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Nanotubes from Vodka & Whisky

seawasp writes "Synthezising nanotubes from vodka and whisky with simple equipment making it much cheaper and more available to future science projects such as the development of smaller electronic components. Read more about it at Daily Yomiuri On-Line. Just a note, I hope for the sake of my life they won't extract nanotubes from beer."

24 comments

  1. Fist Sport by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Funny

    I'll 'drink' to that!

    Laugh. +5 funny!

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  2. One has to admit.. by QuantumG · · Score: 2

    That's a pretty damn cool party trick.

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    1. Re:One has to admit.. by BroadbandBradley · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah, I got some Vodka here, now I just need a REAL good magnifying glass and some REAL sharp tweezers, and I can start a Nanotube production lab.

      wonder how much I'd get for each tube?

  3. New ad. by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Absolut

    Space Elevator

    1. Re:New ad. by Bearpaw · · Score: 4, Funny
      Absolut
      Space Elevator

      Built by a joint Russian/Irish shpathe conth- ..., spice conzter- ..., er, group to build high thingth.

  4. Nano is a big scam by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 0, Troll
    Nano technology for things like wires is one thing. But nanobots will never happen.

    Something nobody seems to want to talk about is the feasibility of propelling an object composed of somewhere between a few dozen and a few hundred atoms. Remember Newton? F=ma ring a bell? To find the acceleration of a nanobot, a = F/m where F is the thrust of the propellant and m the mass of the nanobot. The thrust can be calculated by multiplying the mass of the propellent by its acceleration which in turn equals 2v/d (v = the final velocity and d the atomic radius).

    Plug these numbers in and you'll find that even if the propellant consists of a single atom the forward velocity of the nanobot will be somewhere in the region of 1/100th of the speed of light. That may not sound like much, but even 1/1000 * 3e8 m/s = 3e5 m/s = 300 km/s = 1080000 km/h!

    There's no way I'm letting one of these babies into my body..

    1. Re:Nano is a big scam by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      Hmm? Your wacky calculations bely your nick "physics genius." Using your calculations, I can produce just about any acceleration I choose, based on the choice of the "final velocity". I also think you fail to understand the difference between thrust and force - certainly insofar as the fact that your equation for "thrust" has units of frequency. Care to check your math? You also present velocities as accelerations - but I had to laugh.

      Finally, you have to realize that nobody is trying to 'propel' nanobots - the idea is that they sweep along in whatever material (be it blood, water, air, whatever) they are suspended in. Even so, the kinetic energy imparted from the oxidation of a single atom of propellant, as you postulate, would not be sufficient to propel a nanobot at even a minute fraction of c. Please work that out for yourself, but check your math this time. :)

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    2. Re:Nano is a big scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A virus is a nanobot. Do they go that fast?

  5. if(atoms 200) device != robot by nebbian · · Score: 1

    I think nanobots would have other problems besides going too fast though... A few hundred atoms? That's way smaller than even simple bacteria! A few hundred atoms is tiny, so unimaginably tiny that it would be a bit silly even thinking about trying to make robots that small. I mean just think about the control system a simple robot needs... you need a couple of transistors at the very least, and the last I heard batteries (or capacitors) don't work very well when you've only got a couple of hundred atoms worth of storage to play with. And just what would a robot that small actually accomplish? No, I think that the robots that we will eventually put into the bloodstream will be in the order of a couple of hundred microns across, not a couple of hundred atoms.

    Besides, what about brownian motion? :-)

  6. No Comment by alacqua · · Score: 3, Funny
    How about a vodka beowulf... no...

    Do you drink your whiskey on emacs or... no...

    Is this process GPLed or BSD... no...

    Oh my god, I have nothing interesting to say.

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    1. Re:No Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Natalie Portman and Vodka!

      I just hope she doesn't have anything to say about my "nano tube"

    2. Re:No Comment by Verne · · Score: 1

      > Move on. There's nothing to see here.

      There sure wasn't....

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  7. A few days late by heikkile · · Score: 2
    Hirose has also synthesized diamonds from alcoholic beverages. The process was described in high school chemistry textbooks.

    Would it be that this was an April Fools joke? Or has someone seen those chemistry textbooks?

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    1. Re:A few days late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Hirose has also synthesized diamonds from alcoholic beverages. The process was described in high school chemistry textbooks.

      Would it be that this was an April Fools joke? Or has someone seen those chemistry textbooks?

      I can believe both claims.

      The usual method for growing diamond films uses methane as the carbon source. Alcohol (ethanol) is simple enough that I could see it working in the place of methane.

