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AOL Beta Testing Gecko-Based Browser
Bedouin X writes: "MozillaZine is reporting that AOL has released a Gecko client for Windows! Scuttlebutt says that it's based on Gecko .94.2. While I think that the common assumption that AOL including Gecko equals 34 million new OSS users is fallacious (most AOL hits on my site are 5.0), there is no denying that it would be a major - though seemingly inevitible - win and great for a more standard web. Maybe Capital One would quit being the lone holdout of my creditors that don't support Mozilla." Reader SEE also adds a link to a story on CNET.
Like it or not, there are lots of AOL users out there. Even if all 30 million people out their don't upgrade anytime soon, there will still be enough to matter. Each day I browser in Mozilla, more and more sites render correctly on it.
Most importantly, sites that say "works best in Internet Explorer" may have to reevaluate their stance on the issue.
Netscape is about to be back in the ring, and just lined up millions of people in their corner. Standards might mean something again soon.
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What AOL has to consider is its 34million users turning round and saying "the latest version of AOL is broke", if it's not rendering IE specific content correctly.
While this may be true, the number of sites that utilize MS specific technologies is actually fairly small. But regardless of the percentage that do use broken HTML, if AOL is going to move away from IE they have to do it sooner rather than later. *If* MS comes up with some new whiz-bang HTML "extension" and it catches on, AOL will have less room to maneuver.
I don't think AOL wants to be dependant upon MS for the browser. The sooner they break away from MS and start using Gecko the better not only for AOL, but the net as a whole.
- Rev.What AOL has to consider is its 34million users turning round and saying "the latest version of AOL is broke", if it's not rendering IE specific content correctly.
While some of them are certainly going to complain to AOL, others will complain to the webmasters. And when enough webmasters make their sites standards-complaint, less users will complain to AOL. Let's hope the number of compliant sites reaches a critical mass before AOL decides to drop Gecko.
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They did this once before, though. If I remember correctly, when AOL made the switch to IE, Netscape had a strong majority of the browser market and IE was still of the very poor quality that you can expect from early Microsoft releases. Websites were targetted to Netscape at the time, there were pages that didn't render right in IE, and yet AOL made the switch.
The other thing to consider is that Mozilla's rendering is downright excellent these days. I haven't had any problems rendering sites with it for a long time now. Are users really going to be getting a lot of error messages after the switch? And even if they do, why would they blame AOL? Years of Windows use has conditioned people to expect errors all the time which they can't do anything about so they shrug their shoulders and move on.
AOL has been testing Mozilla with their Compuserve users for awhile now and the tests have reportedly gone well. I don't think this is a bluff.
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However, the major hold up is that my bank refuses to allow me to use it - the site became inaccessible to modern Netscape/Mozilla browsers curiously enough at about the same time the whole thing went .asp-based.
UK Natwest-using Slashdotters - do your bit! I have, I've mailed their feedback section asking when a Netscape greater than 4.x will be supported, pointing out the new AOL announcement. I added Mozilla in too, but this is a mainstream place and hammering on at their Netscape support is likely to get you further.
Query form is here and then select "Feedback" from the drop-down.
Cheers,
Ian
If AOL really does switch browsers, then some interestings may happen that will show us who really has the power to control the Internet. The key issue is whether or not the owners of the non-conforming web sites will fix their sites. If they do, then that would prove that Microsoft does control the net (yet). On the other hand, if the owners of non-conforming sites do not fix their pages, then that proves Microsoft is already in defacto control.
Now some readers are probably dismissing this as too simplistic:
Can AOL really change the net? You gotta be kidding! It's not that simple!
I'm not kidding. I think that it really does come down to AOL vs. MS. The Internet is driven by content, and if a abrupt change by one company (AOL) can reverse the non-conformance trend that Microsoft has been pushing for several years, then that will illustrate just how influencial AOL (by way of it's web brower) can be.
Of course, if AOL's current test is just a bluff to try to improve their business position with Microsoft, then that will prove that MS is already in control.
And that would mean that the sucess of .NET is almost certain.
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No company is going to leave its web site unavailable to 34 million people, not when they can make the site standards-compliant and work in both IE and AOL. Netscape 4.x is a different matter, granted - you almost had to have two copies of your site for a while. But if AOL uses Gecko, then the web's back to only one site for everyone, and all of us using non-IE browsers will benefit from that. AOL's 34 million newbies could be the best thing that's happened to the web in the last couple years (betcha never saw that coming :).
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I predict that when AOL controls the server AND client, they will take off into an AOL proprietary universe over the next few years. There wil then be the internet and there will be AOL. I mean it's practically that way now. But because they didn't own the browser in the past they had to stick with web standards and people could use other browsers to get to their network. As soon as AOL 8 is completely installed (Still a couple years at least for full conversion) there will be no reason to stick soley with standards any more. They will be a embracin' and a extendin' with the best of them...
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