Slashdot Mirror


Canada to Raise Tariffs on Recordable Media

Joel Ironstone writes: "A new Canadian levy will be introduced in 2003 on all recordable media (pdf). The magnitude of these tariffs is staggering: $1.23 for all CD-RW's, $2.27 on all DVD-R's, and get this: $21 for each gigabyte of storage on portable MP3 players. That's an extra 160 dollars for a Nomad." Like in the U.S., this tax is collected and given directly to the record industry, a governmental subsidy for no apparent societal benefit.

16 of 759 comments (clear)

  1. Does it mean we can pirate legally by anandsr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the government is going to give money to RIAA
    and MPAA then it should be legal to pirate. They
    will be able to make all their money by subsidy.

    1. Re:Does it mean we can pirate legally by gregfortune · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've got a great idea.

      1. Start a business model that bases making money around a product that can easily be duplicated and shared.
      2. Cry foul when consumers realize they can share the product easily. (Ignoring the possiblity of a utopian society where everyone is honest)
      3. Earn income from your government because you are being cheated.
      4. Move an arm of your business to Canada.
      5. Repeat Steps 1-3 while expanding to as many countries as necessary.

      Ya know, that's a dang nifty idea Wonder if there's any possibility... nah...

    2. Re:Does it mean we can pirate legally by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Blank videocasette tapes in the US are sold with a portion of sales going to the MPAA for lost revenue due to piracy. This does not mean that pirating videos is legal. This means that stopping the casual piracy of videos is unenforceable, and as such consumers are free to illegaly copy videos, and the companies involved have been justly compensated.

      The sad thing about all of this is that most of the independent labels with bands worth pirating wouldn't see a dime from this outrageously high tax, and I severely doubt that, say, Qbert, DJ Seishi, or Courtney Love will get their fair share. Do artists ever get a cut from the RIAA?

      All that this means is that audio piracy is now a unstoppable institution, and "creators" are being paid by it. It may not be legal, but now it is moral.

      (IANAL)

    3. Re:Does it mean we can pirate legally by gilroy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Blockquoth the poster:

      This means that stopping the casual piracy of videos is unenforceable, and as such consumers are free to illegaly copy videos, and the companies involved have been justly compensated.

      Since everyone has to pay the levy, and not everyone is pirating, the companies might have been compensated but they have not been justly compensated. This whole model is intrinsically unjust.



      Imagine a proposed law that said, since shoplifting is common and unstoppable, all customers at every store will be stopped, background-checked, and strip-searched.

  2. It Hasn't Been Decided Yet by citizenc · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you read the .pdf, you will notice that it is a PROPOSED leavy -- it hasn't been implemented yet.

    That doesn't mean that it won't be, though. Canadians: contact your provincial premiere and let them know that the idea of a tarrif on media may be legit, but the prices proposed are simply unacceptable.

    Hell, you elected them -- that's why they're there.

    1. Re:It Hasn't Been Decided Yet by DataSquid · · Score: 5, Informative

      Deadline for written comment is May 8, 2002. So get writing! And for the love of God, use paper, much better impact. Remember, you don't need a stamp to mail your MP, so enjoy the free ride :) Look up an address here.

      --

      DataSquid.net, a little about me.
  3. This is absolutely disgraceful by drsquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What right does the government have to steal people's money in order to fund corporations? There is absolutely NO justifiable reason to tax people in order to benefit private corporations. This is an absolute disgrace. Whoever is responsible for this should be deported.

    The only solution to this is to import everything from the US for a much lower price, and to pirate much more music as revenge. Actually, it wouldn't be piracy, as the music has already been paid for through taxes.

  4. Some context is necessary by CmdrTaco+(editor) · · Score: 5, Informative
    Some context is necessary to make this more or less shocking.
    Right now, the tariffs for recordable media are as follows (from http://www.pch.gc.ca/culture/cult_ind/cpb-pdd/arch ives_e.htm):

    Audio Cassette Tape > 40 minutes = $0.29

    CD-R and CD-RW = $0.21

    CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio, and Minidiscs = $0.77

    In 2003, this will nearly double, but the most significant impact is the $/GB:
    CD-R and CD-RW = $1.23

    DVD-R = $2.27

    $/GB storage on MP3 player = $21

    This is completely unfair for independant artists who release their tracks exclusively in MP3- their fans are effectively paying the recording industry to buy independant music.

  5. One interesting thing about who gets the money.... by phunhippy · · Score: 5, Insightful



    One intersting thing is that it specifically states that only Owners of copyrighted MUSIC can share a portion of the tarrifs... and specifically excludes "Computer Software Programs"....

    Now correct me if I'm wrong.. Doesn't the Software industry claim to lose even more billions of dollars a year in piracy revenue(potential or not) then the music industry does?

    Now why would the software industry not lobby for a levy like this?

    1. Perhaps they know there would be a large backlash against their industry?
    2. They know the whole concept is just free cash for the music producers?(granted its canadian play money but hey ya know...)
    3. OR IS IT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY specifially wanted them excluded from the deal so they don't have to share there free cut of the cash cow.

    things that make ya go hmmmmmmmm..............eh?

