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Seeking Arguments Against the CBDTPA?

ccfpark writes "I am going to Washington D.C. next week to talk to my senator (Bill Nelson of FL) and his technology advisor, Reg Lichty, about the CBDTPA. I am personally against this bill as it has the possibility of labeling me as a criminal for my participation in Open Sorce projects such as Handhelds.Org and Tuxscreen, where we endeavor replace proprietary operating systems on consumer electronics with Linux. If this bill is passed it may lead to outlawing these types of activities because it could circumvent software copy protection in these products. What I need are some good resources for formulating a business and political argument against this bill, so that I can speak to these politicians on their level."

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  1. Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There are two "goods" associated with content that are at issue.
    The first good is quantity. Those with content rights at stake
    would have you believe that content is scarce.
    Those who wish to access that content find it plentiful.

    That brings us to the second good, utility.
    Those who intend to access content, once obtained find their ability to
    utilize that content meager, due to the lack of the tools to make use of that
    content to the fullest. For example if someone wanted to playback their movie
    with a slightly altered soundtrack they find soundtrack alteration tools
    lacking. Using StarWars Episode One for an example
    if someone wanted to write a utility to mute all of Jar-Jar Binks parts,
    they would find it nearly impossible to do. This is due to the laws in place
    that support the content rights holders.
    The same features that are designed to prevent theft, prevent the sort of
    utility mentioned. When end users of content do not get the use they
    desire from content, the value of the content goes down.

    1. The economy of altenate distribution methods (DVD) for high quality
    digital content hinders consumer adoption of broadband Internet service.

    2. The laws intended to protect digital media content rights owners
    prevent utilities to be developed to fully utilize existing content thus
    hindering adoption of digital television products.

    3. If laws intened to further protect digital media content rights owners
    are passed, no change in consumer adoption of digital television will take
    place, because we are aready facing a content glut.

    4. Broadband Internet service is affected by communications as well as content.

  2. Arguments to use by em.a18 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) The activities they are targetting (wide-spread sharing) are already illegal. (Napster is dead.)

    2) The law targets all digital devices. (Does this mean that the locks in hotel doors have to have officially approved DRM technology since they are networked?)

    3) This would KILL hobbiest efforts (I learned by building computers).

    4) Open source is problematic

    5) Hollywood is free to invent their own technology.

    6) Hollywood is important to the county, but the computer industry is more imporant.

  3. From a business standpoint, it's a money pit. by Snowfox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From a business standpoint, hardware license protection is an ineffective money pit.

    So long as a single non-compliant piece of equipment exists that lets you record a screen or the output of a speaker, circumventing hardware protection is trivial.

    Rather than repeating what I've already typed up a couple of times, my thinking about what's really going to have to happen is here.

  4. Political/Business Argument by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    I think the best arguments against the type of law that the CBDTPA represents are from Republican playbooks.

    First, laize faire. The last thing the ailing tech industry needs is a mound of new goverment regulations.

    Second, 'innovation.' If we want to compete in the global marketplace, can we really afford to cripple every single US piece of electronics? Will our crippled products be preferred by other countries?

    Third, practicality. Can we really implement a practical form of content control? I would argue that the techincal barriers to setting a standard would be enormous. I would also argue that the creation of a single such standard makes the economic incentive to break that standard orders of magnitude greater. Can any single standard withstand the attacks of the hackers of the world? Isn't it better to allow diversity of solutions?

    Finally, I would call the movie industry's bluff. Are people seriously going to stop making movies if they can't have perfect control over their distribution? Would the localization of content creation be such a bad thing? Will it truly be the end of the world if this law isn't passed? People will not stop buying content simply because it is technically possible to get an illegal copy. It is technically possible to get an illegal copy of your neighbour's newspaper by photocopying it before he picks it up in the morning, but no one bothers.

    Good luck. P.S., how does one get to meet a senator?

  5. Crime vs. Tools by the_1000th_Monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This bill shouldn't go through on the premise that it's misplaced to illegalize the tools used in a crime even if the crime continues. The better solution is to enforce the existing law, rather than infringe on the use of tools. Tools used in a crime often have a legitimate purpose (which we're all aware of (DeCSS, Linux), and also a tool doesn't commit an act of bad intentions to deserve its being punished, the criminal performs the act.

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  6. Cost by Control+Group · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As watching any politician function over a period of ten minutes will demonstrate, money talks. A legal mandate for DRM in all hardware & software is essentially a method for passing the cost of piracy prevention from the RIAA/MPAA to non-related businesses. In cases such as Microsoft, Intel, and IBM, this cost will most likely be dismissed by the targeted Senator as absorbable, but in the case of small businesses it is disproportionately large. And small business is a huge percentage of commerce in this country--and hence, of tax base. I think it's on the order of 90%, in fact, but I don't have a cite to go with that (if I wasn't at work, I'd hunt something up, sorry).

    Passing this bill would be kind of like passing a bill making all shirts required to have airbags installed, so the automobile industry doesn't have to. Even if you buy into this as a "solution" for a "problem" that isn't being addressed (which is not, in fact, the case), it doesn't make sense.

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  7. Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm completely dead set against the CBDTPA. But, I thought I would throw some counter arguments out there, and see what our responses to them would be:

    1.3 So what's the problem?
    The problem is that copyright protections have become too strong. For the past 200 years, legislation and court decisions preserved a careful balance between the need to protect the rights of creators and the need to protect the rights of citizens. Sometimes those rights come into conflict, for example when a reviewer wants to quote a passage from a novel or when a TV fan wants to record a show in order to watch it later. In the case of such conflicts, citizens were often given reasonable flexibility to use legally purchased content in a convenient manner.

