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Fair Use is Not a Constitutional Right

jmichaelg writes: "Ed Stroligo at overclockers.com has written an article on the fair-use provision of the 1976 copyright law. He goes into some depth on the difference between a constitutional right vs. a legal right as well as covers the Betamax, Napster and Rio cases. It's a well thought out article and definitely worth the read."

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  1. I don't care by Apreche · · Score: 3, Insightful

    what kind of right it is. It doesn't matter whether it's a legal right or a constitutional right. I want it, and I will refuse to give it up. I do whatever I please with no thought for the law. I base my actions on my personal values and morals. If I happen to break a law, like the DMCA, tough. The civil rights activists were breaking a law when they sat at the front of the bus and refused to get up. They said the law was unjust, they went to jail for it, and they won. I plan to do the same.

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    1. Re:I don't care by Apreche · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a difference between fair use, and theft. Fair use is me listening to the song in my house. Fair use is me making a copy of a CD in case the cd gets scratched. Fair use is me copying a cassette in case the tape player eats it. Fair use is me using a copyrighted mp3 in a presentation on digital audio encoding for a class in school. Theft is you writing a song, me taking the song and telling the world that indeed I wrote the song not you, and I should be given the credit. Theft is me downloading a copy of the song without paying you. Often when I download music from the internet I send checks to the artists for an amount of money I feel their music is worth. If I don't like/delete their music I don't pay them. I don't buy CDs in the store because the RIAA gets all the money, not the artists.

      Prime example is Japan, where CDs cost a fortune, because the artists get a large large portion of that money.

      Fair use != theft. I wont steal. But if one day what I feel is fair use is considered against the law, so be it.

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    2. Re:I don't care by wisemat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you intend to take this as a civil rights matter, then you have my deepest respect. But to make it a civil rights matter in the tradition of Martin Luther King and his followers, you must do it as they would have.

      To wear the mantle of civil disobedience of the cause of civil rights, you must bear the crown of thorns that goes with it. You must make your violation flagrant, obvious, and nonviolent. When the police(or civil litigation lawyers) do come to deal with it, you must at most passively resist them, never denying that you committed a crime and never opposing them with either deceit or violence. When they drag you to court, you must forgo any pretence of innocence and instead focus on the fact that the laws you broke should not be laws. When the judge passes the sentance, you must accept it stoicly, and suffer whatever punishment he hands down passively, putting your hope in the populace to support you, the legislature to change the laws you broke, and if you are truly lucky the executives to pardon you.

      And when you finish suffering whatever reprecussions they hand down, you must be ready to do it all over again, still stoicly, still nonviolently, and still suffering whatever punishment they hand down, taking your consolation only in the fact that your cause is just and your actions righteous.

      That would be noble, that would be admirable, and that would be in the tradition of the civil rights movement and Martin Luther King.

      On the other hand, to just violate the laws for your own selfish reasons, concealing your actions if not from the world at large, at least from thoe who would punish you, and being ready and willing to do whatever legal manuevering is necessary to minimize the punishment if you are caught is not civil disobediance in the name of a cause, it is just a lack of respect for the authority of the government, and that is something that both Martin Luther King and the Christ he followed would disdain.

    3. Re:I don't care by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This unfortunately sounds like pedantic ranting to me, although I see the author's point. I like being able to get MP3's from LimeWire without paying for them. It's saved me a fortune in buying CD's with 1 song I like and 15 that I hate. It's saved me gas by not having to drive to my local Media Play.

      It's also illegal, and it should be illegal. I know it's illegal, but I've gone and done it anyway. I have no moral defense, because there is none. If I use someone else's works, then I should compensate them for it. I work in the media industry, for crying out loud! I would hate to have someone using MY stuff and not compensating me for it. If this sounds hypocritical, it's because it is.

      Now, in a perfect world, I would happily hand over the royalties to the song owners/producers/artists and everyone would be happy. The problem here is that I can't do that. Sony, Bertlesmann, etc. want their share. The problem there is that Sony, et. al. are music distributors, not creators. They only publish the music, stamp the CD's, and ship them to Media Play. If I download an MP3, they incur none of that cost. I should just be able to compensate the artist and be done with it.

      The huge music companies have all worked very hard to prevent consumers from having too many choices in how to purchase their products. They can do this because there are only a few huge megalithic companies, and they all know each other very cozily. They simply will not give up their lucrative business for anything else, even perhaps a just as lucrative business selling music online, one song at a time. Anybody remember how badly the MPAA and the RIAA tried to fight VCR's? Now video rentals and sales account for 40% of a movie's total take!

      I would personally pay a nominal fee per month (say, $19.95) to be able to download high-quality MP3's that are legal and licensed. It would be so damned convenient nobody would care about pirating the music. I believe that convenience is one of the largest reasons MP3's have become as popular as they are. After all, who wants to stand in line? Who wants to browse endless racks of CD's looking for that one song you want? If the record companies would wake up and realize that they're sitting on a potential gold mine just as large as their current monopoly, we'd all be able to be happy AND legal.

      Alas, 'tis not to be, I think.

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    4. Re:I don't care by abe+ferlman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      a bunch of snot-nosed brats not wanting to pay for other people's labor is beyond pathetic.

      And your belief that "snot-nosed brats" are the only ones with a stake in the consequences of the ownership of ideas is laughable. The patenting/copyrighting of DNA threatens to create a much more insidious era of subjection, and what good is freedom of expression if all the obvious ideas and ideas you'd like to use as building blocks for your own new ideas are owned by immortal corporations?

      If you can't see the perils inherent in this system, you are extremely short sighted.

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    5. Re:I don't care by h4x0r-3l337 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It is the principle of disobeying a law which is unjust that they and others have used to better the ways of the world.

