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Seeking Arguments Against the CBDTPA?

ccfpark writes "I am going to Washington D.C. next week to talk to my senator (Bill Nelson of FL) and his technology advisor, Reg Lichty, about the CBDTPA. I am personally against this bill as it has the possibility of labeling me as a criminal for my participation in Open Sorce projects such as Handhelds.Org and Tuxscreen, where we endeavor replace proprietary operating systems on consumer electronics with Linux. If this bill is passed it may lead to outlawing these types of activities because it could circumvent software copy protection in these products. What I need are some good resources for formulating a business and political argument against this bill, so that I can speak to these politicians on their level."

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  1. Digital Consumer has the arguments will summed up. by thesolo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Be sure to check out the FAQ at Digital Consumer for plenty of Q & A on the subject.

    Also, Rep. Rick Boucher's Copyright Address will probably help you formulate a good argument.

    Good Luck!!

  2. Arguments to use by em.a18 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) The activities they are targetting (wide-spread sharing) are already illegal. (Napster is dead.)

    2) The law targets all digital devices. (Does this mean that the locks in hotel doors have to have officially approved DRM technology since they are networked?)

    3) This would KILL hobbiest efforts (I learned by building computers).

    4) Open source is problematic

    5) Hollywood is free to invent their own technology.

    6) Hollywood is important to the county, but the computer industry is more imporant.

  3. From a business standpoint, it's a money pit. by Snowfox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From a business standpoint, hardware license protection is an ineffective money pit.

    So long as a single non-compliant piece of equipment exists that lets you record a screen or the output of a speaker, circumventing hardware protection is trivial.

    Rather than repeating what I've already typed up a couple of times, my thinking about what's really going to have to happen is here.

  4. My letter may be of some value by sulli · · Score: 5, Interesting
    in my journal, in my signature below. Sent to sponsor Feinstein (and note her incorrect reply).

    If I were in the face of a pol on this issue, I would argue as follows:

    1. You will infuriate your constituents who have become accustomed to controlling their own music, movies, and PCs (and they will vote against you)
    2. You will destroy large numbers of job-creating businesses that work with free and open-source software (and people connected with same will vote against you)
    3. You will destroy our liberty, and this is ipso facto a bad thing (and people will vote against you to preserve said liberty)

    In related thoughts: I think the folks we should learn from are the pro-choice and gun lobbies. They're not pro-abortion, they're abortion rights advocates; they're not pro-gun, they are defending the right to keep and bear arms. Cast the debate in terms of rights, and then turn out the protesters, and you'll have a lot of success - in liberal and conservative states alike.

    And, EFF et al.: it's time to broaden the coalition radically. Send that alarmist direct mail! It works. "Hollywood wants to take away YOUR PC!" Buy mailing lists from right-wing and left-wing groups alike - guns, smokers, abortion, gay rights, you name it. Everyone who sends $ to a group wanting to defend its rights should get an angry, alarmist EFF mailer - that will get the members and the cash necessary for the full-court press we will need to KILL HOLLYWOOD'S BILLS DEAD. Fight fire with fire.

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    sulli
    RTFJ.
  5. Advice by hrieke · · Score: 5, Informative
    • Have handout with easy to read bullet points that explain your concerns
    • Don't bogged them down in the details of programming
    • Let them ask questions and be ready to back up your answers with facts
    • Might want to give / have on hand a history lesson on how the PC industry started by reverse engineering the IBM BIOS
    • Offer your time and expertise on technical issues
    • Thank them for their time
    • Give your time to his campain
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  6. Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by Mr.+Neutron · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm completely dead set against the CBDTPA. But, I thought I would throw some counter arguments out there, and see what our responses to them would be:

    1.3 So what's the problem?
    The problem is that copyright protections have become too strong. For the past 200 years, legislation and court decisions preserved a careful balance between the need to protect the rights of creators and the need to protect the rights of citizens. Sometimes those rights come into conflict, for example when a reviewer wants to quote a passage from a novel or when a TV fan wants to record a show in order to watch it later. In the case of such conflicts, citizens were often given reasonable flexibility to use legally purchased content in a convenient manner.

    However, that balance has been dramatically shifted by recent copyright laws. Today, citizens have practically no legal rights to use content that they own. We simply want to restore the fair and reasonable balance that served us for two centuries.

    But isn't there a fundamental difference in today's technology and so-called "fair use?" If a reviewer quotes part of a book, only a small portion of that book is duplicated and make freely available. If a home viewer tapes a show on a VCR, the most he can do is run a few copies off for friends. But with digital content and the Internet, a home computer user can share a perfect copy of any content with potentially millions of other people, with minimal time and effort. Doesn't that pose an immediate danger to copyright holders? How do you propose we stem illegal distribution of copyrighted material, other than mandating that copy-thwarting be built into any device that can read the original work?