    However, that balance has been dramatically shifted by recent copyright laws. Today, citizens have practically no legal rights to use content that they own. We simply want to restore the fair and reasonable balance that served us for two centuries.

    But isn't there a fundamental difference in today's technology and so-called "fair use?" If a reviewer quotes part of a book, only a small portion of that book is duplicated and make freely available. If a home viewer tapes a show on a VCR, the most he can do is run a few copies off for friends. But with digital content and the Internet, a home computer user can share a perfect copy of any content with potentially millions of other people, with minimal time and effort. Doesn't that pose an immediate danger to copyright holders? How do you propose we stem illegal distribution of copyrighted material, other than mandating that copy-thwarting be built into any device that can read the original work?

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    1. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by glhturbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But with digital content and the Internet, a home computer user can share a perfect copy of any content with potentially millions of other people, with minimal time and effort. Doesn't that pose an immediate danger to copyright holders?

      We ALREADY HAVE LAWS TO DEAL WITH THIS! We don't need any new ones!! If I make a digital copy of a copyrighted work, and post it on the Internet, I've broken ALREADY EXISTING LAWS! Just because I may choose to "tape" programs on my TiVO, or on my PC, doesn't mean I've surrendered "fair use". Even if I burn them on CD, as long as they are for my personal use (like a VCR tape is), then there's no problem. The quality of the reproduction, and the speed at which it can be distributed, are different in the digital world, but that doesn't mean we need new laws. Breaking copyright is breaking copyright, plain and simple...
    2. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by Perrin-GoldenEyes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You go after the actual copyright violators. Target the particularly egregious ones first. But don't restrict the rights of the common law-abinding citizen in order to stop the few criminals. That's just stupid. Gun control has the same problem. Despite the fact that the VAST majority of crimes are comitted with guns that are NOT legally owned, the leftists want to go after law-abiding legal gun owners.

      When it comes down to it, it's not the government's perogative to stop people from engaging in perfectly legitimate legal activities just because those activities can be used to commit crimes. Punish the criminals once they commit the crimes. Don't punish the law-abiding citizen who just wants to enjoy his or her hobby.

      The upshot of all this is that it is not my responsibility to sacrifice rights just to make the jobs of law-enforcement personnel or copyright holders easier.

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      -Perrin.
      Now I want you to go in that bag and find my lightsaber. It's the one that says bad mother-fscker on it.
    3. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But there is more to it than that...
      Assualt rilfes serve *no* purpose beyond killing people. MP3s, CD Burners, and other digital devices do serve a legitimate purpose to the honest consumer.

    4. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by curunir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Murder is already actively enforced. Copyright infringement is not. If law enforcement were actively monitoring people who share content (getting their ips, calling the ISP to get their real identity and then prosecuting them) and the problem still persisted, then it might be time for new laws. This is the same argument gun enthusiasts use when talking about new handgun legislation. Enforce existing laws before passing new ones.

      Assault rifle legislation was enacted also as a protection for law enforcement. Police officers put their lives on the line on a daily basis. Having officers out-gunned by criminals is a real problem. The only thing that copyright infringement affects is how many Bentleys/Ferraris Hillary Rosen buys on a given day. It's pretty clear to me that we have to be much more careful with controling weapons than controlling computers' copying ability.

      Incidently, other proposals for disabling computers might be much more useful. As more important services are moved onto the web, limiting a computers ability to attack another computer could be handled at the machine level. I wonder how many people on /. would object to their ethernet card preventing them from DoS'ing another site. I wouldn't want any law to mandate that, but would consider it a feature when selecting which card I bought since it might deter people cracking into my box.

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    5. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > You go after the actual copyright violators. Target the particularly egregious ones first. But don't restrict the rights of the common law-abinding citizen in order to stop the few criminals. That's just stupid. Gun control has the same problem. Despite the fact that the VAST majority of crimes are comitted with guns that are NOT legally owned, the leftists want to go after law-abiding legal gun owners.

      Another case for research and knowing your audience. When you meet with a Representative or Senator, research his or her voting record. Choose your analogies to match your audience.

      For instance, this analogy - "CBDTPA on my computer is like a law requiring mandatory trigger locks on guns!"

      If the Congressman/woman is a "strong supporter of Second Amendment Rights to self-defence", that's a good analogy to use. Your politician sees trigger locks as an unnecessary government intrusion on the rights of law-abiding gun owners (that criminals will ignore anyways), and will likely realize that CBDTPA is a simliarly-heavy-handed intrusion on the rights of law-abiding computer users, that criminals will also ignore.

      But if your Congressman/woman has gone on record sponsoring a bill for trigger locks because "trigger locks make homes safer for kids", it's not a good analogy to use. This politician sincerely believes that trigger locks prevent crime and make the world a better place -- and your bringing up of the analogy will only undermine your argument. All you'll do is make them think "Gee, if we needed trigger locks to make guns safer, we must need CPDTPA to make computers safer too!"

      It doesn't matter what you think trigger locks are good or bad -- it matters that you know what they think of trigger locks before you bring it up. Otherwise, you could just be (ahem :) shooting yourself in the foot.

      Bonus points if you do research on bills and issues your Congressman/woman has actually sponsored or taken serious interest in, and can figure out a valid analogy that makes CBDTPA look like the opposite of what they want to do with their political career.

    6. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by happyclam · · Score: 5, Insightful
      But with digital content and the Internet, a home computer user can share a perfect copy of any content with potentially millions of other people, with minimal time and effort. Doesn't that pose an immediate danger to copyright holders?

