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Serial ATA Coming
John Doe writes "Heatseekerz.net Has a new article dedicated to Serial ATA @ Cebit 2002. This technology will be here sooner then you think!" The article is a little thin, but I haven't heard
a lot about what looks to be a very common standard in the not so distant future.
Find specs and other technical info here.
Until now hardrives have been limited to a master and a slave on a single controller. The Serial ATA standard allows you to connect more than two in a daisy chain similar to SCSI.
Hope that clears things up, it did for me.
there's already a high speed serial that can be used for ide drives. its called usb2 and also firewire.
I am using an external drive bay that takes FW in and converts (with a very small pcb) to 40pin ide (ata100). cost isn't much ($70) and the controller isn't either ($30).
I was able to copy an 80gig drive from native ide to a remote ide via firewire on the latest linux 2.4.18 kernel in about 3 hrs or less.
serial ide would probably JUST be ide. but serial usb2 and FW are more general purpose (video, etc).
I think serial ide is just too late in the market.
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That's a matter of opinion. Remember, this requires new hard drives - something that doesn't exactly happen every day in big business. You're talking new hard drive duplicators, external hard drive enclosures, etc. This is like saying fibre channel hard drives are available today - well, sure they are, but they aren't getting big play in your typical home or business.
What's your damage, Heather?
Firewire is so cool, they should just use it for hard drives also.
Integrate the controller on the motherboard if you have to.
Should have used Serial ATA!
I sig, therefore I was.
Q1: What is Serial ATA and Why is it being developed?
A1: Serial ATA is an evolutionary replacement for the Parallel ATA physical storage
interface. Serial ATA is scalable and will allow future enhancements to the computing
platform.
Q2: Previous efforts to transition to a serial bus were not successful. Why do you
believe that Serial ATA will be successful?
A2: Serial ATA is a drop-in solution in that it is compatible with today's software, which
will run on the new architecture without modifacation. It will provide for systems which
are easier to design, with cables that are simple to route and install, smaller cable
connectors, improve silicon design, and lower voltages which alleviate current design
requirements in Parallel ATA.
Q3: Will there still be a parallel ATA bus when Serial ATA comes out?
A3: Serial ATA's adoption by the industry will follow a phased transition path. There
will be a point where both Parallel and Serial ATA capabilities are available.
Q4: You stated that PCs implementing Serial ATA will be in the marketplace in
2002. Why does it take so long to implement?
A4: The goal of the working group is to ensure the Serial ATA transition happens as
smoothly and quickly as possible. The Serial ATA specification is expected to be
complete in the fall of 2000 with adoption to happen in the following 12 to 18 months.
Q5: What are the end user benefit of Serial ATA?
A5: End users will benefit by being able to easily upgrade their storage devices.
Configuration of Serial ATA devices will be much simpler, with many of today's
requirements on jumper and settings no longer needed.
Q6: What is the cost to implement Serial ATA in a system?
A6: The cost of Serial ATA technology will be on par with today's Parallel ATA
technology.
Q7: Who are the members of the Serial ATA Working Group? Can new companies
join?
A7: The Serial ATA promoters group includes APT Technologies Inc, Dell Computer
Corporation, International Business Machines, Intel Corporation, Maxtor Corporation,
Quantum Corporation, and Seagate Technology. Information on joining the working
group is available at www.serialata.org and new members are welcome.
Q8: Hard disk data rates don't seem to be pushing the limits of current ATA66
technology. Why is Serial ATA being planned now?
A8: Serial ATA is an evolutionary replacement for the Parallel ATA physical storage
interface and will allow future enhancements to the computing platform. Specifically, the
thinner Serial ATA cable addresses OEM's concerns regarding airflow around the
Parallel ATA cable, and enables design of smaller PC chassis, as well as silicon vendors
concerns regarding 5 volt tolerance support in future designs.
Q9: Will Serial ATA be compatible with today's PCs?
A9: Serial ATA electronics and connectors will differ from Parallel ATA, however the
technology is software compatible and OS transparent. It is anticipated that there will be
adapters to facilitate forward- and backward-compatibility of hard disks on PC systems.
Q10: What is the impact of Serial ATA on OEMs?
A10: Industry benefits of Serial ATA include systems which are easier to design with
cables that are simple to route and install, smaller cable connectors with improved silicon
design, lower voltage which alleviates current design requirements in Parallel ATA and
compatibility with today's software which will run on the new architecture without
modification.
Q11: Beyond hard disks, will Serial ATA be used on floppy drives, optical drives,
DVDs, and ZIP drives?
A11: Serial ATA supports all ATA and ATAPI devices, including CDs, DVDs, tapes
devices, high capacity removeable devices, zip drives, and CDRW's.
Q12: What is the impact of Serial ATA on IEEE1394 (aka Firewire) and on USB2
in terms of PC system function?
A12: Serial ATA is planned to be the primary storage interface inside the PC system,
and is not planned as an external interface to PC storage or peripherals. USB2 and
IEEE1394 connections on the PC can be used where required as peripheral interfaces.
Q13: When does Microsoft plan to support Serial ATA in its OS's?
