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Bertelsman Seeks to Buy Napster

jbc writes: "SF Gate is one of several places carrying the story that Bertelsman, which already invested a significant amount of money in Napster, is now looking to buy Napster outright. This is based on an interview with Bertelsman CEO Thomas Middelhoff that was published last week in the German newspaper Die Welt."

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  1. Re:Napster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What is left to buy if the userbase has left?

    the brand name. geeks may have long since forgotten about napster, but there are plenty of middle-aged pc-literate consumers who haven't.

  2. 15 million dollars? by Kircle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Kind of interesting that Napster can now be bought for just 15 million dollars (or 80 + 15 million what have you). Compare that to them offering to pay the music industry a billion dollars just a short while ago, this pretty much says it. Naspster is dead.

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  3. The only way by Atrus5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only way napster could get people to pay for a service provided freely by others is to make a vast improvement. Looking at what they have now, they offer no new features over Gnutella clients, except perhaps chatting and "paying the artists" which isn't enough to make most people pay for it. The only reason to use it is to clear your conscience. Just buying the cd (used, possibly) is cheaper for that.

  4. Re:buying somthing that no one uses eh? by Kircle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think they're buying the brand name, and not so much the actual service. Think about it. In the future when they tell everyone that Napster is back online, pretty much everyone will check it out, just because it's Napster regardless of what form it's in.

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  5. Does it really matter? by hosebee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many adults like myself take a civil disobedience type approach to music sharing. I buy as many CDs (if not more) than I used to, but I unabashedly use these services to make sure those CDs I buy are going to be worth it. People that fall more or less in this category (I think) are waiting for a good digital music policy from the major labels(although there seems to be no light at the end of this tunnel).

    However, as I've seen with my little sister and her friends (and others of the pre-teen to teen age group), they have "grown up" on free music whenever they want it, so "why buy the CD?". At this young age, none of them had given any thought (nor had I at that age) to Intellectual Property and the other issues regularly discussed in the heyday of Napster.

    It is the difference between "The artist certainly has rights, but the industry is subverting the process to their substantial benefit, and this must be altered." and "Hey, we have a right to free music, how dare you take it away?"

    And obviously, this demographic is too large to ignore.

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    1. Re:Does it really matter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Two thoughts...

      1. They need to make the music easier to buy that to steal.

      2. They need to make the music affordable to the demographic that is stealing it. This may imply that costs are offset by higher prices for music in other demographics.

    2. Re:Does it really matter? by Crag · · Score: 3, Insightful
      However, as I've seen with my little sister and her friends (and others of the pre-teen to teen age group), they have "grown up" on free music whenever they want it, so "why buy the CD?". At this young age, none of them had given any thought (nor had I at that age) to Intellectual Property and the other issues regularly discussed in the heyday of Napster.

      I hope anyone who buys anything from me does so because they feel what I offer has value and they wish to cooperate with me by exchanging some money for some goods or services. I'd be sickened if I thought I was only paid because people thought they had to pay me.

      I don't think trade is something we learn by experience, but rather it's something which springs up naturally from a feeling of respect.

      On the other hand, intellectual property is a very strange concept indeed, and I will probably release all of my intellectual or artistic creations as public domain. The amount of work I put into them doesn't change with their popularity. Their value to others may be greater, and I would accept any compensation offered, but once the information is released, it has a life of its own.

    3. Re:Does it really matter? by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not *JUST* music, or software, or movies or anything else for that matter. What you're seeing is the results of society wide elimination of any sort of honor system. Take a peek at this (cnn). A lack of honor is running through our whole society. Unfortunantly, most people just don't (or won't) recognize that. It's all related folks. Kids cheat on tests and steal music and software. The RIAA uses it's power to try and lock competitors out of the game. A certain software company releases substandard software in order to maintain their marketshare and gain an advantage in unrelated fields. Companies and stock brokerships lie and cheat to make a few bucks. Politicians say anything and do anything in order to get elected. You know..people complain about how our youth (and I'm one of them for the most part..) have a complete lack of morality when it comes to IP...the business and political (hell even the religious world) isn't exactly making such a good example of things. What's especially galling in this case is the actions of the RIAA. They lie, cheat and steal in order to lock up the marketplace from true competition, and abuse the artists. All of a sudden they complain when kids are lying and stealing from them. Bunch of hypocrites.

  6. Bertelsman bought and closed myplay by PhrackCreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bertelsman bought myplay on May 30th, 2001. Fast forward to early 2002, Bertelsman closed myplay's offices, laying off all but a couple of engineers in charge of wharehousing the software.

    Is this some new tactic to buy and close music software companies?

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  7. Filesharing clients... by fruey · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...are only as good as the number of users they have. Napster sucked, but everyone had it, so it sucked a little less.

    <state the obvious> Napster is not the phenomenon, filesharing is. </state the obvious>

    However, that they are ready to pay between $15 and $30 million USD makes me wish I had written a peer-to-peer with central DB software client. Yikes.

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  8. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Can we please get a "Napster" topic here so that I can filter it from the slashdot homepage?

    I mean really...

  9. Divide and Conquer by thelizman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, first the music industry (BMG included) pummels Napster into oblivion with lawsuits, then once the company has had enough injunctions to keep it from operating at a profit, and once their stock is on the verge of being downgraded to junk status, they buy them up.

    Isn't there a law against that already?

  10. Re:Damn ... whoda thought by doug_wyatt · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Doubt Fanning (the younger) got much of anything out of this one. I suspect that more than $15 was dumped into Napster through VC and angel investment, and most likely, much, if not all, of it is going to be skimmed off the top by preferred stock holders before it gets to the common stock holders like Shawn. Added to that, I doubt he has a significant slice of the pie, so whatever crumbs _are_ left, won't amount to much.

    This, for a company that at one point in time was one of the hottest things on the Net.

    Nope, I'm sure he has some regrets...

  11. Re:Sure, go ahead... by j-turkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FWIW, there still is some brand equity left in the Napster name...weather or not the service sucks is not the question (we already know this much). Maybe its not an entirely stupid purchase.

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  12. How does it really matter... by HiThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem of the day is the decentralization of power. Groups like the RIAA, and individuals like Senator Hollings have caused this to be be problem of the day (for us, at least ... there are others with much more urgent problems, but we are us).

    I would be quite pleased if I saw a decent way to implement the decentralization of authority. Since I don't, I look at every social challenge to centralized authority as a possible good thing. The RIAA is going for maximal visciousness and to hell with the bystanders anyway, so there is no reason to consider how they feel about things. Therefore, the question to me becomes:

    How can the musicians be supported without simultaneously supporting the RIAA?

    This doesn't mean how can I as an individual support some particular musicians. I could clearly send them a check. It's how can we structure social interactions so that musicians are supported, and the RIAA is not. The clear and obvious answer "Support you local musicians .. buy direct!" works, but the number of such is quite limited. Direct purchase of music over the internet? Possible. CDs seems a more likely format than MP3s, if only for quality reasons.

    There exist problems here. Musicians are frequently coerced into signing exclusive agreements. Etc. So maximally popular groups will tend to be those that have the most advertising dollars spent on them. But this doesn't equate with the maximally talented groups. Perhaps groups that aren't picked as "STARS!!" could sell CDs directly on the web (from their home page) with the MP3s being used as cheap advertising? It might work.

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