      Ah! An interesting point. Let's explore it.

      copyright historical timeline

      New technology does necessitate the advent of new rules. Easy reproduction of printed material in the 1700's, and the abuse of that power, caused the first copyright laws to be enacted (statute of Anne). It is quite important to note that nearly all copyright laws, starting with this one, intend to protect the author of the work, not the producer of the work.

      At the time, the author of a book contracted with a printer to print the book. Today's entertainment industry in the US has turned that on its head: the artist is nearly forced to give up entirely their copy rights to their work in order to get someone to publish it.

      Today, the power now rests with those who control the distribution rather than with those who create the product. The proposed legislation wrests even more control from the creator, handing it over to the distributors.

      Now we can branch this line of thought into a few different directions:

      1. "creator" is now a vague term: Who is the real "creator" of a Britney Spears song or video? She couldn't do that on her own. Someone wrote the song, the musicians performed it. Britney Spears is not truly the artist so much as a brand name attached to an entire conglomeration of products from various creators. Yet, only the song and the video are actually copyrighted--the performance can not be copy protected, and someone else is free to perform their own version (they're just not allowed to record and sell it because it would be a derivative work). Thus, perhaps it's not the digital nature of the recording but the muddyness of branding, artist, producer, distributor, performance, etc.
      2. digital technology makes copying easier than ever before: So what? If you're caught, there's a penalty. Printing presses and photocopiers do not include technology to restrict reprinting of copyrighted materials. No legislation demands that they include such technology. The government has not decided that the photocopier industry needs a "kick start" to protect the copy rights of Random House and Houghton Mifflin and Viking etc. HP and Epson printers do not check to see whether the text you're printing is copyrighted by Disney or the Washington Post or Playboy. Imagine what would have happened to the computer industry if the government had mandated such technology!
      3. who does this bill protect? This bill is not about artists getting a fair shake from their creations. It is about forcing one industry to do something to protect the profit margins of another industry. If it were about consumers or artists, it would have stemmed from grass roots and would have happened in the industry organically, as virus protection has. Instead, it comes from the leaders of a single industry's largest companies, who are complaining about potential revenues lost rather than actual damages done. Some of this money may make it to the artists, but most will likely go to overhead costs of production and distribution and enforcement and shareholders.

      This content could not exist without the new digital technology that they say threatens it so soundly. It is exactly because copies are so easy to make and distribute that Hollywood has their panties in a bunch about piracy. Piracy is a blip. They are more worried about losing control of the channel, losing control of the audience, losing control of distribution. Instead of clinging to their buggy-whip distribution mechanisms, they should remake themselves into more modern companies utilizing the new technologies. If this were the cretaceous age, Congress would be trying to outlaw mammals because they posed a threat to the existing life forms. These companies must evolve or get out of the way for the next generation.

      I mostly wrote this as I thought it through, but I am now even more opposed to the theory and practice of this legislation than ever before. I certainly will vote against any supporter of this bill (or anyone they endorse) in upcoming elections.

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      He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."
    7. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by lysurgon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nice quote list. Note that all those people have been dead for about 150 years at least.

      In the context of an agrarian revolution, this makes a lot of sense. In the context of a modern urbanized society, it does not. Simply banning guns, of course, is not an answer to the problem: you have to look at how to get rid of the guns that are out there, then disarming many of the police, etc etc etc.

      It's a long process with an idealistic goal, but doesn't it make sense to live peacefully?

    8. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by lysurgon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And this is grounds to make them illegal?

      No, that's grounds to debunk the illusion people have that owning a weapon makes them safe.

      Look. In other countries with similar population densities (e.g. Japan, the UK) you have no firearms, and still civil liberties on par with the US in almost many respects. At the same time you have a single digit number of hand gun deaths a year.

      In the US, you have well over 10,000 deaths by handgun and about 10x that many assults, meaning somoene was only shot at or wounded. I refuse to believe that this level of destruction of human life is "the price of liberty".

      And it's not that we're that much more or less violent than other cultures, it's simpy that it's really easy for people to get lethal weapons in this country. The barrier for purchase is so low, it's almost assumed that you need a gun: "you gotta have steel just to feel relaxation."

      That's no way to live, people. They have just as many bar fights and street gangs in the UK as we do here. The only salient difference is that they battle with fists, bats, clubs and knives. The result is a far greater preservation of human life.

  8. Artificial Price Floors? by CynicTheHedgehog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know if this will hold any water from a legal standpoint, and it may be a little off topic, but it is worth noting that competition in the entertainment industry is non-existent. If it were Sony vs. Universal vs. Paramount vs. Whoever then that might be another story, but what we have here is a unified effort by the organizations to which they subscribe: the RIAA and the MPAA. Acting as single entities, these organizations are responsible for artificial price floors on CDs, movie tickets, and home video releases. The only real competition is piracy. Jack Valenti and Hillary Rosen will tell you that people pirate because it's easy and they don't really see anything wrong with it, and that demand has kept the prices where they currently are. What I see is millions of Americans ranging from the very young and reckless to the very old and conservative willing to break the law to acquire these commodities rather than purchase them. This law just gives the MPAA and RIAA yet another tool to (in my opinion unethically) extend their choke hold on the industry.

    This may bring broadband services sooner, but then who would be able to afford them? This will ultimately and irreparably harm the consumer if passed.

    One last thought--fair use may not be a right, but it should be understood that consumers expect to have ownership of the products they purchase, not just the right to listen or watch on somebody else's terms. This expectation should be headed and legislation should be put in place to address it, as it seems to be the popular will of the people.

  9. Re:Bogus Laws by Zenjive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it that evey time someone suggests passing (or enforcing!) laws that keep corporations from raping the consumer, some bubba has to scream commie?

