until you hear that the antenna has been tested on an expensive antenna test range by experienced people.

    When you're dealing with small fractions of a wavelength longer is better. For very short antennas, only a small fraction of the RF leaves as radiation before it's lost as heat from electrical resistance. "Longer is better" means "longer is more efficient".

    BTW you can take advantage of how antennas are affected by nearby objects. If you're in a fringe area, try standing right next to your car, with the base of the antenna level with the roof line. Circle around the car until you're in the right alignment with the cell tower for further optimization.

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  10. Score one for the pointy-haired bosses! by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Funny

    This may be the first time that a General Manager has accomplished anything!

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  11. Re:Longer = BAD, right? by SWPadnos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nope.

    The frequency of an antenna is determined by its' size and the speed of current flow in the material (among other things). The "tuning" of an antenna is dependent on what fraction of a wavelength (at the frequency of interest) is present on the antenna element(s) at one time. This is where you get the terms quarter-wave, half-wave, etc.

    A measure of the effectiveness of an antenna is the "capture area". This is the effective size of the antenna. The conductivity of the material is important here - the better the conductor, the smaller the antenna can be made. (actually, some research shows that a superconducting antenna could be infinitessimally small, and still give the capture area of a full-wave antenna.)

    There are a zillion variables in antenna design, and it seems like voodoo, but the net effect is that you can change a bunch of parameters, including the size, and end up with many different antenna configurations tuned to the same frequency.

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  12. Re:Uhuh... by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So, your telling me that a general manager created this? Riiiight.

    My manager designed antenna assemblies for the space shuttle. He also designed parts of the Mariner system for the Venus landings. He wrote code for computer systems that are designed to reboot themselves every 30 milliseconds. You try coding under that kind of constraint.

    The president of the company did spooky work on spy satellites. He still won't talk about it. But man, that guy hates Communists with a passion...

    And both of them could code circles around 99% of the people on Slashdot. Just because a person becomes a manager doesn't mean he becomes an idiot.

  13. Re:Shrinkage = Bad by Galvatron · · Score: 3, Informative

    He didn't say it doesn't work, he said it doesn't feel right, and I agree. I want what I'm talking into to be in front of my mouth, not over on the side of my face. Besides which, it seems that these small phones unconciously causes people to talk louder, to the point where many people on cell phones are almost shouting, to the great annoyance of all around them.

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  14. Re:Redundant? by monkeydo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uh, the antenna on those phones is inside the case. This technolgy would allow the case to be the antenna, eliminating the need for any seperate internal or external antenna. This in turn allows the phone to be smaller and more efficient.

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  15. Re:Uhuh... by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I believe you, BUT did they do those things while they were managers, or before they were promoted?

    It's a real problem, one that both IBM and many school systems face: how do you reward your best people? Traditionally, they get promoted, and one often finds that great researchers then become competent administrators (if you're lucky). You've lost a PhD and gained an MBA. Similarly many teachers become principals and are lost to the classroom.

    IBM came up with Fellowships for these guys -- recognition and money, but they can still get their hands dirty. Some school systems are creating titles like "Master Teacher", and giving them some authority to buck the system but letting them continue to teach.

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  16. Re:Redundant? by monkeydo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fuel cell technology will enable smaller batteries, and in the future your phone may be nothing more than a card in your wallet and you will talk on your wireless headset.

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  17. three words: aluminum foil hat by GCP · · Score: 3, Funny

    Matching foil underwear might be nice, too. For the man who has everything....

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