A13: Serial ATA is software compatible with Parallel ATA and requires no changes to
Microsoft operating systems, or any other OS as well.
Q14: What are the licensing requirements and costs of Serial ATA to companies
that want to use the technology?
A14: When the Serial ATA specification is complete, it will be made available at no
charge. The working group expects to complete the specification later this year.
There are a number of issues that it seems that SerialATA doesn't address that it should:
1) Power to the device is still separated from the data connection.
2) Because it is backwards compatible with regular ATA it appears it will have the same limitations on the number of devices you can connect, i.e. 2 per channel.
3) It is unusable for external devices.
Why upgrade to a standard whose only advantage is a speed increase we don't need and smaller cables that can be done with parallel ATA ala "round" IDE cables? Seems like a huge investment that would be better made in FireWire 2.0 or something similar so that you can use the same interface internally and externally, with power provided, and have many devices on the same bus.
"If I can see farther it is because I am surrounded by dwarves." -- Murray Gell-Mann
-replaces the long ribbon cable with a nice thin "serial" cable"
-replaces the seperate power connector and integrates it with the data cable
-standardizes the location of the data/power plugs
-allows for hotswap(partly because the location of the plugs are now standard)
For those who are still wondering about CPRM on the Serial ATA spec, these documents may be of some use.
(no pictures! :)
Serial ATA, A New Standard
Serial Advanced Technology A ttachment is an evolutionary high-speed serial link replacement for the parallel ATA attachment of internal storage devices. It connects hard disks, DVDs, CD-R/Ws, zip drives and all other ATA and ATAPI devices to the motherboard in desktop and mobile PCs, servers and network storage.
The new point-to-point device communicates trough a 4 layer interface:
4) Application Layer 3) Transport Layer 2) Link Layer 1) Physical Layer
If you want more information, you can download the Serial ATA 1.0 specifications at http://www.serialata.org
The reason for the late breakthrough of Serial ATA is that nobody wanted to, unnecessarily, spend time and money, developing a new interface. Because of the higher performance demands, several companies had to cooperate developing a much better, more intelligent ATA: Serial ATA will allow these future enhancements to the computing platform.
The Serial ATA working group that developed the Serial ATA specification was led by APT Technologies Inc, Dell Computer Corporation, International Business Machines (IBM), Intel Corporation, Maxtor Corporation, and Seagate Technology.
Seagate and Maxtor told us the new drives would be shipping in autumn, but the real breakthrough will take place when chipset manufacturers (Intel/Via) have integrated Serial ATA on their Southbridge.
Benefits
Let's take a look at some end user benefits of Serial ATA:
No software depency, it's 100% compatible with today's software and OS transparent.
Easier configuration of the storage devices (jumpers are no longer needed).
Supports lower cost device architectures.
Much better cabling and connectors: the thin and flexible cables result in better airflow trough the pc housing and enables design of smaller PC/motherboard chassis. Therefore, they are simple to route and install, and can be up to 1m long.
Last but not least, a higher bandwidth: the transfer rate exceeds all current ATA standards. Generation 1, 2 and 3 S-ATA supports respectively up to 150MB/s (1.2Gbits/sec), 300MB/s (2.4Gbits/sec), 600MB/s (4.8Gbits/sec). As Serial ATA works asynchronous, there are no isochronous requirements.
The Prototypes
Seagate's SATA prototype:
Maxtor's prototype:
When we take a closer look at the connectors, we see there's a slight difference: Maxtor used the 35B1 configuration, starting right: the Serial ATA connector, with both power and signal segments, legacy jumper and power connector. Seagate used the 35B4 configuration which has no legacy power connector.
The Serial ATA signal segment counts seven pins: three ground pins a transmitter signal pair and a receiver signal pair. The Serial ATA power segment counts 15 pins, containing three different voltages: 3.3V, 5V and 12V.
The prototypes momentary shown, need a PCI-to-SATA host controller or a SATA-to-Parallel ATA bridge chip.
Maxtor used the first one:
The Future
By the end of 2002, there should be SATA-sytems on the market. As you might have noticed, the parallel ATA is finally dead, though it could take up to four years to eliminata all parallel ATA devices. Nevertheless, I'm going to wait buying a new system, because most new technology suffers childhood disease.
As far as the name "Serial ATA," it's a smart move. It will create the impression in people's mind that it's an "extention" or "enhancement" of standard ATA, without necessarily being backwards compatible at all. But, hey, once it gains market share, and the SATA drives start filling the shelves at Best Buy, it won't really matter.
dinner: it's what's for beer
Third, Serial ATA--unlike SCSI--doesn't require you to load device drivers out of the wazoo to support devices on the bus. The only driver you'll probably need is the driver for the motherboard chipset that incorporates Serial ATA support. this is an OS design issue. you don't have to do this with Linux. there is a single SCSI driver, based on the identity of your SCSI controller. All other SCSI devices attached to the bus are accessed using this driver. this has never really been true under Windows or MacOS, but it has nothing to do with SCSI itself, just the rather silly way developers of and for those platforms have gone about creating the driver architecture.