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    dinner: it's what's for beer
    1. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by glhturbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But with digital content and the Internet, a home computer user can share a perfect copy of any content with potentially millions of other people, with minimal time and effort. Doesn't that pose an immediate danger to copyright holders?

      We ALREADY HAVE LAWS TO DEAL WITH THIS! We don't need any new ones!! If I make a digital copy of a copyrighted work, and post it on the Internet, I've broken ALREADY EXISTING LAWS! Just because I may choose to "tape" programs on my TiVO, or on my PC, doesn't mean I've surrendered "fair use". Even if I burn them on CD, as long as they are for my personal use (like a VCR tape is), then there's no problem. The quality of the reproduction, and the speed at which it can be distributed, are different in the digital world, but that doesn't mean we need new laws. Breaking copyright is breaking copyright, plain and simple...
    2. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by lysurgon · · Score: 5, Informative

      But with digital content and the Internet, a home computer user can share a perfect copy of any content with potentially millions of other people, with minimal time and effort.

      I think this came out in a lower post. The law CAN be effective in cracking down on the mass distribution of pirate digital material. Napster is dead. The fact that there are other services more or less emulating napster (e.g. gnutell, kazaa) simply refelcts that the industry concerns havn't been litigating strenuously enough. If they wanted to, they could shut down both of these services. Admittedly freenet would be a little more difficult, but the ease of use theshold there is high enough that it probably won't ever get enough of a following to really hurt profits.

      And now I'm going to get ranty...

      Beyond that: the far more salient point is that there's no credible research suggesting that people are purchasing less music, books, or movies as a result of digitalization! Surprise surprise, people will still pay for reliable access to quality content. If you want to have a nice evening with friends, do you hit up bloackbuster for a DVD, or spend 8 hours trying to download some crappy divix rip of the same movie?

      Likewise, if there were a service that allowed me to pay a reasonable monthly subscription and get reliable access to the music I wanted, I would be all over it. The truth is that the entertainment business has failed to innovate and has dropped the ball when it comes to responding to changing consumer desires. Now they're looking to the government to bail them out. What will be the public cost of creating these security measures let alone enforcing them? This is not something I want my tax dollars being spent on!

      Actually, to back out of rant-mode, that's another good point: who pays for the development and enforement mandated by this legislation. Forget for a second that whatever they come up with will probably be emminantly crackable, how much will it cost taxpayers? How much will it cost business to implement? Has anyone done any numbers on this? What are the penalties looking like? What would the added overhead to the criminal justice system be?

      A purely fiscal argument might be a strong one to make.

    3. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 4, Interesting
      But with digital content and the Internet, a home computer user can share a perfect copy of any content with potentially millions of other people, with minimal time and effort. Doesn't that pose an immediate danger to copyright holders? How do you propose we stem illegal distribution of copyrighted material, other than mandating that copy-thwarting be built into any device that can read the original work?

      Excellent question. I applaud you for asking it.

      Perhaps you're starting with the wrong question. May I propose a few of my own?

      Why should we assume that the "infinite perfect copies" nature of digital publishing poses any danger at all to copyright holders? Has this been proven, or are we just assuming it must be so?

      Even if there is a proven danger to copyright holders, what incentive do we have to protect copyright holders? Has it been proven that protection of copyright holders is a net benefit to the country as a whole? Our Founding Fathers thought so (to the tune of 14 years total) but has it been proven in the context of a digital publishing environment? For the past 200 years or so in this country, we have used copyright law to protect copyright holders, but prior to that we didn't. If times have changed before (and we found the lack of a copyright law was problematic, necessitating the current need for copyright law) why should we presume that times will never change again, and we find the support of a copyright law becoming problematic, necessitating the removal of copyright protections?

      Current copyright law protects copyright for upwards of 150 years. That's almost as long as copyright law has existed in this country. Have we really become so wise that we can see the future as well as we can see the past?

      Or perhaps you just need a good absurd question to drive the point home...

      If I can demonstrate the duplication of copyrighted digital material using (oh , let's say) a bread making machine, will this legislation require the manufacturer to recall all bread making machines and install the appropriate DRM software into the device?

      Why yes, it really could get to that point.

      --

      The thing about things we don't know is we often don't know we don't know them.

    4. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
      > You go after the actual copyright violators. Target the particularly egregious ones first. But don't restrict the rights of the common law-abinding citizen in order to stop the few criminals. That's just stupid. Gun control has the same problem. Despite the fact that the VAST majority of crimes are comitted with guns that are NOT legally owned, the leftists want to go after law-abiding legal gun owners.

      Another case for research and knowing your audience. When you meet with a Representative or Senator, research his or her voting record. Choose your analogies to match your audience.

      For instance, this analogy - "CBDTPA on my computer is like a law requiring mandatory trigger locks on guns!"