      And to compare yourself to those people is pretentious to the extreme. You are not protesting an unjust law by leeching off of Napster in the privacy of your home. If you want to be like those civil rights activists, be an ACTIVIST: go sit in front of city hall or the library of congress with your computer and offer "free music" to passers-by. As it stands, you're no better than every other 15 year old who rather spends his money on new sneakers and cigarettes than on music.

    6. Re:I don't care by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kid, anyone who equates fighting against clearly unconstitutional oppression on the basis of irrelevant genetic characteristics with a bunch of snot-nosed brats not wanting to pay for other people's labor is beyond pathetic.

      Hah! I bet people were making similar "arguments" whenever someone brought up civil rights for colored people. Because there was a time when people DIDN'T believe that those genetic characteristics were irrelevant. They DIDN'T believe that the constitution applied to colored people, because they weren't considered people.

      Maybe the rights we'd like to have with regard to copyright isn't as fundamental as being able to sit anyplace on a bus, or come in any door of restaurant, but then again, maybe they are? Isn't the free exchange of information the most basic right of a society? In fact it's the cornerstone of our society. What use is free speech, if all the printing presses are controlled by the government. Controlled by the government on behalf of corporations, who are upset that the citizenery are copying their newspapers to, get this: READ THEM!

      It all depends how you look at it. I didn't give a shit about law and politics until the DMCA was passed. Now I'm I understand the drive behind activists and other people I used to think were just a little too paranoid.

      It seems that the framers of the constitution didn't foresee this loophole that copyright seems to have created. They were worried about people in government abusing power.. not corporations seeking profit.

      I hope the civil disobedience keeps up, and reaches a fever pitch, until the corps do something so stupid that even average Joe can see it as stupid. Then perhaps in 100 years, someone will look back on it and shake their heads the way we look back on segregation and shake our heads.

      As for the original post, well, I agree. I don't really care about these laws any more. I'm going to trust my instincts that copying my CDs into my iPod is as immoral as making ice in my refrigerator, and figuring out how to break any copy interference to do it is as immoral as changing the bag in my vacuum cleaner.

    7. Re:I don't care by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not going to compare the apples of civil rights with the oranges of IP laws, but at the root of it, I do think there's something more important than just the right to download a song -

      It's the question of the ownership of the imagination, of the stuff that, by my own experiences with the rest of the world, have become part of my psyche, part of my cultural environment, even part of my subconscious. The widening control over copyrights - and especially the tightening noose around fair use - affects my ability to describe the contents of my own imagination insofar as they've been formed by images and ideas from without.

      What do I mean? The other night, I had a dream that, for some reason, took place on the bridge of the Enterprise and had a couple Disney characters in it. Those cultural franchises has taken root in my subconscious. Can I make a movie depiction of my dream now? Can I publish a story about it? Do the rights of the creators of those characters and such have a right that is greater than my own ownership over the contents my imagination? Does their property right preempt some of the most essential rights of expression I might have?

      Again, in the creation of intellectual "property." my belief is that you are responsible for making sure you're going to get paid *before you actually do the work.* Once the work is out there, I believe the moral priority goes to those who are going to do with what have then become the elements of their cultural environment as they will, rather than to your belated attempt to get paid for it.

    8. Re:I don't care by mpe · · Score: 3, Funny

      It seems that the framers of the constitution didn't foresee this loophole that copyright seems to have created. They were worried about people in government abusing power.. not corporations seeking profit.

      All this would appear to stem from the granting of "personhood" to corporations in the 19th century. This isn't so much a loophole in copyright as it is inability to predict human stupidity.
      Once this happened it was only a matter of time before corporations became patricians and ordinary people became plebeans.

  2. Rights, fair use and what the consumer wants by ThousandStars · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Bill of Rights and Constitution protect individual liberties from the government, not the "right" to steal music, so even considering constitutional arguments with regard to copying music makes no sense.

    Reasonable people agree that the creator of a work should compensated for his efforts, hence copyright - but it has no basis in the constitution. The real question deals with practical issues surrounding the rise of the internet. With the possibility of instaneous distribution and infinite, perfect replication, how can creators be compensated for their work? MegaCorp Inc. wants everything regulated, which is never going to happen. Slashdot types want everything free as in beer, which doesn't encourage creation. So until someone finds a decent way of paying artists aside from CDs, books, etc. people are going to keep stealing digital things because it is a better way to distribute.

    As usual, the extremes on either side of the argument need to be tempered to find a workable solution. And it isn't going to be found in the Constitution.

    1. Re:Rights, fair use and what the consumer wants by flossie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps they had it right back in the time of the Renaissance.Art was generally commissioned back then with the author getting a one time payment for his labour. The concept that artists (nowadays distributers) should get paid by every viewer of their work is fairly modern. Indeed, in the nineteenth century, the United States didn't even recognise the copyrights that Dickens claimed for his works. What a difference a century makes!

    2. Re:Rights, fair use and what the consumer wants by miracle69 · · Score: 3

      Slashdot types want everything free as in beer, which doesn't encourage creation.

      It doesn't? Why, I though this, this, and this were all free? Or do you mean they're not creative?

      This is not a black/white issue, but rather a grey one. The shade of grey has yet to be determined, but both extremes are wrong. People won't stop being creative if they don't get paid, nor will people stop being creative if they do get paid. And consumers are also black/white. When Napster was at its peak, so were CD sales. Just because you get something for free doesn't mean you're not willing to pay for the same (or similar) thing. And I'd argue that a downloaded mp3 isn't the same thing as owning the CD for several reasons - one being quality.

      And how many of you still *pay* for an email address when there are plenty of email addresses to be had for free?

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    3. Re:Rights, fair use and what the consumer wants by MikeKD · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Reasonable people agree that the creator of a work should compensated for his efforts, hence copyright - but it has no basis in the constitution. The real question deals with practical issues surrounding the rise of the internet.