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Wasn't IBM developing serial standard decade ago? Whatever happened to that? (I think it was called SSA or Fibre-Channel)
how they design the new, thinner cable so it just barely reaches, then falls short when you have to flip it 180 degrees to get pin 1 in the right place. If it can't do that, I don't want it.
Evil is the money of root.
Parallel ATA cannot scale to support several more speed doublings, and is nearing its
performance capacity. By contrast, Serial ATA's roadmap starts at 1.5 gigabits per second
(equivalent to a data rate of 150 MB/s) and migrates to 3.0 gigabits per second (300 MB/s), then
to 6.0 gigabits per second (600 MB/s). This roadmap supports up to 10 years of storage
evolution, based on historical trends.
> Pardon my ignorance, but can somebody explain
> why serial ATA is faster than the current
> (parallel) ATA?
>
> On PC's, parallel ports are significantly
> faster than serial ports because they transmit
> 8 bits at a time instead of serial's one bit at
> a time. Wouldn't the same thing hold true for
> parallel vs serial ATA?
>
> Please explain.
In a perfect world, parallel would always be faster than serial. However, what happens is that due to outside factors (shape of the cable, EM interference at the time, etc) when you send those 8 bits down a parallel port, they don't all arrive at the destination at exactly the same time. The faster you send them, the more likely they are to not arrive when you send them since your tolerances get lower. This is referred to as signal skew.
Serial ATA borrows a technique from LVD SCSI devices which is low-voltage differential signaling. They send the pulses down 2 lines polarity reversed. By using 2 wires instead of 9 (8 data bits + a clock) or in UDMA land 20 wires (16 data lines, IOR, IOW, DMARQ, DREQ) the chances of them being significantly different than one another is less, because they're closer to following a consistent path through space. This allows them to toggle the lines MUCH faster in LVD applications than parallel applications, which gives us much higher data rates.
Another thing is that the IDE bus still uses TTL signal levels (5V/0V), meaning that it takes a HUGE amount of power to wiggle all those 40 conductors up and down to get some data across. The little chipsets on motherboards these days have trouble supplying enough internal power to do that, so LVD will help them make less complicated circuits in the chipset to talk serial ATA.
eric
More data, damnit!
The 48-bit command set is part of the ATA-6 specification that you can read at www.t13.org. Serial ATA will support this command set.
Most vendors don't need to support 48-bits yet because they don't have drives that are big enough. Many manufacturers do not make 4-platter IDE drives anymore, and with the current technology of 40GB/platter, the 3-platter disks are only 120GB.
When the next generation comes in at 60 or 80 GB/platter, they'll support 48-bit commands as needed.
More data, damnit!
There is a lot of misinformation being thrown around, so I thought I'd quote the spec:
2.1 Goals and objectives
Setial ATA is defined with the following goals and requirements listed in no particular order:
* Primarily inside-the-box storage connection (no outside the box)
* Completely SW transparent w/ ATA (easy transition)
* Low pin count for both host and devices (2 pairs)
* Favorable (low) voltages
* Supports lower cost device architectures
* Higher performance than equivalent ATA (data rate, queuing, overlap) w/ scalability to higher
* Much better cabling/connectors (thin, flexible)
* Includes efficient power delivery
* No software dependency. Relatively easy transition (price, IHV NRE and capital inventory risk, wide variety of devices at intro, etc.)
* Power management and power consunption suitable for mobile use
* Allows roadmap spanning ~10 years
* Cable length comparable to ATA (<1 m)
* Transfer rate exceeding best ATA (~150 MB/s) with scalability to higher rates
* Light protocol allowing overhead latencies to be minimized
* Asynchronous only (no isochronous requirements)
* No Peer-peer transfer support (to/from host only)
* Provides support for 1st party DMA access to host
* Cost competitive with equivalent parallel ATA solution at introduction (host + device + cable)
* Storage device centric (no cameras/scanners/printers)
* Easy installation/configuration (plug/play, no jumpers, no external terminators)
* Single host (no multi-initiators or host/host networking)
NO, it does not have $1/PC patent royalties per chip. Apple waived that years ago.
So there is not a price problem caused by Apple.
It's expensive because it's expensive. Because Intel invented USB, and Apple invented 1394, Intel has doggedly refused, even up to the present day, to support the standard on its own mobos. Intel FUD took care of the rest. So it has taken years to reduce the price of the chipsets -- but not because of the licensing fees. It's a matter of unit cost. Since Intel was actively hostile to the (superior) tech, it retarded the acceptance of 1394 and kept production costs artificially high. Chicken and egg...
But thanks to Apple, and common sense, people realized that Firewire was simply superior to USB in every way but price. Just compare an iPod to a standard USB MP3 player - transfer speed enormously faster, and Firewire also charges the iPod's batteries during the process.
So the prices came down despite determined opposition -- the market actually worked, sort of.
Firewired external CD-RW drives and hard drives work fine, and speedily. Putting the drive into the PC itself seems obvious.
The fly in this soup: 1394 developers seem determined to insert copy control into the cable/controller hardware. If there will be a choice between mediocre USB with no DRM, and 1394 with DRM, I'd throw the 1394/DRM equipment into the garbage, even if it were free!