      If the Congressman/woman is a "strong supporter of Second Amendment Rights to self-defence", that's a good analogy to use. Your politician sees trigger locks as an unnecessary government intrusion on the rights of law-abiding gun owners (that criminals will ignore anyways), and will likely realize that CBDTPA is a simliarly-heavy-handed intrusion on the rights of law-abiding computer users, that criminals will also ignore.

      But if your Congressman/woman has gone on record sponsoring a bill for trigger locks because "trigger locks make homes safer for kids", it's not a good analogy to use. This politician sincerely believes that trigger locks prevent crime and make the world a better place -- and your bringing up of the analogy will only undermine your argument. All you'll do is make them think "Gee, if we needed trigger locks to make guns safer, we must need CPDTPA to make computers safer too!"

      It doesn't matter what you think trigger locks are good or bad -- it matters that you know what they think of trigger locks before you bring it up. Otherwise, you could just be (ahem :) shooting yourself in the foot.

      Bonus points if you do research on bills and issues your Congressman/woman has actually sponsored or taken serious interest in, and can figure out a valid analogy that makes CBDTPA look like the opposite of what they want to do with their political career.

    5. Re:Playing Devil's Advocate for the Industry by happyclam · · Score: 5, Insightful
      But with digital content and the Internet, a home computer user can share a perfect copy of any content with potentially millions of other people, with minimal time and effort. Doesn't that pose an immediate danger to copyright holders?

      Ah! An interesting point. Let's explore it.

      copyright historical timeline

      New technology does necessitate the advent of new rules. Easy reproduction of printed material in the 1700's, and the abuse of that power, caused the first copyright laws to be enacted (statute of Anne). It is quite important to note that nearly all copyright laws, starting with this one, intend to protect the author of the work, not the producer of the work.

      At the time, the author of a book contracted with a printer to print the book. Today's entertainment industry in the US has turned that on its head: the artist is nearly forced to give up entirely their copy rights to their work in order to get someone to publish it.

      Today, the power now rests with those who control the distribution rather than with those who create the product. The proposed legislation wrests even more control from the creator, handing it over to the distributors.

      Now we can branch this line of thought into a few different directions:

      1. "creator" is now a vague term: Who is the real "creator" of a Britney Spears song or video? She couldn't do that on her own. Someone wrote the song, the musicians performed it. Britney Spears is not truly the artist so much as a brand name attached to an entire conglomeration of products from various creators. Yet, only the song and the video are actually copyrighted--the performance can not be copy protected, and someone else is free to perform their own version (they're just not allowed to record and sell it because it would be a derivative work). Thus, perhaps it's not the digital nature of the recording but the muddyness of branding, artist, producer, distributor, performance, etc.
      2. digital technology makes copying easier than ever before: So what? If you're caught, there's a penalty. Printing presses and photocopiers do not include technology to restrict reprinting of copyrighted materials. No legislation demands that they include such technology. The government has not decided that the photocopier industry needs a "kick start" to protect the copy rights of Random House and Houghton Mifflin and Viking etc. HP and Epson printers do not check to see whether the text you're printing is copyrighted by Disney or the Washington Post or Playboy. Imagine what would have happened to the computer industry if the government had mandated such technology!
      3. who does this bill protect? This bill is not about artists getting a fair shake from their creations. It is about forcing one industry to do something to protect the profit margins of another industry. If it were about consumers or artists, it would have stemmed from grass roots and would have happened in the industry organically, as virus protection has. Instead, it comes from the leaders of a single industry's largest companies, who are complaining about potential revenues lost rather than actual damages done. Some of this money may make it to the artists, but most will likely go to overhead costs of production and distribution and enforcement and shareholders.

      This content could not exist without the new digital technology that they say threatens it so soundly. It is exactly because copies are so easy to make and distribute that Hollywood has their panties in a bunch about piracy. Piracy is a blip. They are more worried about losing control of the channel, losing control of the audience, losing control of distribution. Instead of clinging to their buggy-whip distribution mechanisms, they should remake themselves into more modern companies utilizing the new technologies. If this were the cretaceous age, Congress would be trying to outlaw mammals because they posed a threat to the existing life forms. These companies must evolve or get out of the way for the next generation.

      I mostly wrote this as I thought it through, but I am now even more opposed to the theory and practice of this legislation than ever before. I certainly will vote against any supporter of this bill (or anyone they endorse) in upcoming elections.

      --
      He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send your fingerprints off to Washington."
  7. How about this? by karb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Software companies lose _billions_ of dollars a year to piracy. Yet none of them support legislation. They protect their profits by actively pursuing copyright violators. And they know a great deal more about technology than the MPAA does.

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    Jack Valenti and the MPAA are to technology as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone

  8. Re:Bogus Laws by Zenjive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is it that evey time someone suggests passing (or enforcing!) laws that keep corporations from raping the consumer, some bubba has to scream commie?