      Wrong on two accounts. First, copyright (and patents) does have its basis in the Constitution. Article I, sect 8, paragraph 8:

      To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; i.e., copyright and patents. Secondly, and this is more about semantics, but in modern "creative" industries, the creator, per se, does not own the copyright; the copyright is owned by a company with which the creator has contracted. Granted the creator receives some money, but people in the industry (here the recording industry) like Courtney Love have stated the amount is nowhere near what Joe Sixpack believes it is. So until someone finds a decent way of paying artists aside from CDs, books, etc. people are going to keep stealing digital things because it is a better way to distribute. And that is the problem. Market forces should determine that way. My belief is that current "rampant" (according to the RIAA & MPAA) piracy is because they held a near monopoly on the distribution of music and movies. Specifically regarding the music industry, once Napster, et al, showed up, the consumer was able to exercise his/her market force by turning away from over-priced CDs. The music industry has been milking consumers with an incredibly over-priced product for over a decade (probably more, but I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming that CDs originally were expensive to produce and a risky venture, c.f. the Betamax format). The industry cries about how much it costs to market and produce a CD, especially from an unknown artist; however, look at most of the music that the industry puts out. It's crap (IMNSHO). If the RIAA spent less time and money polishing turds (c.f., shit, c.f. most music, turn on your radio fer christ's sake) and actually trying to find and promote good artist, in addition to pricing their product more reasonably, I am sure they would have better fortunes. (And needless to say, if the content industries didn't waste so much money buying politicians, I am sure they would have more profits.) <rant type="personal_anecdote"> The problem is that the industry didn't embrace the new technology. A personal anecdote: A few years ago when I was a sophomore at Uni, a friend introduced me to the British group Portishead, which I believe he discovered via mp3s. I downloaded all their tracks I could find and enjoyed them enough that I shelled out the money for all their CDs that I could find. (Since they seem to be somewhat of an underground group in the US, they didn't have many albums; however, I bought what I could find.) Similar events occurred when I rediscovered Weezer (my roommate liked them, but I wasn't really into them at that time). I have since purchased their three albums, plus some (due to CD damage). Granted, I may be in the minority; however, I really fucking hate the stupidity that is evident in the industry by ignoring people like myself, people who used tools available to them to discover new music and try to give back to artist, and instead promote Corporate Fascism (hmmm, Nazi = National Socialism, how about Cozi for Corporate Socialism?). </rant> -MKD
    4. Re:Rights, fair use and what the consumer wants by J'raxis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thats probably because he wasnt American. Thomas Edison invented the lightbulb in 1879, a year after a Briton, Joseph Swan, invented nearly the same thing. Edison got the patent in the U.S. Swan got the patent in Great Britain.

    5. Re:Rights, fair use and what the consumer wants by flossie · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely not! Next you'll be telling me it wasn't an American who invented the computer. Or the hovercraft. Or the steam engine. Or calculus. Or ...

  3. Dear God almighty... by redhatbox · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I think a *lot* of people have forgotten one very basic principle: the Constitution of the United States (a la Bill of Rights) is not designed to enumerate every single "right" we have as human beings. This is a very common misconception, and an extremely dangerous one at that.

    Kids in school these days are being taught that the government "gives" us a set of basic rights. This is an incorrect, but unfortunately somewhat prevalent view. The government does not *give* us rights; we have these rights just as surely as we have a nose. The role of government in this case is to *protect* those rights which we already have.

    Here's the problem: if you "educate" an entire generation of Americas to believe that the government gives us rights, you end up with the unfortunate consequence that we must also accept that what is given may be taken away. This tends to work out well for those in positions of power, and poorly for the average citizen.

    This is one of my top reasons for wanting to spend at least a few years of my life teaching. Teachers carry a responsibility to accurately convey knowledge, and the ability to use critical thinking skills, to our soon-to-be citizens. No, I'm not saying I'm God's gift to teaching, or even that I'm right all the time (probably wrong more often than I'd like to admit). I *am* saying I'm interested in taking a stab at changing things.

    1. Re:Dear God almighty... by Quintin+Stone · · Score: 3, Informative
      No, the original poster was right. The whole foundation is that certain rights are God-given ("that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"). The government does not give us these rights... The Creator did. Whether or not you believe this doesn't matter. It's still the very concept that the nation was built upon. It is the role of the government to "secure" these rights for its citizens, to protect them and defend them from those who would take them away.

      Your bringing up contract law is completely irrelevant to the discussion. The point of a contract is that it's an agreement between two parties. The government simply enforces legally binding contracts because if they didn't, the whole foundation of a capitalistic commerce would collapse. Contracts don't take away rights... you simply agree to waive them in exchange for something else in return.

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  4. In response to the slashdot title. by BlackGriffen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Constitution doesn't say I have a right to wipe my own @ss, either. Fortunately, the framers of the Constitution weren't that stupid:

    Amendment IX

    "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    What needs to be done is a clarification on just what exactly copyright is. As near as I can tell, this is what it should be: authors and inventors shall be rewarded with a monopoly on the sale and distribution of their respective works. Infringement of copyright then becomes a theft of market. Unfortunately, with Washington so thoroughly bought and paid for, I doublt that we'll see that kind of system any time soon.

    BlackGriffen

  5. One ray of hope... by Hanzie · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the article:
    the DMCA does not impose even an arguable limitation on the opportunity to make a variety of traditional fair uses of DVD movies, such as commenting on their content, quoting excerpts from their screenplays, and even recording portions of the video images and sounds on film or tape by pointing a camera, a camcorder, or a microphone at a monitor as it displays the DVD movie
    Apparently there are some legally acceptible forms to make at least limited copies, though I don't see how pointing a camera at a movie screen doesn't qualify as circumvention.
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  6. two things by keithmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. part of the purpose of Fair Use is to preserve the public's First Amendment right to discuss copyrighted works. The fact that some of these rights are explicitly recognized in copyright law doesn't mean that Fair Use is inherently limited to what is in the current law.