    You miss the point completely. When big business has free reign, consumer choice is taken away. When consumer choice is taken away, that is communism. Oh, but wait, since someone, somewhere is making buck off it, it must be good for the economy, right? WRONG!

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  10. In the letters I wrote to Congress... by Howard+Roark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I discussed the idea that DRM (Digital Rights Management) imposes what I call a "technical copyright" on a protected work, that is, a copyright that never expires. This is clearly contrary to what the founding fathers meant when said "limited time" in the Constitution, it circumvents the power of Congress to control the length of copyright protection, and it does nothing to "promote progress of science and the useful arts."

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    I believe in a Man's right to exist for his own sake.
  11. Re:Not a popular comment but... by Rupert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will be illegal to sell or import a device that doesn't include DRM.
    It will be illegal to write software to bypass the built-in DRM.
    There may be a market for devices that can be hacked, but it will be a black market. And, as the Randroids are fond of pointing out, the government *can* hold a gun to your head.

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  12. Re:Bogus Laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When consumer choice is taken away, that is communism.

    No, it isn't. When the workers, or an entity representing the workers, owns the means of production, that my friend is communism. Nothing more or less than that. It happens that in most of the regimes where this has been attempted, it's the state that has "represented" the workers, and the state has thought it most efficient to effectively abolish choice and competition. But there's no reason why it has to be that way.


    If a monopoly is in private hands, and is unaccountable to "the people" except through proactive law passing, then it's not communist. It sucks, it sucks lemons, but it's capitalist. Unfortunately, a factor of capitalism few people understand is that businesses always aim to grow, and sometimes there's nowhere to grow but in marketshare. In a pure capitalist system, monopolies are inevitable, not sudden changes to communism.


    Americans might find it easier to understand the world and what is happening to them if they take their blinkers off, and recognise that words like "communism", "liberal", "democracy", etc, are not insults, they actually mean something. And they definitely mean something more than simply "Anything we dislike we bundle under this one word."

  13. The best argument I've heard by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Forget any sort of whiny "it's my right to steal music" arguments. I think the best argument is this:

    It's the entertainment industry's problem, not the tech industry's.

    Keep repeating until they are enlightened. It's not fair to saddle tech companies, consumers and everyone else EXCEPT the entertainment industry with added expenses and inconvenience. If the entertainment industry wants copyright enforced, then let them use the laws that are already on the books. Let them sue the pirates. In other words, let them enforce it with their own money, not our money.

    Bottom line, there is no need for this law, because copyright violations are ALREADY ILLEGAL. Let the entertainment industry figure out how to enforce it.

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  14. Because I'm not a criminal.. by pitcrew · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and should not be treated as such. The best argument I can make it that so long as I don't engage in criminal activity I should not have to put up with the inconvenience of being treated as one. In my (cursory)reading of the law it would seem that the only part of it that your activities would break is the part about public distribution. You could probably prevent this by using a DRM shceme on the replacement O/S. I might also bring up the price that folks like myself would pay to protect someone else's property that I will never steal (I know that I am an acronism here but I never have and probably never will use a compter to listen to music). Up until recently it was always the actions in this country that were outlawed not the tools. Even lock picks are not per se illegal they are only illegal if they are used as burgulary tools. Other such burgulary tools are hammers, crowbars, bricks and hammers - should we outlaw them too. What I would do is take the law and draw several analogies between old technology (remember that cars were high-tech 60 years ago) and todays technology. If this type of logic was applied to the automotive industry my entire garage today would be illegal. I think you get the point. Another thing that you might ask for is if there has been a study done of the cost to society to protect Hollywoods profits. This could be compelling argument if it is unbalanced enough. Best of luck.

  15. Things you should ask for by Mad+Bad+Rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might ask the following provisions to be
    added, since they are entirely reasonable, and
    hence likely to "poison" the bill. >:K

    1. It must be possible for ordinary end-users
    who record and produce audiovisual works on
    consumer-grade equipment (garage bands,
    amateur film-makers and animators, etc.) to
    mark /their/ works with any of the watermarks
    mandated by the security standard, so their
    content can be viewed on all compliant media
    devices that require such watermarks.

    (otherwise, the bill is essentially asking for
    "digital prior restraint" by whoever dispenses
    the watermarks, which would surely be found
    un-Constitutional by the Supreme Court).

    2. Similarly, it must be possible for ordinary
    end-users to mark the works they create with
    any of the copying control settings defined
    by the standard, so they can exercise the
    full range of control over how their works
    are copied and used.

    (i.e. it should not be any more difficult or
    expensive for ordinary end-users to mark their
    works with digital copyright info than it would
    be for RIAA or MPAA members. Otherwise, the U.S.
    wouldn't be complying with their Berne Treaty
    obligations to automatically grant and uphold
    copyright without formal action by the author.)

    3. Any software or hardware technologies which
    are mandated by the standard must be freely
    available, without any patent, licensing, or
    royalty requirements, to ensure that it is
    possible for open-source "freeware" digital
    media tools to comply with the standard.

    (In particular, since Microsoft Corporation has
    basic patents covering /any/ computer operating
    system with embedded digital-rights management,
    the U.S. Government must revoke or buy those
    patents before mandating all operating systems
    software have this function. Otherwise, they
    would be simply handing Microsoft exclusive
    control of the entire software industry!)

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  16. This is ugly by Eric+Damron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of the "Findings" in Senator Hollings' bill:

    (14) When protected digital content is converted to analog for consumers, it is no longer protected and is subject to conversion into unprotected digital form that can in turn be copied or redistribute illegally.

    I.E. He doesn't want you to be able to play your CD and record the analog output through the use of stereo jack cables etc.

    (15) As solution to this problem is technologically feasible but will require government action, including a mandate to ensure its swift and ubiquitous adoption.