    You miss the point completely. When big business has free reign, consumer choice is taken away. When consumer choice is taken away, that is communism. Oh, but wait, since someone, somewhere is making buck off it, it must be good for the economy, right? WRONG!

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    A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with. - Tennessee Williams
  9. In the letters I wrote to Congress... by Howard+Roark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I discussed the idea that DRM (Digital Rights Management) imposes what I call a "technical copyright" on a protected work, that is, a copyright that never expires. This is clearly contrary to what the founding fathers meant when said "limited time" in the Constitution, it circumvents the power of Congress to control the length of copyright protection, and it does nothing to "promote progress of science and the useful arts."

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    Howard Roark, Architect
    I believe in a Man's right to exist for his own sake.
  10. Re:Not a popular comment but... by Rupert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will be illegal to sell or import a device that doesn't include DRM.
    It will be illegal to write software to bypass the built-in DRM.
    There may be a market for devices that can be hacked, but it will be a black market. And, as the Randroids are fond of pointing out, the government *can* hold a gun to your head.

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    E_NOSIG
  11. Re:Bogus Laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When consumer choice is taken away, that is communism.

    No, it isn't. When the workers, or an entity representing the workers, owns the means of production, that my friend is communism. Nothing more or less than that. It happens that in most of the regimes where this has been attempted, it's the state that has "represented" the workers, and the state has thought it most efficient to effectively abolish choice and competition. But there's no reason why it has to be that way.


    If a monopoly is in private hands, and is unaccountable to "the people" except through proactive law passing, then it's not communist. It sucks, it sucks lemons, but it's capitalist. Unfortunately, a factor of capitalism few people understand is that businesses always aim to grow, and sometimes there's nowhere to grow but in marketshare. In a pure capitalist system, monopolies are inevitable, not sudden changes to communism.


    Americans might find it easier to understand the world and what is happening to them if they take their blinkers off, and recognise that words like "communism", "liberal", "democracy", etc, are not insults, they actually mean something. And they definitely mean something more than simply "Anything we dislike we bundle under this one word."

  12. play to his emotions by numbuscus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just as any good politician does - unfortunately - you must play to the Senator's emotions - and more importantly, the emotions of his staff. He is a Democrat, but probably a pretty conservative one - coming from Florida. From my experience as a lowly intern for a senator, this is what I suggest:

    Find out more about this technical advisor. Has he/she always been 'with' the senator or did he/she come from a corporate background? Use this information to help frame your argument. For example, if the advisor has always worked for the government/senator then he/she is probably inclined to be more of the 'socially conscious' type. Using this as an aide, make the argument that this is not good policy - it is a ploy by the 'Disney' corporate culture to push off onto society the potentially high monetary and political costs of copy-protection. (I personally hate the idea of copy protection, but it is within the rights of the companies to employ this, as long as it is clearly labeled on CDs, etc. They don't want to do this because customers hate it. For this reason, they are seeking protection behind the law.)

    If the advisor and senator are somewhat more conservative - coming from a corporate background, make the argument that it is the obligation of the industry to satisfy the will of the market - not the government's obligation to alter the market for the industry. Also mention the chip industry's opposition to the idea - and the increased costs consumers will have to shoulder. It could be argued that innovation will be hindered. Would you purchase a new system if you knew a copy-protection chip were installed in it? I wouldn't.

    Finally, Florida - if I remember correctly - is still one of the states fighting M$. In this case, make it a point to bring up the subject of open-source software and how this legislation could seriously harm its development. When writing my Senators and Congressman (California, unfortunately), I made it a point to bring up the fact that my one-man-shop must run open-source software because of the cost associated with M$ products. This legislation could force me to adopt M$ platforms, decreasing my income and making it harder for me to do business.

    Hope this helps.

  13. I found an acronym to remember the sssca2 by by Odinson · · Score: 4, Funny
    It reads like a headline...

    Congress Breaks Democracy, Takes Peoples America.

  14. Things you should ask for by Mad+Bad+Rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might ask the following provisions to be
    added, since they are entirely reasonable, and
    hence likely to "poison" the bill. >:K

    1. It must be possible for ordinary end-users
    who record and produce audiovisual works on
    consumer-grade equipment (garage bands,
    amateur film-makers and animators, etc.) to
    mark /their/ works with any of the watermarks
    mandated by the security standard, so their
    content can be viewed on all compliant media
    devices that require such watermarks.

    (otherwise, the bill is essentially asking for
    "digital prior restraint" by whoever dispenses
    the watermarks, which would surely be found
    un-Constitutional by the Supreme Court).

    2. Similarly, it must be possible for ordinary
    end-users to mark the works they create with
    any of the copying control settings defined
    by the standard, so they can exercise the
    full range of control over how their works
    are copied and used.

    (i.e. it should not be any more difficult or
    expensive for ordinary end-users to mark their
    works with digital copyright info than it would
    be for RIAA or MPAA members. Otherwise, the U.S.
    wouldn't be complying with their Berne Treaty
    obligations to automatically grant and uphold
    copyright without formal action by the author.)