    2. where there is a conflict between the Constitution's provision for copyrights and the First Amendment, the First Amendment should be presumed to override the original language, because the very purpose of an amendment is to modify the Constitution.

    none of this means that people can copy whatever they wish and claim Fair Use. on the other hand, laws that impose criminal penalties on reasonable exercises of the First Amendment should be shot down at the earliest opportunity.

  7. Umm, no, fair use is a constitutional right. by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fair use provisions of the 1976 copyright law are based on supreme court rulings made before 1976. Fair use is a constitutional right due to both the first ammendment and the tenth ammendment (when you consider that congress has the power only to pass copyright law in order "To promote the progress of science and useful arts"). An important supreme court case on this issue, Eldred v. Ashcroft, is coming up. This case should directly answer the question of whether or not congress has the power to enact copyright law which does not promote the progress of science as well as whether or not copyright law is "categorically immune from challenge under the First Amendment", but the current precedent is that they do not, and they are not.

  8. Not to be picky, but... by DirtyCowboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think what he means by "legal" rights versus constitutional rights is really a matter of "statutory" versus constitutional rights. The concept of legal rights encompasses both.

    The fundamental concept of the article is correct. It does not, however, go far enough. While copyright is discussed/provided for in the Constitution; the extent of the "right" (i.e., what exactly the right is) is a product solely of statutes (here, the 1976 Copyright Act).

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  9. Sources of RIghts by bagman · · Score: 5, Informative
    The author of this piece neglects to mention how and why a section relating to fair use was added to the 1976 Act. Fair use was not created by Congress. It was created by federal judges as an equitable doctrine that "permits and requires courts to avoid rigid application of the copyright statute when, on occasion, it would stifle the very creativity which that law is designed to foster." (Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569, 577 (1994) (some bracketing, internal quotation marks omitted)).

    The Copyright of Act of 1976 was intended to preserve the judicially developed doctrine of fair use and "not to change, narrow, or enlarge it in any way." (4 MELVILLE B. NIMMER & DAVID NIMMER, NIMMER ON COPYRIGHT 13.05, at 13-150 & n.7). Fair use is still very much a creature of the courts. Congress identified a list of four factors that the courts must consider, but there are no bright line rules.

    The judicial origins of the doctrine lead one to ask the question, if there were no fair use doctrine, would the Constitution obligate courts to come up with one? There is a strong argument that fair use is mandated by the Constitution. It goes as follows:

    U.S. CONST. art I, 8, cl. 8 reads: "The Congress shall have Power . . . [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." Thus, Congress's power in creating copyright is arguably limited to those actions that promote "the Progress of Science and useful Arts." Fair use doctrine prevents copyright law from serving as a bar to progress. Thus, if courts did not recognize a fair use defense, the Copyright Act, as applied in certain cases, would be unconstitutional because it would effectively prohibit activities which the Congress has no constitutional authority to prohibit.

    I like this argument better than those that rely on the First Amendment, because it does not need to reconcile conflicts among different provisions, relying instead on the copyright clause itself.

  10. copyright infringement != theft by mocm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since we are talking about legal issues and correct classifications and obviuosly some people will never get it straight:
    copyright infringement != theft

    Property rights have nothing to do with copyright. The laws governing those two subjects have totally different motivations.

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  11. Honestly asking: why not a right? by al3x · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While the article is informative, the author doesn't speculate on why Fair Use isn't a constitutional right. Without any sarcasm implied, could it be that it's simply too recent a concept/development to be established as an amendment? Is there too much opposition to establishment of Fair Use laws? Is it too murky an issue, or is there no sense of a "need" to draw those lines on Capital Hill?

    The article was culled from a morass of court decisions, which when strung together form something of a grounding for this issue, but nothing conclusive. I think something like DigitalConsumer.org's Digital Consumer Bill of Rights is in order, at least to draw the lines in the sand. However, this is about as likely to pass as a Patient Bill of Rights. Your response could be that with big money influences the little guy will never win, or maybe just that it's too complex an issue for lawmaker's to tackle right now, and they'd rather leave it up to the courts, case by case. Regardless, even a Supreme Court decision will be too specific to nail down this sector of law, and I don't think a definite answer from our government on what our Digital Rights are is an unreasonable request. I'm willing to bet, however, that "unreasonable" is just what we'll find the answer to be.

  12. For those who want to skip the article... by Pollux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...which consists of 10 minutes of reading and another 20 of thinking about what the author said, let me put it down into a single sentence.

    "Fair use has never been held to be a guarantee of access to copyrighted material in order to copy it by the fair user's preferred technique or in the format of the original."

    ---Universal v. Reimerdes
    US Second Circuit Court of Appeals

    You have the [legal] right to use it in a specified manner, albeit a limited one.

  13. I have a question for you,, by HanzoSan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you were an artist, well lets assume you are.

    You buy comic books, and say you draw wolverine, the Xman character on paper, you are learning to draw and you begin to appreciate art, eventually you grow up to become the best artist the world has ever known.

    This is one possibility.

    Now, lets take another look at it, from another view point. Imagine buying a comic book with a timer on it. This timer tells you how much time precisely you have to read it after its opened.

    You open the comic book, you read it as fast as you can to beat the timer, after the time is up, everything erases, this is so you cannot share the information in this comic book, this prevents you from ever having a refrence point to learn to draw, from ever becoming an artist. To make it even more extreme, imagine this book could only be read when your registered finger prints were on the book, any imagine that when your prints are on any book that you are automatically being charged for the purchase.

    Imagine now, someone invents a machine, which allows them to randomly generate comic style artwork from just scanning one image of wolverine into a computer, imagine then people using these machines to not only share comic books, but to create new comic books. Then imagine the original comic book company suing the makers of this machine for giving art back to the people who for a long time had to pay $20-30 a comic book, a book which they were timed for how long they could read.

