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France Legalizes Mobile Phone Jamming

Metrollica writes: "Wired has reported that France has become the first country to legalize mobile phone jamming in public much to the support of the citizens. A quote from the article indicates that jamming will 'make it impossible to make or receive calls, voice mails and text messages on a mobile telephone.'"

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  1. Might this push bluetooth-like capabilities? by dschuetz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The main reason for people wanting things like this is to keep people's phones from ringing in the middle of, say, a movie. They say that bluetooth technologies will help prevent things like that from happening, by having the theater automatically put all phones into "silent" ring mode when you walk in. Or so one hopes.

    Might things like this eventually push broader acceptance of thse kinds of features? Or will it just piss off everyone? (I know it'd piss me off, if I were in a profession where I relied on a remote page for, say, something life-threatening. I know I already take efforts to mute my pilot and turn off my phone when I go into a theater...)

    Another classic example of punishing the innocent because of the abuses of a few jerks.

    1. Re:Might this push bluetooth-like capabilities? by OneFix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (I know it'd piss me off, if I were in a profession where I relied on a remote page for, say, something life-threatening.

      Ok, lets think this through...First off, it mentions "mobile phones" specifically, and while it might be obvious that any existing technology would also effect pagers, it's not exactly imposible to jam ONLY cell phones...or better yet, only allow certain phones to work...(what keeps Motorolla from designing a "Medical Use Only" pager that won't be jammed by these devices).

      The other thing is, if a cell phone or a pager is being jammed, the device should tell the user ("Out Of Range" or "No Service" message) and you can make a CHOICE to either stay at that establishment (and face the possible consequences), or in the case of a movie theater...simply walk up to the manager before your movie starts and say "I would like my money back...I'm a doctor and I can't stay here because my pager is being jammed". Or if you are seeing a movie, call your hospital and leave the number of the theater with them...

      If this happens with enough ppl, then they might disable the jamming equipment or what is more likely the case, this becomes yet another reason why you are generally paid more money for being put on pager duty.

      Then again, I know that parametics and doctors can carry walkie-talkies that are activated by a base station in a car...this is pretty much the same technology as police use.

  2. Good riddance by Deagol · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I wish they'd do that here in the States. I'm so sick of people yapping on their cell-phones, mostly trying to appear self-important. And don't give me the "emergency" argument -- we survived just fine in the pre-cellphone era.

    Having been a cell-phone user for the past 6 years, I still don't understand why anyone must talk to someone everywhere they go. I mostly keep my (employer-issued) phone off. If I must call anyone, I wait until I park the car and discreetly talk in the car. For the most part, if I'm not at my home or my office, I can't be reached and I like it that way. If I didn't use a modem, I wouldn't have a home phone at all.

    I just wish someone would invent an "oxygen jamming" device, so I don't have to pass through clouds of noxious cigarette fumes on the sidewalk. That, and a "screaming child jammer". :)

  3. Re:I am surprised by silicon_synapse · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The government is not preventing people from being annoyed. They are making it possible for business owners, etc. to prevent their customers from being annoyed by other customers. This is a very important distinction. They are basically formally granting more rights to its citizens. I wish the US would follow their example. The one stipulation I would suggest is that cell phones can only be jammed where hard-wired phones are readily available in case of emergency and the jammers can be easily and quickly disabled by their owners in the event of an emergency.

  4. Interesting by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have mixed feelings about this one.

    On one hand, everyone in a local area ought to have as much equal rights to the EM band for cell phone use as they have equal rights to acoustic energy bands for talking, boom boxes, etc. So that individuals have some right to low noise in movie theaters, for example.

    On the other hand, suppose that individual in the theater is getting an urgent call having to do with life-threatening events affecting a loved one?

    It's too easy to a draw a simple line that will be wrong.

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  5. Re:I am surprised by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 3, Insightful
    How about a simple "vibrate-only or off, talk in the lobby" (and make that for regular conversation as well -- good luck) policy? If a phone rings, ask the customer to leave, same as you would if he were talking too loudly to the guy next to him.

    Otherwise, you've lost my business. I chose my phone precisely because it has a silent mode.

    Now if they could jam babies...

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  6. Already in Finland by jahalme · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hmm, the latest Sandrew-Metronome movie theater complex here in Turku, Finland already uses some kind of denial-of-service method in their theatres. As soon as I step into the theatre, my GSM phone shows the field strength drop to zero and the connection to the operator is lost.

    Couldn't find any information regarding whether this is accomplished by just making a huge Faraday cage around the theatre, actively jamming the GSM frequency spectrum or some other method.

    But anyway, it must already be legal here as it's being used, no?

  7. Negative Effects by cassandy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some one made the remark about posts talking about the vital need for cellphones. Here it is.

    Many people in the Armed Forces (active force or reserve) have to carry cell phones or pagers while they are on call. _At no time_ are they allowed to be inaccessible to both their home phone and their pager/cell phone while on call. If jamming becomes legal in Canada and the United States, it must come with a clause that all persons must be informed that their cell phone/pager has been turned off.

    In a case like in a theatre, where cell phones and pages have their signals jammed, the theatre should have to give notification that from point A to point B, there are jammers being used.

    And yes, places that do use jammers will lose buisiness from people who want to be able to get phone calls (such as some one waiting for a friend in a restaurant, a doctor watching a movie while on call, etc).

    Just my 2 cents ^-^

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  8. Re:what about.. by satch89450 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok, so what happens when you live in an apartment in the inner city and one of the neighboring businesses decided that they wish to use this technology to make their restaurant peaceful for the customers?

    If we were dealing with high power or [comparatively] low frequencies, you would have a point. Frankly, the metal used in commercial buildings tends to block RF at the frequencies used by cell phones -- unless the building owners specifically take steps to make the signal available within his store.

    Jammers don't need to be powerful to be effective. When the building's walls attenuate the signal 30-40 dB already, it doesn't take much radiation inside the cage to completely mask the signal from the cell site, and result in a "No Signal" indication. Done right, it would take a handful of milliwatts to get the job done...and the same wall that attenuates incoming signals also attenuates the level of the jamming signal seen outside the building, so neighboring buildings wouldn't be affected at all.

    In the school situation you brought up in your question, the school would deploy a number of very-low-power tuned-band white-noise generators in the building so that the jamming effect would not be noticed from the parking lot or the playground, let alone at the neighbor's house or the road in front of the school.

  9. vibrate, damnit by Khopesh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    this is a completely rediculous loss of rights.
    i have a cellphone and have never gone out in public with it on 'ring' ... i have it on vibrate. if i go to a movie, i leave it on. if i get a call during the movie, i check the caller and usually just turn off the ringer for the rest of the call. this way i can respond to emergencies or good friends (i would obviously leave the theater before answering).

    this is rather similar to the gagging of loud children, or even allowing the shooting of stupid people. ...sure, it would be nice, but only in third-person!

    the biggest problem with vibrating phones for most people (students and women at least) is that the phone is kept in a bag/purse ... so vibration isn't noticed. cellphone manufacturers could fix this by introducing a wristband, necklace, or wallet attachment that receives a wireless signal from the phone and vibrates (with the phone) on rings.

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  10. Not good by Xenophon+Fenderson, · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I expect there will be lots of replies saying how unnecessary cellphones are (blabbermouths in cinemas, road accidents, etc.) to society

    Humans have survived for millions of years without cellphones. Humans have also survived for millions of years without public sanitation systems and medicine. Society isn't going to disintegrate just because you get a little annoyed with people who want to talk to their friends 24 hours a day from every point on the globe.

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