    3. Any software or hardware technologies which
    are mandated by the standard must be freely
    available, without any patent, licensing, or
    royalty requirements, to ensure that it is
    possible for open-source "freeware" digital
    media tools to comply with the standard.

    (In particular, since Microsoft Corporation has
    basic patents covering /any/ computer operating
    system with embedded digital-rights management,
    the U.S. Government must revoke or buy those
    patents before mandating all operating systems
    software have this function. Otherwise, they
    would be simply handing Microsoft exclusive
    control of the entire software industry!)

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    >;k
  15. This is ugly by Eric+Damron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some of the "Findings" in Senator Hollings' bill:

    (14) When protected digital content is converted to analog for consumers, it is no longer protected and is subject to conversion into unprotected digital form that can in turn be copied or redistribute illegally.

    I.E. He doesn't want you to be able to play your CD and record the analog output through the use of stereo jack cables etc.

    (15) As solution to this problem is technologically feasible but will require government action, including a mandate to ensure its swift and ubiquitous adoption.

    I.E He wants laws that will FORCE hardware makers to cripple ALL electronic components that might be used to convert and/or copy digital signals into unprotected analog signals. This would mean that you would be FORCED to pay for crippled equipment because that is all that would be available.

    (16) Unprotected digital content on the Internet is subject to significant piracy, through illegal file sharing, downloading, and redistribution over the Internet.

    He is referring to the rampant theft of intellectual property like mp3s etc.

    (17) Millions of Americans are currently downloading television programs, movies, and music on the Internet and by using "file-sharing" technology. Much of this activity is illegal, but demonstrates consumers's desire to access digital content.

    He is referring to consumers who are exercising their right of fair use but then abusing that legal right by sharing the files with others.

    Notice the use of the word "consumers" and not citizens. His interests clearly are for the corporations and not for the average American.

    (18) Piracy poses a substantial economic threat to America's content industries.

    Ditto with the corporate interest thing.

    (19) A solution to this problem is technologically feasible but will require government action, including a mandate to ensure its swift and ubiquitous adoption.

    He repeats himself. He really wants to screw with our hardware.

    (20) Providing a secure, protected environment for digital content should be accompanied by a preservation of legitimate consumer expectations reading use of digital content in the home.

    Yeah, as long as we don't expect to exercise our fair use rights.

    (21) Secure technological protections should enable owners to disseminate digital content over the Internet without frustrating consumers' legitimate expectations to use that content in a legal manner.

    This bill would be changing the definition of "a legal manner", so your current expectations are irrelevant.

    (22) Technologies used to protect digital content should facilitate legitimate home use of digital content.

    Again, the "legitimate home use of digital content" will no longer include fair use. You will have to pay for content that is streamed to your home each time you listen or view it.
    It goes on and on but I think everyone gets the idea. Pass the Vaseline and bend over.

    --
    The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
  16. Re:Bogus Laws by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
    > America needs to stop making laws supporting Big Business, and we need to start supporting the small people, Joe Shmo American.

    Depends on whose party your Senator's from.

    The first rule in making a political argument is to KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE.

    If you're writing to a Republican Congressman, the thrust of your argument against the CBDTPA is that this is a Democrat-sponsored bill to favor a niche industry ($35B revenues) and the liberal elite of Hollywood (who donate disproportionately to Democrats when it's campaign time), while destroying the much more important ($600B revenues) technology industry that drives American innovation economic growth.

    If you're writing to a Democratic Congressman, you use the other argument: CBDTPA is merely the latest way Big Business (Hollywood, MPAA, RIAA) is trouncing the rights of the Little Guy consumer (they tried to take his VCR, failed, and now are trying to take away his computer), and the independent creative community (no more independent films or indie bands when you can't do your own digital editing or burn your own CDs.)

    Incidentally, both of these arguments are true. CBDTPA is a threat to the technology industry and the independent artist alike.

    But your Congressman is very likely to have a political bias towards favoring only of these arguments (nothing wrong with that; it's his job to have a political bias on issues! That's why he got elected over the candidate from the other party!), only one of those arguments is likely to make an impression on him strong enough to influence his vote.

  17. What My Senator and Representative Had to Say by awitod · · Score: 5, Informative

    I live in Georgia so I wrote to Senators Zell Miller, Max Cleland and my local Rep. Johnny Isakson (all of you should do the same IMHO). I got replies from Cleland and Isakson. Here they are....