    Now lets bring it to the most extreme, imagine it being illegal for people who read these books and decide to share it online by repeating the story from memory and using the comic art generator software being thrown in jail.

    Ah so people should be thrown in jail so a richer group of people who have a monopoly can maintain it? Even if just as much money can be made by advancing the industry via software generated artwork and a new group of artists who create art for fun?

    Thats something to think about. Seriously. Because this situation WILL happen in our lifetimes and we will be forced to choose, money, or freedom.

    Do you want to control the art? or is art just about money now?

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  14. Care by fm6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If I happen to break a law, like the DMCA, tough. The civil rights activists were breaking a law when they sat at the front of the bus and refused to get up. They said the law was unjust, they went to jail for it, and they won. I plan to do the same.
    Well, Civil Disobedience has a long and honorable tradition. But be aware that there's more to it than just refusing to obey rules you think are wrong. You also have to accept the consquences. For many activists, that means going to jail. Of course, that's a good way to provoke the national conscience, which is mostly what the civil rights movement was about.

    Except that's not the scenario you should anticipate. If you provoke the ire of the media monopolies, they won't have you arrested. They'll sic their lawyers on you. Which will tie up all your assets in litigation until you relent.

    Nor should you expect society to respond to your actions the way it did to the Civil Rights movment. That was about fundamental matters of human dignity, like being able to sit down while riding the bus, or use a public bathroom, or buy a house, or do a thousand other things most of us take for granted.

    Many people might think you also have the right to listen to a song without buying the whole album, or watch Sex and the City without subscribing to HBO. But let's get real: these issues will never inspire the same level of outrage and activism.

  15. No. by oGMo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Bill of Rights and Constitution protect individual liberties from the government, not the "right" to steal music, so even considering constitutional arguments with regard to copying music makes no sense.

    Most people would consider it an individual liberty to be able to use what they paid for in any way the choose, whether it be ripping a CD to mp3, ripping a DVD and encoding to some other format (requiring DeCSS), or just owning a computer that has an unrestricted memcpy() . It's considered a basic right to bear arms, so are you telling me it's not, to own something that can copy bits?

    Reasonable people agree that the creator of a work should compensated for his efforts, hence copyright - but it has no basis in the constitution.

    First, who exactly decides what "reasonable people" are? Second, copyright was originally more "reasonable" at a 7 year term, then more "reasonable people" came along and now look where we're at. Finally, "it has no basis in the constitution" is just wrong, because the Constitution is the sole source of authority for the Federal Government to make laws. If copyright didn't come from the Constitution, then it is an illegal law.

    MegaCorp Inc. wants everything regulated, which is never going to happen.

    Hellooo, DMCA, SSSCA. We said the former was "never going to happen", and it did. The latter... won't pass this year, maybe. The future is not a very bright one, though.

    Slashdot types want everything free as in beer, which doesn't encourage creation.

    Uh, hello, first off "Slashdot types" (of which I believe I qualify) likely want more: everything free as in liberty; free as in beer is just a nice extra. This "doesn't encourage creation"? What do you call these:

    • The Linux kernel. (Free as in beer, liberty)
    • Most of the software on Freshmeat.
    • All of the software on SourceForge.
    • The Debian, RedHat, and multitudes of other distributions, some of which make money, some of which are purely nonprofit.
    • All the other free software not mentioned here.
    • All the music written and art created (and on record) for thousands of years done for whatever reason besides making a buck. (Hint: being an artist for a living was traditionally very hard, and few made it.) I personally know a number of people who write music purely because they enjoy doing it. If this isn't creativity, what is?
    So until someone finds a decent way of paying artists aside from CDs, books, etc. people are going to keep stealing digital things because it is a better way to distribute.

    Or maybe that business model just isn't going to work anymore, so they better get a different job or find a different way to make money. There is no guaranteed individual right to make money on a given venture. The reason we originally had the copyright was to further society, not line corporate pockets. Artists can control their work, possibly making money for a short period of time, then work is returned to the public domain. That's not how it works anymore.

    As usual, the extremes on either side of the argument need to be tempered to find a workable solution. And it isn't going to be found in the Constitution.

    No. The end has already been determined. Like a Myrddraal, MegaCorp Inc. has already been killed, but they're too dumb to realize it, and it doesn't mean they're not still dangerous (see DMCA and SSSCA).

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  16. CSS != Copy protection by leereyno · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article says that DeCSS somehow gets around the copy protection embedded into DVD's. As I'm sure most of you know, this isn't technically true. The purpose of CSS is not copy protection but content control. CSS allows movie studios to decide when, where, and by whom the DVD is viewed. Lets say you're in Europe and you'd like to watch a DVD that has just been released in the states. Under the ordinary laws of commerce if you've got the money to buy that DVD then you get to watch it. Not so with CSS. Now movie studios have the ability to pick and choose which titles get released in which region at which price. Lets say there is a title that the powers that be in your country have banned because they don't like it. CSS gives the MPAA the perfect means by which to implement and support this oppression by foreign governments. None of this is right or just. The idea behind copyright is to give producers of works certain rights and protections to encourage the creation of art and knowledge. Unfortunately with things like the DMCA and CSS, non-producers such as the MPAA are perverting the concept of copyright. Where traditionally copyright has been used to define when, where, and by whom a particular work is COPIED, it is now being used to control where, when and by whom a particular work is viewed, read, seen, or otherwise utilized.

    Imagine if there was CSS for books and in order to read a particular book you had to live in the right country, be of the correct race or social group, and pay a surcharge to the book cartel every time you wanted to read it. As it stands now books are independent entities. Once a publisher prints a book and sells it, that publisher has no control over what is done with that book other than a legal right to control whether it or portions of it are copied or used in other works. You can read this book, then give it to your friend to read. The publisher can't come have you and your friend arrested because he hadn't paid for the "right" to read that book. You can smuggle books that are unpopular with an oppressive regime into that country and the words will still be legible.