  6. And... by Iamthefallen · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, goverments world wide have added a tax for pen and paper and any copying techniques which will effectively raise prices by 800%. Mr. John Doeyes from GreedyBastardsPublishing was quoted saying: "This is very important for the entire books industry, after years of studying we found that people were actually copying selected sections of books! Furthermore we found that students and proffesionals were taking a lot of notes based on our material, this illegal activity must seize for the good of the nation and democracy. Copying books or exerpts is aiding communism and terrorism by blocking the freedom of fair trade.

    Another proposed bill states that any books bought for multiuse purposes (meaning to be read to others) will see a price increase of 250%. Mr Doeyes again explains: We found that a large amount of parents actually read books out loud for their children, thus violating the single use license of the book. When someone reads the book out loud, 3 things happen, 1 person is reading it which is ok, then they relay the contents by voice, and another person listens, this is unacceptable because the industry loses the income it could've gotten from selling audio versions of the books. Not to mention infringing on the voice artists work by making a very poor copy of their effort, this is sheer terrorism at work! But after careful consideration we decided to only raise prices by 250% instead of 300%, this means that parents instead of buying a book license for themself, one audio license and one listeners license, they can get all 3 bundled at a lower cost, thus benefitting all.

    When asked if this isn't just excuses and heavy lobbying from the book industry to increase their revenues at consumers expense Mr. Doeyes giggled like a schoolgirl and laughed all the way to the bank.

    Or not, strange how different media have different rules ain't it?

    --
    Wax-Museum Fire Results In Hundreds Of New Danny DeVito Statues
  7. silver lining Re:It already is by peter+greaves · · Score: 5, Funny

    >you're still supporting Celine Dion's retirement fund.

    yeah but at least it means she might retire sooner which would be a good thing.

    --
    The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction, but they eat more steak.
  8. Re:I see a market in smuggling MP3 players. by ObitMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well Canadians gan get all the MP3 players from us they want.
    We in return want Canadian high capacity toilets.
    The low water capacity toilets do not flush sufficiently for American (yes the whole continent)style loads.

    --
    Who run Barter Town?
  9. Don't laugh by jeti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know if you're aware of this, but you quoted
    the license terms for Adobe ebooks quite precisely:

    No printing is permitted on this book.
    This book cannot be given to someone else.
    This book cannot be read aloud.


    These are actual terms in the license for the ebook version
    of 'Alice in Wonderland'. This is even more strange because
    the original text is by now in the public domain.
    You can get a free, legal copy at Project Gutenberg.
    It has even been suggested that the text of the ebook version was
    actually taken from the Gutenberg archives.

    Here's an article that a quick search retrieved.

  10. A tarif on media is NOT legit by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 5, Interesting

    tarrif on media may be legit

    Oh no it 'aint!
    I use CD's solely to make HD backups and blank casstte tapes solely to record myself playing the gutair!

    Or are we now suddenly all guilty of piracy and have to prove our inocence?

    --
    Anyone quoted by a reporter knows how little they understand
    Don't believe what you read is the truth.
  11. Re:It already is by ParisTG · · Score: 5, Informative
    Nope. Copying music for "personal use" is specifically allowed. See this link.

    Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of (a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording, (b) a performer's performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or (c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer's performance of a musical work, is embodied onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer's performance or the sound recording.

    Unless I'm misunderstanding? Please correct me if I am.

  12. RESPOND to the REQUEST FOR COMMENTS!!! by FFFish · · Score: 5, Informative

    For land's sake, please respond to the request for comments! Doesn't matter if you're a Canuck or not: while they won't actually use a foreign comment, it will surely make an impression on them.

    Comments should be emailed to majeau.claude@cb-cda.gc.ca


    Please be polite but strong. Make it clear to them that this levy harms you, and is going to harm artists.

    The most important bit of the proposal follows. Note that it doesn't matter that most of these media are used for data archival: everyone still gets punished because someone might copy a Canadian artist.

    "3. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the levy shall be
    (a) 60 for each audio cassette of 40 minutes or more in length;
    (b) 59 for each CD-R, CD-RW or each unit of any other type of recordable or rewritable compact disc of 100 megabytes or more of storage capacity;
    (c) $1.23 for each CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio or MiniDisc;
    (d) 0.8 for each megabyte of memory in each removable electronic memory card, each removable flash memory storage medium of any type, or each removable micro-hard drive;
    (e) $2.27 for each DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM or each unit of any other type of recordable or rewritable DVD;
    (f) 2.1 for each megabyte of memory in each non-removable electronic memory card or each non-removable flash memory storage medium of any type incorporated into each MP3 player or into each similar device with internal electronic or flash memory that is intended for use primarily to record and play music;
    (g) $21 for each gigabyte of memory in each non-removable hard drive incorporated into each MP3 player or into each similar device with an internal hard drive that is intended for use primarily to record and play music. "

    --

    --
    Don't like it? Respond with words, not karma.