    Dear *****:
    Thank you for contacting me regarding S.2048, the Consumer Broadband and Digital Television Promotion Act, being introduced by Senators Hollings and Stevens.
    I certainly understand your concerns regarding copyright issues. The U. S.
    has traditionally been a strong supporter of copyright holders. As you know, the development and expansion of the Internet has created questions in some people's minds as to how to deal with copyright issues of all kinds. I believe that we can find a way to balance appropriately electronic commerce with copyright
    protection issues. Currently, the measure has been referred to the Senate Commerce Committee, of which I am a member. Please be assured that I
    will keep your concerns in mind when the Senate considers this bill.
    Again, I appreciate your taking the time to contact me. It was good to hear from you.
    Most respectfully,
    Max Cleland
    United States Senator
    _________________________________________ __

    Dear Mr. ******:

    Thank you for contacting my office regarding technology mandates. I appreciate your thoughts on this issue.

    I do not support legislation of this type for the following reasons:
    The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (DMCA) gave copyright owners the tools to stop purveyors of "piracy tools" that circumvent copyright protection technology, but it explicitly declined to specify which technologies should be used, clarifying instead that there can be no mandate for manufacturers to respond to particular technologies.
    Draft legislation supported by some companies would repudiate the DMCA's carefully struck balance by requiring the Commerce Department to
    "certify" specific copy protection technologies and outlawing all interactive digital devices (computers, digital TVs, cell phones, etc.) that do not include the certified technologies. The flaws in the discussion draft of the bill indicate the difficulties in government technology mandates for copyright protection:
    * Retards innovation by freezing today's technology in place. By picking specific technologies to mandate in every device, federal mandates virtually guarantee the inclusion of outdated technology in future digital technology products.

    * Government picks winners and losers. Even if the entertainment and technology industries agreed on a common approach, the government would
    still be picking specific copyright protection products to be included in every computer, cell phone, personal video recorder or other electronic
    device.

    * Multiple mandates mean extreme performance degradation. Scanning every datastream for numerous certified "digital watermarks" would
    significantly slow down computers, even where no protected content is involved. Audio/video capabilities would be unworkable on cell phones, PDAs and other portable devices.

    * Government (and lobbyists) as gatekeeper over new technologies. New products that didn't work with the certified copyright protection technologies would be unlawful until the government approved new copy protection. Approval would have to be gained over the lobbying of
    companies, NGOs or any others who wanted to stall the new technology.

    * Consumer backlash. Unworkable copyright mandates would cause new IT and consumer electronics products to fail in the market and cause consumers to blame technology companies and policymakers.

    * Reduced global competitiveness. IT and electronics products produced for the US market with lower performance, higher prices and burdensome restrictions would be noncompetitive in international markets where such mandates did not apply.

    * Unintended consequences. Mandates would potentially impact digital products whose uses are unrelated to the entertainment industry, such
    as measuring and testing equipment that incidentally fall under the Act, thereby needlessly increasing the cost to the consumer.

    Please feel free to visit my website at www.house.gov/isakson for more
    information on issues that may be of importance to you, as well as to sign up for my monthly email update. Thank you again for contacting me, and I hope you will not hesitate to call on me in the future if I can be of assistance to you.
    Sincerely,
    Johnny Isakson
    Member of Congress

  18. a few points you may want to consider... by Hooya · · Score: 5, Insightful
    if we agree that this bill will outlaw opensource...

    • we go back a couple of decades where computers where very propriatery and closed and affordable to few (think mainframes) effectively putting us back in the stone age of computers. effectively undoing the progress of the last few dacades in this field. The reason PCs took off was because it was made open. Anyone could implement the open design. Look at all the closed machines -- eg. mainframes, workstations... Does anyone have one at home? For their children to learn on? So that they are efficiently well versed to become the next generation to further that technology?
    • government sanctions and or sanctions imposed by the 'chosen' few mega corps will severely impede on the innovations at the grass roots level. If you look at any sort of innovation, it usually is the case that a few people - not a corporation - come out with novel ideas.
    • what we have today is a complex electronic device - only possible with open, accessible standards - that multiple entities collaborate to produce. this device is then 'purposed' for multitude of application via software. by imposing any type of restriction on this device we will be limiting its future and its use -- both present and future. Are movies and music really worth that much to protect it to such a level where something much, much bigger is sacrificed?
      • For example, think beowulf, mosix... all using Linux -- something that would be outlawed -- technologies that exist today that allow the very same entities that are trying to ban open works such as the ones mentioned to perform extreamly complex operations. Hollywood uses linux for movies. Government uses it in various labs for research. All this on commodity hardware. Opensource/GNU has made it possible for someone like me to do the same thing at home! I put a cluster together and got to learn parallel processing at home because of open systems. Propriatary systems are either too expensive and cost prohibitive or they don't exist. Taking these learning opportunity away from the masses to protect movies just doesn't seem a good value proposition to me as a consumer.
      • These technologies exist today. The reason they exist is that someone who had the vision had access to the source, the design. Had this bill been in place who know if these technologies would even exist.