    The problem with CSS is not that it is a copy protection scheme, but that it is a scheme to control who uses the DVD, which has nothing to do with copy protection or copyright.

    If I remember right a group of video pirates were busted here not too long ago for copying DVD's. What I heard about that case is that they were copying the entire DVD bit-for-bit whether it employed CSS or not. The copied DVD's were still encoded using CSS. So what possible use is it as a copy control scheme? None of course, but its very useful for controlling which people get to watch the DVD.

    Another group that is trying to pervert copyright into content control is the "church" of scientology. They employ copyright and trade secret law in order to try and prevent anyone from knowing the truth about their "religion." The truth is that scientology is nothing more than a highly successful scam that robs people of their money, enslaves many in the "Sea Org," and destroys families by forcing those in the cult to "disconnect" from relatives who are critical. Their abuse of the legal system is legendary. Their policy of filing suits for harassment value alone is such that I'm amazed their lawyers havent' been disbarred by now. The organization's sole purpose is to sucker people out of their money that is then passed "uplines" to the likes of David Miscavige. Their use of front groups and interlocking corporations to facilitate the laundering of this money would make John Gotti weep. If you want to find out more about this kriminal kult take a trip to www.xenu.net Be sure to pass this on to your friends too. The more people know the truth about this criminal organization, the fewer potential victims the cult will have to feed upon.

    Lee

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  17. fair use for dummies by emptybody · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I purchace any item I should be able to do whatever I want to it. Including and not limited to:
    modification
    destruction
    reverse-engineer to make myown.
    transferral to another party via resale or gift

    However, what I cannot do is make cloned copies and re-distribute them as the original.

    If I go to the store and purchace the latest Stephen King novel and then read it, It is completely within my right to resell that book.

    I do not own the copyrighted work, the text of the work. I own the materials that make up this specific copy of the work. This gives me the right to do whatever I want with my copy of the work. I can paint all the pages blue and stick feathers on the covers. I can then sell my Stephen King case-mod.

    I can even try to sell it at a price greater than my purchace price. It is my copy. I can redistribute my copy!!!

    I can buy 100 copies of the book. Do the same mods as well as number them. I now sell them as a limited set.

    This all should be well within my right as I am taking materials that I legally aquired and combining them. I am not, however, making "copies" of the work.

    I can even sit down and try to write my own stephen king type story. (I suck. I cannot write anything near SK)

    I cannot try to redistribute my cloned King as the real thing (aside from the fact that it would suck and noone would believe it was him anyway)

    People are choosing to use Napster and other data sharing software to redistribute their own unmodified "copies" of the original work.

    This is where the law is being broken.

    I can make as many copies as I want for my own personal use. I can do whatever the heck I want with my copies. I can NOT, however, redistribute those personal copies unless they ALL go with the original.

    I can make a photocopy of parts of a StephenKing book to take with me on vacation. I do this for MY PERSONAL USE. Not to redistribute. This should be legal.

    I cannot redistribute my own copies without the permission of the copyright holder. Or until the copyright expires.

    Lets try another analogy with Beverages.
    I purchace a case of Beer(tm).
    I can then do whatever I want with the liquid in the can.

    I can modify it - make beer batter shrimp.
    I can destroy it - pour it over a fire.
    I can transfer it to someone else -
    sell it at a concert for 10x price.
    give it away at a party

    I cannot make exact duplicates for redistribution.
    (even if we had cheap materials duplication technology)

    However --
    I can brew my own beverage that is indistinguishable from the original. As long as I do not attempt to pass it off as the original.

    It really should be that simple.
    If it is not, someone please tell me where I am wrong.

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    1. Re:fair use for dummies by RickHunter · · Score: 3, Informative

      I do not own the copyrighted work, the text of the work. I own the materials that make up this specific copy of the work. This gives me the right to do whatever I want with my copy of the work. I can paint all the pages blue and stick feathers on the covers. I can then sell my Stephen King case-mod.

      This is not correct. When I buy a book, I buy a copy of that book. Which means I own both the pages and the words printed on them, though its unclear that such a distinction should be made. However, because of copyright law, I cannot legally create and distribute copies of this work. Copyright law grants the author of a work a temporary (well, in theory) monopoly on the introduction of new copies into the market. Copyright is a government-granted monopoly, just like patents. Nothing more, nothing less. No ownership is involved. As the name says, it is the right to make (and distribute) a copy.

  18. A word of caution by davecb · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When you read a well-argued legal opinion which purports to be a definitive statement of what the law is, then you should conclude that... the author thinks you're too stupid to use a law library.

    You often see these is newspapers who are on one side or the other of an issue: when you do, you know the newspaper's biased.

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  19. DMCA does *not* apply to expired copyrights by yerricde · · Score: 4, Informative
    I am not a lawyer, but I have read the entire text of Title 17, United States Code, which contains copyright law and mask work law.

    when the copyright expires it's allowed to copy the work in question, but assum the work is on a copy protected media like a dvd, acording to the DMCA it's then still ilegal to use copy protection cracking software

    Not necessarily unlawful. The DMCA (17 USC 1201) bans only circumvention acts and devices that attack "a work protected under this title" (that is, Title 17), namely a work under either a subsisting copyright or a subsisting mask work monopoly. Works whose copyrights have expired are no longer "work[s] protected under this title." This is why the Big Seven studios haven't released much (if any) public domain content on DVDs, because in that case, somebody would be able to lawfully make or import a circumvention device designed specifically to decrypt public domain works (which also happens to work on copyrighted works, wink wink nudge nudge). And no, encoding celluloid to MPEG-2 doesn't introduce enough originality to pass the 103(b) exclusion.

    so how are we legaly sopoused to be able to copy a copy protected work even when the copyright has expired?