    I.E He wants laws that will FORCE hardware makers to cripple ALL electronic components that might be used to convert and/or copy digital signals into unprotected analog signals. This would mean that you would be FORCED to pay for crippled equipment because that is all that would be available.

    (16) Unprotected digital content on the Internet is subject to significant piracy, through illegal file sharing, downloading, and redistribution over the Internet.

    He is referring to the rampant theft of intellectual property like mp3s etc.

    (17) Millions of Americans are currently downloading television programs, movies, and music on the Internet and by using "file-sharing" technology. Much of this activity is illegal, but demonstrates consumers's desire to access digital content.

    He is referring to consumers who are exercising their right of fair use but then abusing that legal right by sharing the files with others.

    Notice the use of the word "consumers" and not citizens. His interests clearly are for the corporations and not for the average American.

    (18) Piracy poses a substantial economic threat to America's content industries.

    Ditto with the corporate interest thing.

    (19) A solution to this problem is technologically feasible but will require government action, including a mandate to ensure its swift and ubiquitous adoption.

    He repeats himself. He really wants to screw with our hardware.

    (20) Providing a secure, protected environment for digital content should be accompanied by a preservation of legitimate consumer expectations reading use of digital content in the home.

    Yeah, as long as we don't expect to exercise our fair use rights.

    (21) Secure technological protections should enable owners to disseminate digital content over the Internet without frustrating consumers' legitimate expectations to use that content in a legal manner.

    This bill would be changing the definition of "a legal manner", so your current expectations are irrelevant.

    (22) Technologies used to protect digital content should facilitate legitimate home use of digital content.

    Again, the "legitimate home use of digital content" will no longer include fair use. You will have to pay for content that is streamed to your home each time you listen or view it.
    It goes on and on but I think everyone gets the idea. Pass the Vaseline and bend over.

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    The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
  17. Re:Bogus Laws by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
    > America needs to stop making laws supporting Big Business, and we need to start supporting the small people, Joe Shmo American.

    Depends on whose party your Senator's from.

    The first rule in making a political argument is to KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.

    If you're writing to a Republican Congressman, the thrust of your argument against the CBDTPA is that this is a Democrat-sponsored bill to favor a niche industry ($35B revenues) and the liberal elite of Hollywood (who donate disproportionately to Democrats when it's campaign time), while destroying the much more important ($600B revenues) technology industry that drives American innovation economic growth.

    If you're writing to a Democratic Congressman, you use the other argument: CBDTPA is merely the latest way Big Business (Hollywood, MPAA, RIAA) is trouncing the rights of the Little Guy consumer (they tried to take his VCR, failed, and now are trying to take away his computer), and the independent creative community (no more independent films or indie bands when you can't do your own digital editing or burn your own CDs.)

    Incidentally, both of these arguments are true. CBDTPA is a threat to the technology industry and the independent artist alike.

    But your Congressman is very likely to have a political bias towards favoring only of these arguments (nothing wrong with that; it's his job to have a political bias on issues! That's why he got elected over the candidate from the other party!), only one of those arguments is likely to make an impression on him strong enough to influence his vote.

  18. a few points you may want to consider... by Hooya · · Score: 5, Insightful
    if we agree that this bill will outlaw opensource...

    • we go back a couple of decades where computers where very propriatery and closed and affordable to few (think mainframes) effectively putting us back in the stone age of computers. effectively undoing the progress of the last few dacades in this field. The reason PCs took off was because it was made open. Anyone could implement the open design. Look at all the closed machines -- eg. mainframes, workstations... Does anyone have one at home? For their children to learn on? So that they are efficiently well versed to become the next generation to further that technology?
    • government sanctions and or sanctions imposed by the 'chosen' few mega corps will severely impede on the innovations at the grass roots level. If you look at any sort of innovation, it usually is the case that a few people - not a corporation - come out with novel ideas.
    • what we have today is a complex electronic device - only possible with open, accessible standards - that multiple entities collaborate to produce. this device is then 'purposed' for multitude of application via software. by imposing any type of restriction on this device we will be limiting its future and its use -- both present and future. Are movies and music really worth that much to protect it to such a level where something much, much bigger is sacrificed?
      • For example, think beowulf, mosix... all using Linux -- something that would be outlawed -- technologies that exist today that allow the very same entities that are trying to ban open works such as the ones mentioned to perform extreamly complex operations. Hollywood uses linux for movies. Government uses it in various labs for research. All this on commodity hardware. Opensource/GNU has made it possible for someone like me to do the same thing at home! I put a cluster together and got to learn parallel processing at home because of open systems. Propriatary systems are either too expensive and cost prohibitive or they don't exist. Taking these learning opportunity away from the masses to protect movies just doesn't seem a good value proposition to me as a consumer.
      • These technologies exist today. The reason they exist is that someone who had the vision had access to the source, the design. Had this bill been in place who know if these technologies would even exist.

    In short, PCs and computers in general are much, much, much bigger than hollywood. I don't care much for movies streamed to me on my computers if hollywood can't figure out a way to do so with a framework that has worked for everyone else. It doesn't reduce the value of computers for me. As for watching movies I can rent a tape/DVD and watch it on dedicated hardware that already has copy protection. I don't want my computer to be turned into yet another DVD-player/TV combo. I already have that. Btw, computers and the internet weren't put together after years of research for me to turn a $2500 worth of equipment (not including software prices, connection fees etc.) to a 'toaster' like device that replaces a walk to the movie rental store, a VCR and a tv. Movies are already 'streamed' to my home thru cable. What is the value added for me, the consumer to limit the use of the hardware I have paid for? Hollywood has their hardware. Millions are spent on TVs and DVD players by consumers. They have made the rules and I have subscribed to the rules of their game. I have a VCR, a DVD player and several TVs in my home -- all manufactured to the specification of hollywood. Why can't they spend more R&D dollars and create enough value in those existing 'hollywood' hardware? It's obvious that they just want to 'choke the airsupply' of any technology that poses a threat to their stronghold. If hollywood wants to play the computer 'game' -- more specifically, the PC game it can't expect to have the rules changed for them.