    In short, PCs and computers in general are much, much, much bigger than hollywood. I don't care much for movies streamed to me on my computers if hollywood can't figure out a way to do so with a framework that has worked for everyone else. It doesn't reduce the value of computers for me. As for watching movies I can rent a tape/DVD and watch it on dedicated hardware that already has copy protection. I don't want my computer to be turned into yet another DVD-player/TV combo. I already have that. Btw, computers and the internet weren't put together after years of research for me to turn a $2500 worth of equipment (not including software prices, connection fees etc.) to a 'toaster' like device that replaces a walk to the movie rental store, a VCR and a tv. Movies are already 'streamed' to my home thru cable. What is the value added for me, the consumer to limit the use of the hardware I have paid for? Hollywood has their hardware. Millions are spent on TVs and DVD players by consumers. They have made the rules and I have subscribed to the rules of their game. I have a VCR, a DVD player and several TVs in my home -- all manufactured to the specification of hollywood. Why can't they spend more R&D dollars and create enough value in those existing 'hollywood' hardware? It's obvious that they just want to 'choke the airsupply' of any technology that poses a threat to their stronghold. If hollywood wants to play the computer 'game' -- more specifically, the PC game it can't expect to have the rules changed for them.

    Sure computers could be used to pirate. Knives can be used to kill. Hammers can be used to smash heads. Crowbars can be used to break in. Maybe we ought to start selling blunt knives, plastic hammers and well, outright ban for the Crowbar. Therefore, this bill doesn't protect the consumer or add any value whatsoever for the consumer. Sorry i rambled a little but i'm really infuriated at the short sightedness of various elected brianiacs effectively to amputate a technology much much bigger than movies and music for the sake of protecting hollywood (while there's abundence of 'hollywood hardware' that could be enhanced if hollywood was truly concerned about providing consumers more value.)

  19. Just tell them this: by Lonath · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The copyright industry is correct that it will have to control and lock down all hardware and software to control copying, but that will destroy freedom.

    Example: Let's suppose that you want to videotape your daughter at her wedding dancing with her new husband to their favorite song.

    If machines exist that can do this, then machines exist that can record sounds such as the music in the background which is on a CD and copyrighted. If you can record the video and edit it, then you can split the sound from the picture. If you can copy this sound, then you can copy copyrighted content.

    Example: Let's suppose you're reading an book on your laptop as your baby crawls around the floor. Your baby then stands up and starts taking his first steps. He walks in front of the laptop with the copyrigted e-book on it. Should you be able to grab your video camera and record him walking around?

    If you have an e-book and you can videotape it, then you can either distribute video stills or use OCR to convert it into text. Either way, if you allow people to be able to take pictures of e-books on a computer, then those e-books can be copied. The only way to stop this is to make machines that can't record when they're pointed at a screen displaying copyrighted content.

    Example: Let's suppose that you're walking around in Times Square with all of the big video screens all around you. Many of them will be displaying copyrighted content. Should you be able to videotape all of the sights in Times Square even though you're copying copyrighted content?

    If so, then you can use a camera to copy copyrighted video.

    These examples are of people living in a world of content that's constantly coming out of things they own while those people are trying to make their own stuff. If you allow people to make their own content, the same machines and technologies that they will use for themselves can be used to copy copyrighted materials. There is no way to separate these two things.

    Once these things are recorded, they will be stored in slightly different formats than the original, so you won't even be able to tell what's copyrighted and what isn't just by comparing files. The industry will be forced to control and inspect all data that goes through any network.

    So, the only way to control copyright with technology is to make it illegal for anyone to create anything in any way including using computers, cameras, and microphones.

    I wonder how the copyright industry itself will continue to make their content since they will need to have tools for recording that aren't hobbled by the laws they want to inflict on everyone else. I don't think they realize that if they make it illegal to have a machine that can send copies of DVDs over the Internet, they won't be allowed to have computers to send their DVDs over the Internet. After all, they don't own ALL of the copyrighted movies in the world, so if their servers can send MY content over the Internet without my consent, they'll have to be illegal.

    Basically, they need to have total control. They have forever to keep trying to get this total control. They will be happy with baby steps because every time they get baby steps laws passed that control things a bit more, they have moved the line of what's acceptable. Since copying cannot be stopped without total control, they can come back and ask for more measures every time the partial measures fail until they have total control.

    And, interestingly enough, they will also clamp down on the ability of anyone else to create their own content to compete with the copyright industries, but I am sure that this loss of creative potential is a regrettable but unforseen consequence of the necessity of protecting their IP.

    Except for one thing. Will clamping down on all of the kinds of recording and editing machines that people can use to record their own music and movies advance the arts, or hinder them?

    I feel that if you have an opportunity where you can use technology to allow everyone to make and distribute art cheaply, you will advance the arts more than a world where the creation and distribution channels are artificially narrowed to serve a few corporate interests. If everyone has the chance to create and to share then arts will be advanced more than if things are controlled by a few.