    Without the Bono Act, the DMCA lacks teeth because the Mickey's Early Years DVD would contain public domain content, making DeCSS, QrPFF, and EfDTT legit.

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  20. Freedom by HanzoSan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Your choice, let some CEO decide how you can use what you paid for and own. Or you decide how you can use what you paid for and own.

    I think of it this way, if I pay money for something, I can do any damn thing i want with it, If I buy a Cd and decide to use it as a frizby then so be it, if I decide to break it into peices and feed it to my dog so be it, ITS MY CD.

    They own the right to sell it, but once i buy it its MINE.
    I can copy the information off of it, that information is also mine, they own the right to sell it, but i can share it if i want to!

    If you were playing a CD on your stereo and invited friends over, and its against the law to let anyone besides you listen to that CD, should speakers by outlawed because they allow you to break the DMCA or whatever stupid law is in place? Should you tell your friends that they cant listen to the music with you? Hell clubs and raves should be outlawed too, after all these people are all stealing sound. hey dont forget the people who share TV sets, all of them are evil paracite pirates who are stealing from tom cruise and keanu reeves.

    Oh and dont even think about trying to draw your favorite cartoon character or comic, thats against the law too.

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    1. Re:Freedom by psamuels · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't sound like a very open-minded person, but...

      I can copy the information off of it, that information is also mine, they own the right to sell it, but i can share it if i want to!

      Depends on what you mean by "share". You are paying for a use of the material. You are not paying for distribution rights. The use you paid for is "home use", which roughly covers what you do with things in everyday life. Not reselling, and not redistributing.

      If you were playing a CD on your stereo and invited friends over, and its against the law to let anyone besides you listen to that CD, should speakers by outlawed because they allow you to break the DMCA or whatever stupid law is in place?

      That's fine, that's covered by regular "home use", and it's something you've paid for. What you can't do is charge for admission. That's "commercial use". You also can't redistribute the music for other people to make their own copies of it - that's redistribution.

      Hell clubs and raves should be outlawed too, after all these people are all stealing sound.

      Believe it or not, clubs and raves have to pay pretty hefty prices to do what they do. They do not just go to Rhino Records and pick out some tunes. They pay thousands of dollars per year to ASCAP and BMI, organisations who (purportedly) then compensate the copyright holders. So your analogy doesn't hold up.

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  21. Correct! It lists only what can be taken away! by Dr_Marvin_Monroe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The basic principle is that only the enumerated responsibilities listed ( in the Const., State, Municipal, Neighborhood, etc.) are given to the government..ALL other rights belong to the individual......We submit to governance by citizenship and contract.

    The Government does not GIVE us rights....We have them and give some up for the good of society! The government does not "start out" with all of the rights (or the right to all money either) and then "Give" them back to us.....

    We start out with "All rights except these...." which we temporarily give to government at our pleasure....(at least in the old times)...that's why it's important to vote...always....

    Like the presumption of innocence, this needs to be emphasized to kids in their civics classes.......

    If you get the basics right, all the other stuff will fall into place.

  22. What about The Ninth? by redelm · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Look, if the USSC can find a Right to Abortion hidden in the Ninth Amendment " other rights not denied", then they can surely find "Fair Use" there too. But I don't think any lower Court would dare.


    One important test for this Right: The People consider that they have it. Criticism, parody and other fair uses has been viewed as a right of those derivitive creators.

  23. Re:Free speech is a constitutional right by h4x0r-3l337 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Digital copying is an extention of free speech

    No, it's not. You are free to sing any song yourself, or recite from any book. In those cases, it is YOU that is doing the speaking, and your right to speak is protected. Making copies of someone else's recorded speech is a different matter altogether, and is not covered by the first amendment at all.

  24. My letter to the editor: by evilpaul13 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Dear Editor,
    With regard to the DMCA and DeCSS, I must say I disagree with your analysis. The DeCSS source code which has been prohibited from being distributed doesn't do anything. It is a few text files named '.cpp' and '.h'. It describes a process in a language appreciable to computer scientists how CSS is decrypted. A computer scientist learning about encryption would derive infinitely more value from DeCSS than a garage DVD counterfeiter.

    DeCSS isn't useful in pirating DVD movies. To copy a DVD movie, if the first encrypted byte is 11001010 then, a pirated copy needs to contain exactly 11001010, not whatever that might be decrypted as.

    DeCSS should in fact be legal under the DMCA. (As mentioned above, it isn't useful in pirating movies; there is no reason to decrypt them: just copy bit-for-bit.)

    See Title 17 Section 1201 (f)(3):
    The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section.

    It should be legal to play DVDs on a GPL operating system like Linux. Using the DeCSS source code, it is possible to do so. Of course, the movie studios would be pissed off if they didn't get to sell a $100K license. Perhaps that is what this is really about, money and control not copyright violations.

    The DMCA effectively kills Fair Use. The DMCA says that copy protections can't be circumvented regardless of why. That effectively makes circumventing a copy protection with no intention of infringing on copyright illegal. If you read the Encryption Research exemption, it says that researchers must get permission to see if encryption protecting copyrighted materials is secure. Have independent researchers ever been required to get permission from patent holders to conduct a study on whether or not a drug is safe?

    The SSSCA/CBDTPA goes even further in this deranged direction, making it illegal to be capable of committing copyright infringement. Certainly, copyright infringement isn't good, but most people in prison are there for more dangerous crimes that threaten a much larger portion of society. Like murder or rape for instance. If Congress has been empowered by the Constitution to make it illegal to be capable of committing a crime, why haven't they? Probably, because there is nothing criminal in capacity. Intent and actions can be criminal, capacity can't.

    Just my two cents.