    Sure computers could be used to pirate. Knives can be used to kill. Hammers can be used to smash heads. Crowbars can be used to break in. Maybe we ought to start selling blunt knives, plastic hammers and well, outright ban for the Crowbar. Therefore, this bill doesn't protect the consumer or add any value whatsoever for the consumer. Sorry i rambled a little but i'm really infuriated at the short sightedness of various elected brianiacs effectively to amputate a technology much much bigger than movies and music for the sake of protecting hollywood (while there's abundence of 'hollywood hardware' that could be enhanced if hollywood was truly concerned about providing consumers more value.)

  19. Re:Bogus Laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "We the corporations of the United States of America, in order to form a more perfect monopoly..."

    Wait, that's not it!
    If I hadn't have read it myself, I would believe it in this day and age.

    Also, just a general comment...
    People shouldn't mix up Politics/Government and Economics. Capitalism and Democracy are separate. Just because we are capitalist, doesn't mean that corporations should run the government. That would NOT be Democracy, that would be an Oligarchy. The people, the common man all with an equal vote(not more votes for those with more money) is a Democracy, NOT communism.

  20. Broken Promises by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I recently wrote to my Congressman, and the point that I tried to stress was that Hollywood has already broken its promises on this score. To help get the DMCA passed, they said that the lack of digital copyright protections were preventing them from distributing content on-line. Once that was passed, they said, they'd be able to start the on-line revolution. Instead, they absolutely refused to do anything on line and only used the DMCA to shut down potential competitors. Today we have no idea whether legitimate on-line distribution channels would suffer from excessive piracy because there haven't been enough legitimate on-line distribution channels to find out. Before Hollywood demands more protections, they should have to follow through on their previous promises and see whether or not piracy is really a problem in the face of legitimate sources of on-line content.

    --

    There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.

  21. A couple of points to consider... by Shimatta1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some points I would use if I were meeting with my Congresscritter would be these:

    1.) I would suggest that it is bad legislation that assumes that all users of consumer electronics are such incorrigible pirates that they cannot be trusted with uncrippled equipment. This is akin to saying that cars cannot be equipped with engines, because they might be used to make a getaway, perform a drive-by shooting, or be operated while drunk. All such things may be justification for, say, denying driving rights as a parole condition for a convicted felon, but not limitations assumed to be necessary for the general public. Point out that, the legislation would assume that even the congresscritter him-(or her-)self cannot be trusted with uncrippled technology.

    2.) Point out that, with current technology, the creation and distribution of entertainment could become a cottage industry (more likely with music than video, but still). Right now, a talented artist could write, record, and distribute his music without the recording industry's involvement, and I think that scares them more than all the pirates in Southeast Asia. The likely effect of legislation like this is that the ability to create music (or video) that does not have the blessing of the music industry will be made more difficult; the programs and devices to make legal recordings will likely become too expensive for the amateur to purchase, and will likely require some sort of proof that the purchaser is not involved in piracy (after all, involvement in piracy is assumed to be the norm, not the exception; if not, why are they doing this legislation?). By raising the difficulty of content creation, they reduce the likelihood of ever facing decent competition.

    Hopefully this will be of use,

    Jon "Shimatta" Baxter

  22. Just tell them this: by Lonath · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The copyright industry is correct that it will have to control and lock down all hardware and software to control copying, but that will destroy freedom.

    Example: Let's suppose that you want to videotape your daughter at her wedding dancing with her new husband to their favorite song.

    If machines exist that can do this, then machines exist that can record sounds such as the music in the background which is on a CD and copyrighted. If you can record the video and edit it, then you can split the sound from the picture. If you can copy this sound, then you can copy copyrighted content.

    Example: Let's suppose you're reading an book on your laptop as your baby crawls around the floor. Your baby then stands up and starts taking his first steps. He walks in front of the laptop with the copyrigted e-book on it. Should you be able to grab your video camera and record him walking around?

    If you have an e-book and you can videotape it, then you can either distribute video stills or use OCR to convert it into text. Either way, if you allow people to be able to take pictures of e-books on a computer, then those e-books can be copied. The only way to stop this is to make machines that can't record when they're pointed at a screen displaying copyrighted content.

    Example: Let's suppose that you're walking around in Times Square with all of the big video screens all around you. Many of them will be displaying copyrighted content. Should you be able to videotape all of the sights in Times Square even though you're copying copyrighted content?

    If so, then you can use a camera to copy copyrighted video.

    These examples are of people living in a world of content that's constantly coming out of things they own while those people are trying to make their own stuff. If you allow people to make their own content, the same machines and technologies that they will use for themselves can be used to copy copyrighted materials. There is no way to separate these two things.

    Once these things are recorded, they will be stored in slightly different formats than the original, so you won't even be able to tell what's copyrighted and what isn't just by comparing files. The industry will be forced to control and inspect all data that goes through any network.

    So, the only way to control copyright with technology is to make it illegal for anyone to create anything in any way including using computers, cameras, and microphones.

