Mozilla Tree Closes for 1.0

fire-eyes writes "After many years, the Mozilla cvs tree just closed for 1.0. " It's been a long time coming. And I'm glad that on Unix we still have a browser war since Konqueror and Mozilla are both excellent browsers. Congratulations to every developer who committed a line of code, but mostly to you guys in the middle who had to wrangle the whole project.

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Version 1.0?

[Reality Master 101]

Which version will have CSS that works?*

*spoken by someone who basically gave up trying to get toggling of a field's visibility to work, and are probably going to be forced to block all Mozilla browsers.

Re:Version 1.0?

[Kaira]

Since Mozilla has had the best CSS 1 and 2 support among the currently available browsers for quite a few versions ... well, we all know why you can't get it to work, don't we ?

Re:Version 1.0?

[Reality Master 101]

Imagine a gas station that blocked all Fords.

OK, now imagine a car that explodes when you try and use a standard gas pump. It's not a stretch to imagine that it's better to block those cars and give them a warning rather than let them go on.

I'm not advocating this policy for every site, but for my particular case (where we are handling extremely sensitive data, namely credit reports), it does make sense. It's a vertical market application. Our users are interested in the web site working, and working correctly.

A Finished Product?

[tickticker]

Don't these guys realize you can't just take the time to do it right? They should be on release 5.134. This will never work!

Oh, it did? Now what will the rest of the software industry do?

slashdot irritating editorializing

[strombrg]

Is anyone else tired of Taco plugging konqueror every time something good (or bad) happens to mozilla?

Don't forget Opera!

[jbuilder]

In talking about this little 'browser war' don't forget about Opera. Opera is *faster* than Mozilla, *smaller* than Mozilla and, IMHO, *definitely* more stable than Mozilla. I can't say anything for or against Konqueror since I've never used it, but I can say for sure that as Mozilla has gotten closer to 1.0 it's gotten slower, flakier, and more crash-prone.

None for me, thanks. I've had enough of Blowzilla. I'll use Opera on my Linux boxes...

Re:oh, well good

[Reality Master 101]

But, your attitude is really poor, and it's attitudes like yours that have made the web as lousy as it is today.

First of all, the web site I work on is not a public web site. It's a vertical market application, so it's not a big deal if we tell them IE only. That's not to say that I wouldn't like to support other browsers, but how much time do I have to waste on Netscape/Mozilla?

Quite frankly, I AM F***ING TIRED OF WORKING AROUND BUGS IN NETSCAPE/MOZILLA.

I'm certain that anyone who has been down this road would sympathize with me. Trying to get Netscape 4.7 to work is out of the question, but I was half-willing to spend some time getting Netscape 6 to work. Then it became the same old story -- I try and make something work, and it just doesn't work. How many hours am I supposed to waste on it?

Trust me, I have way better things to do than code around Netscape/Mozilla bugs.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

[cswiii]

I said this just after the 0.9.9 release -- and I'll reiterate those points, because none of them have been fully fixed... and I don't mean just little niggling things, (although the <TEXTAREA bug is at least bearable now), I mean serious crash issues.

For example, what happens if I try to print two pages in a row that contain moderate numbers of images? Inevitably, the browser crashes long and hard. It was suggested that printing problems might be fixed in 0.9.9, but I had the same issues, all over again. I would hope that high visiblity crashes such as these would be caught and fixed well before 1.0, so that all the "fringe" test cases that might arise from this bug might be weeded out as well. Alas, such doesn't appear to be the case.

Oh well. Perhaps I'll enter another bug, although I find it hard to believe that something like this hasn't been reported yet. Of course, regardless, my bug will just be pushed off to a 1.0+ milestone :/.

Re:Diehard IE User and I'm not switching

[Qrlx]

I am a diehard IE user (and Proxomitron user, and ad.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 hosts file editor) simply because all too often, sites don't work with OTHER BROWSERS.

For instance, if you try to do a search on the MSI forums page it doesn't work with Mozilla 0.9.9. Many other sites experience similar problems. Like my online banking page doesn't like Mozilla.

You can whine all you want about Webmasters not abiding by WWW standards and using custom extensions, but you know what? At the end of the day you still need to use IE to view their site. And I am not in a position to shun all poorly crafted web sites because of some ideological motivation, be it hatred of MS or proprietary webmasters.

All you haters out there, why don't quit yer bitchin and build a browser with the same functionality as IE? I would love to get off the MS train but none of the other browsers work.

(IE 6 is kind of a piece of crap too, but IE 5.x works well for me.)

--The Supreme Court recommends that all US companies hire illegal immigrants, they're cheaper and have no protection from unfair labor practices.

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