    Sincerely,
    Paul
  25. SC 1, Stroligo 0 by coats · · Score: 4, Informative
    Stroligo:
    Fair use is never mentioned in the Constitution (not eve mentioned in any copyright law until 1976). Rather, it originated as a means by which producers of intellectual property could make limited use of the work of others (and allow somewhat freer use for nonprofit educational purposes).
    US Supreme Court, 1823:
    Congress may pass no copyright law so stringent as to abridge Freedom of Speech nor Freedom of the Press.
    That US Supreme Court decision is the origin of the doctrine of Fair Use. It is a matter of Constitutional rights.

    OTOH, many of the uses claimed as fair use do not meet the SC's Freedom of Speech and Press constraint on copyright law.

    fwiw.

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  26. Maybe you should buy better CDs. by autechre · · Score: 4, Informative

    An artist puts out a CD with one song that you like and 15 that you don't? Of course it's not fair to buy such a CD. You don't really like enough of it, do you?

    Maybe you should like bands that suck a little less. Really. I mean, shouldn't someone have at least 5 good songs before putting out their own album? If you only have 3 good songs, you can put out a split CD with a similar band or something, but...

    Admittedly, working as a music director at at a (largely) independant radio station, I have a bit of an axe to grind. But it's a really good axe :) I've really only been listening to independant music for a few years; it was all my local "modern alternative rock" station before then. But I've discovered that, to me, the overall quality of the songs is better. The CDs are also less expensive. Sure, there are plenty of indie bands that suck, too, but the good ones are really good, and there's a lot of original sounds that don't ever make it to commercial radio.

    A large benefit of this is that most of those stations are not RIAA members. Yes, kids! You can buy CDs, good ones, for less money, and not support the RIAA!

    Of course, they don't have the marketing machine that you pay for when you buy the overpriced CDs, so how can you find out about them? College radio station people read the College Music Journal . There are also many good review sites; do a Google search and find a site where people have reviewed Quasi, Built to Spill, Autechre, The Czars, etc.

    You could also listen to my station online :) There are many like it; some are freeform, and some adhere more strictly to a specific genre. But try it out; you just might like it. I did.

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  27. Rights, the law, and our response by Millard+Fillmore · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm sick of the technolgy community clinging onto fair use principles and exceptions to copyright law for what I think are the wrong reasons. Piracy is not fair use. I've said it before, and I will continue to say it.

    The problem is that as long as our community pretends to want fair use protected for principled reasons but really just wants to go on pirating forever, we're not fooling anyone, and the lawmakers are going to push all the harder for controls. This makes legitimate fair use an innocent victim of the campaign against piracy.

    I suggest that we drop the pretense and help to get the legislators focused in the right area. It is one thing to enforce laws against piracy, and entirely another to order that all computer equipment be rendered unable to make unauthorized copies. This is like outlawing machine tools because they could be used to produce Ford automobiles without the permission of Ford. Legislators the world over need to be shown how absurd this is, but we can't show them if we can't be trusted. If we're going to convince the world that the digital revolution means an end to high-valued content, we are going to have to clean up our act and become credible.

  28. And I disagree with that by HanzoSan · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think when i pay for something, I should be able to use it any way i want, if i change it into a diffrent form of information like 1s and 0s, its not longer the original product and therefore i can distribute it.

    If you have a program, and you have a compiled binary and its source code. But people say "Look but dont touch" and its that shared source bullshit, "Touch but dont share"

    Well then, wheres your freedom?

    That's fine, that's covered by regular "home use", and it's something you've paid for. What you can't do is charge for admission. That's "commercial use". You also can't redistribute the music for other people to make their own copies of it - that's redistribution.

    I'm not talking about the law here, I'm talking about right and wrong. Its right for us the consumer to completely control distribution.
    Its also fair for the artist to get 100 percent all the profits. Meaning i dont think its right for a consumer to sell something created by artist X. I do think its right for a consumer to share, copy, or do whatever they want, because no money is changing hands here, the people you are sharing it with obviously wouldnt buy it in the first place, anyone who is going to buy it are the ones sharing it usually, those are the fans.

    Believe it or not, clubs and raves have to pay pretty hefty prices to do what they do. They do not just go to Rhino Records and pick out some tunes. They pay thousands of dollars per year to ASCAP and BMI, organisations who (purportedly) then compensate the copyright holders. So your analogy doesn't hold up. Its morally right to share. Greed is morally wrong, But this fucking country's system be it law, or the capitalist system, rewards GREED!

    I'm sorry, but I can not support a law which I do not agree with morally, its like supporting capital punishment.

    Copyright is like Capital Punishment because alot of people are dying over medical patents, cant afford medicines which could be given to them for free over some patent bullshit.

    Patents only help the rich CEOs at these big music companies. Musicians arent all rich, most are poor as hell, Musicians make pennies per CD, this just isnt working, Musicians and Consumers arent satisfied, People are dying in other countries, and the only ones who like patents and copyright are the people who own them and are making a fortune from them.

    Programmers hate copyright and patents thus we have open source movement.

    Consumers hate copyright and patents thus we have napster, gnutella, etc.

    Radio broadcasters on the net hate copyright and patents, thats why they protest the laws wit it.

    So I'm going to assume, about 80 percent of the population is against copyright and patents, for some reason or another, but they are too confused to do anything about it, or they cant do anything about it.

    IN a democracy, you do what the people want, not what the corperations want, not what the politicians want. IF we were a democracy, people would vote, and the patent system would be gone. Because theres more of us who dont have patents and copyrights, or who dont benifit from them, than the few guys in suits who do. Who do you think would win in a vote? And if you make it a world vote, it would be silly to see 6 billion people all vote against copyright and maybe a million people support it, not even 1% of the world population.

    This is about whats right and whats wrong, its about what the people want, the consumers, the programmers, the artists and musicians want, not about how to give corperations and rich guys what they want.

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