    I wonder how the copyright industry itself will continue to make their content since they will need to have tools for recording that aren't hobbled by the laws they want to inflict on everyone else. I don't think they realize that if they make it illegal to have a machine that can send copies of DVDs over the Internet, they won't be allowed to have computers to send their DVDs over the Internet. After all, they don't own ALL of the copyrighted movies in the world, so if their servers can send MY content over the Internet without my consent, they'll have to be illegal.

    Basically, they need to have total control. They have forever to keep trying to get this total control. They will be happy with baby steps because every time they get baby steps laws passed that control things a bit more, they have moved the line of what's acceptable. Since copying cannot be stopped without total control, they can come back and ask for more measures every time the partial measures fail until they have total control.

    And, interestingly enough, they will also clamp down on the ability of anyone else to create their own content to compete with the copyright industries, but I am sure that this loss of creative potential is a regrettable but unforseen consequence of the necessity of protecting their IP.

    Except for one thing. Will clamping down on all of the kinds of recording and editing machines that people can use to record their own music and movies advance the arts, or hinder them?

    I feel that if you have an opportunity where you can use technology to allow everyone to make and distribute art cheaply, you will advance the arts more than a world where the creation and distribution channels are artificially narrowed to serve a few corporate interests. If everyone has the chance to create and to share then arts will be advanced more than if things are controlled by a few.

    Since the only way to control copyright is to shut off the creative paths that would have been available to billions to keep thousands employed, I say these kinds of laws protect copyright at the expense of freedom. Since the only reason copyright exists is to advance the arts, and since a law like this will stifle the arts, a law like this cannot be constitutional.

    Not only will a law like this stifle:

    1. Progress of the Arts. Since it would have been possible to have a robust society where the ability to create and distribute art is available ot everyone, stopping that robust artistic society from forming will hinder Progress of the Arts, which is antithetical to the entire reason that copyright exists.
    2. The First Amendment, not only fair use, but through limiting how people can express themselves and share those expressions because machines that would facilitate the use of these rights will be destroyed and hindered. If it was ok for the government to hinder technology to keep people from expressing themselves, then they could have said that you cannot have free speech on the radio or a record or a television broadcast. Since the rights of free speect and the press extend to new technologies, removing the technologies that already exist will abridge free speech and freedom of the press.
    3. The Third Amendment right to not have soldiers (or watchers or sentinels) of the government quartered in your house in peacetime. Government-mandated electronic monitors on your house and property are tantamount to forcing people to have government agents in their house at all times.

    4. The Fourth Amendment Right to privacy since they will have to inspect and approve all transmissions you make (since you can split a large piece of content into smaller pieces) and you will not be able to encrypt anything (even if it's for legitimate privacy reasons) or else they won't be able to tell what's in them.
    5. The Fifth Amendment right to use your property since they will have to neuter any and all recording devices so that they don't work within range of content being spewed out. Since that's just about everywhere, the government will be taking away your ability to even use your video cameras and recording equipment. Older recording equipment will have to be confiscated, and since it will be extremely valuable after the laws like this pass, the government will never pay the true worth of the devices it's Taking.
    6. The Sixth Amendment right to a trial for your crimes. The assumption with this law is that we are all criminals. If they want to accuse us of crimes of copying, then get us arrested and send everyone to jail, but don't pass laws that hinder progress in other areas by assuming that everyone's a criminal.
    7. Your Eighth Amendment right to avoid cruel and unusual punishment. Hooking an unprotected computer up to a network or changing a bit in a file on your computer would be punishable by fines and jail time comparable to those for killing someone. There is no way that copying bits can ever be comparable to killing someone.
    8. The Fourteenth Amendment right to equal protection under the law. Since the copyright industry will need and use the very tools that they will throw other people in jail for having, they are setting themselves up as a protected class that lies outside the law. Everyone owns some copyright. I own copyright because I have written this comment, so whatever the "copyright owners" get, I deserve, and I expect. Anything other than that, and they are treating me as a second-class citizen, and I won't accept that.


  23. Step 1, throw all digital appliances out by scotpurl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What the CBDTPA really asks is this:

    Step 1, consumers must throw out all existing digital appliances. Includes microwaves with digital clocks, watches, thermostats, TVs, stereos, and cars (yes, the whole car).

    Step 2, businesses must throw out all existing digital infrastructure, such as cable, phone, DSL, radio, satellite. And all the digital appliances listed in step 1.

    Step 3, businesses must build a new digital infrastructure, such as cable, phone, DSL, radio, and satellite, that has copy protection built in.

    Step 4, the government decides what the full CBDTPA rules are, and authorizes U.S. Customs and the FBI to search out and sieze non-CBDTPA compliant devices.

    Step 5, businesses manufacture and sell CBDTPA compliant devices. After spending a few years adding features, working out compatibility issues, and scaling production.

    Step 6, consumers may now buy CBDTPA compliant devices.

    The bill is really asking for quadrillions of dollars to be spent, JUST IN THE U.S., to create a subscription-only media distribution system.

    An alternative? The taxes collected upon blank media should be used toward copyright enforcement.

    No one, upon no one, is putting forth the real costs of doing this.

    If the TV companies are whining about how consumers won't buy digital TVs now, think about how much the consumers will be whining when they have to stop using all the appliances they already own, and buy new appliances to replace them.