      Ditto for growing buckytubes. Heat up a cloud of alcohol vapour, and the OH group will steal a hydrogen and detach as water, bonding two alcohol molecules. Hydrogen remaining on the carbon chains comes off as methane or hydrogen if sufficiently persuaded. What you end up with is mess containing graphite and a few graphite sheets rolled into fullerene tubes.

      Remember, buckyballs and buckytubes can be found in _candle soot_. Producing them's not hard - it's producing them at high yields with very specific characteristics that's the tough part.

  8. Sake? Beer? by marcus · · Score: 1

    "I hope for the sake of my life they won't
    extract nanotubes from beer."

    Is that sah-kee in your beer, or just rice wine?

    If nanotubes are a no-go, how about buckyballs in your beer?

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  9. Beer Goggles by nucal · · Score: 4, Funny
    Hirose has also synthesized diamonds from alcoholic beverages. The process was described in high school chemistry textbooks.

    I always wondered what Beer Goggles were made out of.

  10. Shock Horror! by GregWebb · · Score: 2

    The world is coming to an end!

    There's a nanotech story on the front page of Slashdot AND HEMOS DIDN'T POST IT!

    Is he off sick or something?

    ;-)

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  11. quality? by dunedan · · Score: 0

    Just out of curiosity does anyone know what kind of nanotubes are being produced here?

    I did some work on theory behind making these things into digital circuits but it was really sensitive to the kind of tube you could get. Some are metalic, some are semiconductors, some are skinnier than others which actually matters.

    When I was up on the research to get conducting tubes the best process was DC electric arcing of carbon rods mixed w/ boron.

    Anybody know how this one stacks up?

    1. Re:quality? by ilbrec · · Score: 1

      Well, I think it is quite simple that they are talking about carbon nanotubes. Since these nanotubes are made of carbon, I don't think they can be metallic nanotube. Given some form of carbon do conduct electricity (graphite, for example), they probably are semiconductor. They probably have a long cage like structure; somewhat like enormously stretched fullerene (bucky ball). That structure will make the tubes possible to conduct the electricity, as there are a lot of delocalized electrons (just as polybenzene conduct electricity).

    2. Re:quality? by dunedan · · Score: 0

      yes, I know all that, but the particular lattice structure of some carbon nanotubes makes them better than conductors than copper by some calculations and by some experiments. Some people even think they have shown some carbon nanotubes to be balistic conductors (i.e. it dosn't matter how long you make it the only resistance in the tube is contact resistance with other stuff)

      So in this field we call them "metallic" if they conduct as good or better than metals. Other tubes with slightly different structure do behave more like semiconductors. but I see how that would be confusing if you hadn't read a ton of technical papers on the subject.

  12. Vodka & Whisky from Nanotubes by SIGFPE · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that would be an interesting story.

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  13. Your calculations seem odd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something nobody seems to want to talk about is the feasibility of propelling an object composed of somewhere between a few dozen and a few hundred atoms. Remember Newton? F=ma ring a bell? To find the acceleration of a nanobot, a = F/m where F is the thrust of the propellant and m the mass of the nanobot. The thrust can be calculated by multiplying the mass of the propellent by its acceleration which in turn equals 2v/d (v = the final velocity and d the atomic radius).

    These calculations vaguely resemble the calculations for a rocket in vacuum, but a) you don't give any actual parameter values, b) you need a few more parameters in there to get meaningful answers, and c) a nanobot is moving through a viscous fluid environment, not vacuum.

    Plug these numbers in and you'll find that even if the propellant consists of a single atom the forward velocity of the nanobot will be somewhere in the region of 1/100th of the speed of light.

    In order to go at 1/100th the speed of light from firing one atom of exhaust off, the exhaust atom would have to be fired at relativistic speeds. This is easily shown from conservation of momentum (exhaust momentum equals momentum imparted to the nanobot). You probably want to re-check your calculations.

    In practice, a nanobot works the same way as any aircraft or watercraft - it uses its environment as reaction mass, instead of expending its own mass, and moves at a more or less constant speed (the speed at which drag and thrust are equal), instead of accelerating freely.

    The real problem with nanobots is that because they're tiny, they have a huge surface-to-volume ratio, which means drag is very strong (this is made worse by the fact that things are a lot stickier at such small scales). The result of this is that a nanobot either has to be externally powered, or has to drift with the currents in the fluid that contains it, because otherwise it'll rapidly expend all of its stored energy trying to move through the air or water that it's swimming in.

  14. Novel, yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is this really a breakthrough. Anyone with any real cold hard facts to support the breakthrough criteria?

  15. The beer is safe by j_w_d · · Score: 1

    The team then used 96 proof vodka and 54 proof whisky instead of pure alcohol and successfully recreated a smaller amount of the material. Nanotubes were not created from mixtures with lower alcohol contents.

    It looks like beer is proof against nanotube construction.

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