Slashdot Mirror


Carnivore Update

A reader writes: "Yahoo has a news item about the continued use of DCS-1000 AKA Carnivore. Looks like it's being used more than ever, and some privacy groups are still fighting in court for more disclosure about its use."

6 of 201 comments (clear)

  1. September 11th used to justify everything. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Yup. I feel much safer knowing that the gov is in the process of locking down the country. What I would like to know is: What rights are actually inalienable?

    Carnivore is not here to 'keep us safe'. It's here to keep us quiet. Thank you John Asscroft, for making sure no one speaks out without repercussions.

    BTW: The terrorists have already won...the election.

  2. Oh yeah? by O2n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even with the recent evolution in factoring, there's no match for a properly set-up pgp/gpg.

    Why bother to rely on their niceness when you can easily be rather sure nobody reads your important mails?

  3. check your facts please.... by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Still, SecurityFocus incident analyst Ryan Russell said the events of September 11th changed many citizens' minds.

    "I think there is a lot less concern from the majority of people that they're going to be monitored," Russell told NewsFactor."

    OK, now prove it. No one likes their communications being monitored. Has anyone actually gone out and ASKED people if they mind being monitored? Or is this more of the well, they don't seem to mind because they aren't bitching about it type of logic?

    This cop-out crap about 9-11 changing the way everyone thinks of privacy is beginning to get extremely old. 9-11 was a national tragedy. Don't use it to slam dunk crap legislation down our throats...once you have gathered the wraith of enough people, then maybe you will listen. Most Americans are UN-EDUCATED on these matters. They also probably think that in order to be caught up in this, you need to be some militia-type with a bunch of ammo and automatic weapons to be investigated. Sad, really....

    --
    Sent from your iPad.
    1. Re:check your facts please.... by Bearpaw · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The government isn't out to get me and unless you're either a terrorist or paranoid, they're not out to get you either.

      Important correction: unless they think you or I might be a terrorist ... or unless it's in their benefit to portray you or me as one. I don't see it as paranoid to expect that people in the government may well do what some of their predecessors have done in the past.

      Ashcroft and other members of the administration have pretty much said that anyone that opposes their supposedly anti-terrorist policies is actively aiding terrorists, which means that if I do that loudly enough, I'm fair game.

  4. Re:Does it really matter? by kevinT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You said "If this is what it takes in this modern day and age for the law enforcement agencies to protect us, so be it. "

    As Ben Franklin said ->"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    Perhaps this will help you understand why it is important to stop this now.

    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing -- when you let the small evils pass, larger ones follow." Edmund Burke.

    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster." - Nietzsche

    Or try this on for size

    "First they came for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak up,
    because I wasn't a Communist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up,
    because I wasn't a Jew.
    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak up,
    because I was a Protestant.
    Then they came for me,
    and by that time there was no one
    left to speak up for me."

    by Rev. Martin Niemoeller, 1945

  5. Re:Does it really matter? by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why do people care if the FBI can snoop what they do on-line? Are folks paranoid the FBI will find out they illegally download MP3s, software, and movies? Invasion of privacy? Bah. I could care less if the FBI sees me buy a movie from amazon.com or read the latest hockey news on nhl.com. If this is what it takes in this modern day and age for the law enforcement agencies to protect us, so be it.

    Maybe all you do is check hockey scores, but some of us do real work on the Internet. Think about this, for example: What if I wanted John Ashcroft's job, and I was using email on the Internet to plan my campaign strategy. Maybe we can trust John Ashcroft not to take advantage of his position to protect his own interests, but what about the rest of the people in his organization? Do you want to bet your democracy on it? As a rule, in the US, we don't grant this level of inherent trust to our elected officials; we've found it unnecessary because we've created a government based on a set of checks and balances. A lot of people made a lot of sacrifices to bring you the democracy your enjoy today. You disrespect their memory to abandon what they've built just to make your own ass a bit safer for a while.

    Carnivore allows one branch to "snoop" on the other two (and every citizen as well). Carnivore is root access to the email system.

    Maybe we can trust John Ashcroft, but ask yourself this: Why is this administration demanding the ability to look at the inner workings of all other organizations (Carnivore), and simultaneously blocking requests by other organixations to find out about the administrations inner workings (energy policy scandal)?

    --

    The thing about things we don't know is we often don't know we don't know them.