  24. Re:Advice by Chops · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Don't bogged them down in the details of programming
    Agreed. In fact, I'd stay entirely away from the free software/open source angle, except as a possible footnote, just because it's wierd and people don't value it (don't get me wrong, I love the stuff, but even most tech-savvy people I know still don't really understand that it matters.) My bullet points:
    • It won't work. You can copy software as easily as "content;" if a hardware solution like this were correct, the tech industry itself would be doing it by now. We're not morons. The {arrog,ignor}ance of the "content" industries, waddling their fetid selves over into our hallowed halls and announcing, "HEY I JUST DISCOVERED THERES THIS REALLY BAD THING I CALL IT PIRACY BUT THATS OKAY ILL MAKE THE LAWS AND YOU GUYS SPEND ALL THE MONEY AND DO ALL THE WORK WE CAN FIX IT I KNOW HOW" is really mind-blowing.
    • The freedom. Point out stuff like www.thefreeworld.net and Debian non-US, and why it is reasonable and necessary (DeCSS etc.). The attempted prosecution of Johansen, Felten, and Sklyarov for publishing useful information not only makes us look like assholes, it scares people. Now think about the phrase, "Shit, I'm going to the US. I guess I have to leave my laptop behind."
    • This leads into... The money. First off, the aforementioned "anyone from overseas with a laptop/palm pilot/complex cell phone becomes some sort of multiple copyright felon" effect will push business conferences, corporate headquarters, R&D labs, and lots else overseas, gutting much more than just the tech industry. Our executives will attempt to teleconference with their counterparts overseas, only to be met with Windows TNG error 0x34DF0AD: Could not authenticate remote DRM; denying video card access. Our OEMs will be saddled with extra costs and putrid sales, as everyone digs their old Pentium-600s out of the garage because "all I really do is mp3s and email." TCP/IP will become restricted technology (checking law... yep, routers are a "digital media device" by my reading of sect. 9 (3)), and the internet will route around the US. You wanna make a videoconferencing program? Better hike your ass down to talk to some Soviet-style beauracracy to get it "DRM approved." Hope you don't need access to the standard you'll need to implement; that's a patented trade secret trademarked by WeReallyDontCareWeSellMovies, incorporated. And don't forget the legions of innocent kids who are going to be going to our Danteesque prisons because they were caught with an imported network card, pushing rapists and murderers back onto the streets (see also "war on drugs.") Jesus Christ this is such a fucking bad idea. We tried "Interactive TV" in however many different forms, and it always failed (because people don't want the lukewarm dry-hump you soulless marketing pukes think is "entertainment"), and now we're going to gut the tech industry and our freedom so that we can have interactive TV.

      Wow. Holy good gravy. Okay, I have to admit: I have not yet written my congresspeople. I've been putting it off. I didn't realize how bad this was; compared to the unimaginable damage this is going to do to this country, the trouble it'll cause for free software is a drop in the bucket. I'm gonna calm down a little bit, and then I'm gonna write a letter that explains this all so my representatives can understand it, and then I'm gonna copy it out by hand (being careful to write neatly) and send it to them, today. And then I'm gonna start writing to the newspapers. (I'll post my letters as replies to this comment, just so's you'll know I'm not bullshitting.) Please, please do the same. Tell your friends and your parents and the people you work with; adjust your story optimistically so that they'll believe you. No one will believe you if you tell the truth.
  25. Let's reduce copyright duration. by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in the late 1700s when society moved and changed much slower than it did today, copyrights were granted for 15 years. Today, with lightspeed communication and accelerating rate of change, copyrights are granted for 75 years. Long copyrights are the antithesis of change. Copyrights should last no longer than 5 years.

  26. This law won't do any good.... by kcb93x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you think about it, this law will only stop the 'casual copiers,' but they probably have a buddy who can get around it anyway. This law is for the 1% of violators, who have ALREADY found ways around the current copy protection (DVD country codes, etc....) and stops the other 99% from doing anything related. Those 1% will STILL do what they want, and will still get around the protection. Basically, this law will stop the law-abiding people from doing anything related to copying anything on their computers, nothing else.

    --
    There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
  27. Property, dammit! by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it not enough anymore to say "it's MY damned computer, get your interfering mitts off of it!"

  28. CBDTPA bad for national defense, bad for Florida by guygee · · Score: 3, Insightful



    One of the unintended side effects of the CBDTPA that has not been explored
    is the negative impact on many ongoing high-tech DoD programs vital for national
    defense.

    In these days, especially, no politician will want to be perceived as obstructing
    the "war on terrorism" to benefit Hollywood and Disney.

    In general, one part of the argument you should develop is that CBDTPA will
    increase complexity and costs of all programmable COTS hardware and associated
    software. It should be an easy task to point out the benefit of using
    low-cost COTS solutions to the national defense. This SEI
    Monograph discusses various laws and regulations that encourage or mandate
    use of COTS technology in DoD programs. Note that the term "COTS" refers
    to open source as well as proprietary software, and is meant only to exclude
    custom, one-off type software.

    As far as the negative effect of the CBDTPA on open source software, and
    the resulting impact on national defense, you need only do some research
    on the wide use of open source solutions in ongoing DoD programs and operations
    to prove your point. Here is a link to a presentation
    (pdf) prepared by MITRE that discusses general use of open source software
    by the military. A couple of specific programs I would point to: Linux
    is a supported platform for the OneSAF testbed, and is
    practice is the platform of choice for ModSAF. These
    are especially important because much of the development for these packages
    is centered in the Modeling and Simulation industry concentrated around the
    Florida I-4 high-tech corridor (especially in Orlando).

    Which brings me to a second argument that is likely to carry weight with
    a politician: the CBDTPA is bad for business (especially local business).
    Here I would emphasize the detrimental effect of the CBDTPA on
    the efforts of the High Tech Corridor
    Council. I would recommend that you contact CEOs of hardware and
    software companies located throughout Florida, and suggest that you are willing
    to lobby the senator on their behalf against the CBDTPA. It will take
    a lot of weight to counter Disney, but you may get more support than you
    imagine. One very pro-linux Florida software company that I am familar
    with is I.D.E.A.L. Corp,
    you should contact their CEO and start to network outwards from there.