    Since the only way to control copyright is to shut off the creative paths that would have been available to billions to keep thousands employed, I say these kinds of laws protect copyright at the expense of freedom. Since the only reason copyright exists is to advance the arts, and since a law like this will stifle the arts, a law like this cannot be constitutional.

    Not only will a law like this stifle:

    1. Progress of the Arts. Since it would have been possible to have a robust society where the ability to create and distribute art is available ot everyone, stopping that robust artistic society from forming will hinder Progress of the Arts, which is antithetical to the entire reason that copyright exists.
    2. The First Amendment, not only fair use, but through limiting how people can express themselves and share those expressions because machines that would facilitate the use of these rights will be destroyed and hindered. If it was ok for the government to hinder technology to keep people from expressing themselves, then they could have said that you cannot have free speech on the radio or a record or a television broadcast. Since the rights of free speect and the press extend to new technologies, removing the technologies that already exist will abridge free speech and freedom of the press.
    3. The Third Amendment right to not have soldiers (or watchers or sentinels) of the government quartered in your house in peacetime. Government-mandated electronic monitors on your house and property are tantamount to forcing people to have government agents in their house at all times.

    4. The Fourth Amendment Right to privacy since they will have to inspect and approve all transmissions you make (since you can split a large piece of content into smaller pieces) and you will not be able to encrypt anything (even if it's for legitimate privacy reasons) or else they won't be able to tell what's in them.
    5. The Fifth Amendment right to use your property since they will have to neuter any and all recording devices so that they don't work within range of content being spewed out. Since that's just about everywhere, the government will be taking away your ability to even use your video cameras and recording equipment. Older recording equipment will have to be confiscated, and since it will be extremely valuable after the laws like this pass, the government will never pay the true worth of the devices it's Taking.
    6. The Sixth Amendment right to a trial for your crimes. The assumption with this law is that we are all criminals. If they want to accuse us of crimes of copying, then get us arrested and send everyone to jail, but don't pass laws that hinder progress in other areas by assuming that everyone's a criminal.
    7. Your Eighth Amendment right to avoid cruel and unusual punishment. Hooking an unprotected computer up to a network or changing a bit in a file on your computer would be punishable by fines and jail time comparable to those for killing someone. There is no way that copying bits can ever be comparable to killing someone.
    8. The Fourteenth Amendment right to equal protection under the law. Since the copyright industry will need and use the very tools that they will throw other people in jail for having, they are setting themselves up as a protected class that lies outside the law. Everyone owns some copyright. I own copyright because I have written this comment, so whatever the "copyright owners" get, I deserve, and I expect. Anything other than that, and they are treating me as a second-class citizen, and I won't accept that.


  20. Re:Bogus Laws by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    And I strongly disagree that in a pure capitalist system monopolies are inevitable. In fact, I'd suspect that without so much market interference by government (for instance this stupid law being proposed), we'd see *less* monopoly.
    At the end of the 19th Century, US government involvement in private businesses was close to non-existant. The only exception I can think of was the railway system, where by necessity competition couldn't exist so the system was regulated, and then with a relatively limp hand.

    Did monopolies exist then? Erm, yes. Indeed, it was the antics of one such monopoly, Standard Oil, that brought about the current anti-monopoly legislation we know and love. Monopolies existed not merely in the regulated field of railway transportation, but in unregulated enterprises from steel, coal, oil and even tobacco.

    The most famous monopoly in the US at the moment is in the software industry, where Microsoft rules the roost. Has there been excess governmental involvement in the software industry? Actually, there's been pretty close to no involvement by the US government in the software industry. Microsoft has even used existing copyright law lightly, constitutionally granted and would be just as strong for their purposes if it were the founding fathers "20-40 years" system, eschewing it except where absolutely necessary for standard civil contract law instead.

    Other monopolies exist, and exist with US government involvement, but nothing as strong and damaging as Microsoft's. And the US government has intervened in some cases to prevent monopolies in the PC industry too in other areas, such as IBM's control over hardware, and Intel's control over the processor market.

    Which is why so much emotional capital is being invested by the pseudo-libertarians to claim that Microsoft is not a monopoly. It disproves the theory that only the state can create 'em, and that's a theory that only exists because certain industries, starting with the railways and moving on through electricity supply and telephone service, were state regulated monopolies. Why were they? Because they had to be.

    There's a reason why those anti-monopoly laws came into being. They weren't to annoy libertarians, they weren't to increase the power of big gubmint. They're there because at one point in US history, almost every industry was consolidating into a centrally controlled, unregulated, unaccountable, bloc.

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  21. Let's reduce copyright duration. by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in the late 1700s when society moved and changed much slower than it did today, copyrights were granted for 15 years. Today, with lightspeed communication and accelerating rate of change, copyrights are granted for 75 years. Long copyrights are the antithesis of change. Copyrights should last no longer than 5 years.