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Minnesota Bill Would Prevent Disclosure of Web Habits

jweb writes: "The Minneapolis Star Tribune is running an article about a bill in the Minnesota legislature that would make it illegal for an ISP to disclose personal information about websites that its customers visit. According to the article, this bill has passed both houses of the legislature, with one key difference: the House version requires customers to 'opt-out' of this information-sharing, but the Senate version would be 'opt-in', requiring the customer to specifically state that they would like their personal information made available. Not suprisingly, AOL and Yahoo are lobbying against it."

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  1. How will they enforce it? by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Minnesota, eh? I can just see it now...

    "Failure to comply with the terms of this legislation will result in you being thrown over the ropes and body-slammed into the announcer's desk."

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  2. Yahoo! by sfrenchie · · Score: 4, Funny

    No doubt Yahoo! is lobying to get a "force re-opt-out" option in the House version. This "force re-opt-out" clause would allow ISPs to switch all of their customers to having "opted-in" every 30 days! Yahoo!

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  3. YOUR FAULT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're tracking you, they can track you. Use peer to peer anonymizer tools like peekabooty.

    I've said it before, and I'll said it agai:

    WE NEED TO USE ENCRYPTION MORE.

    there.

    We all talk about using encryption, but how many of our emails are actually encrypted. We need to start encrypting regular email. Now, if you encrypt email.. it looks suspicious. Now, when you browse anonymously, it looks suspicious.
    Soon privacy will be suspicious.
    Don't believe me? Watch.

    If you dont defend it the fourth amendment will be a forgotten and irrelevant.

  4. I don't understand this privacy thing fully... by kenthorvath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm interested in people's opinions. What is so terrible about directed marketing (NOT SPAM), but advertising targeted at a particular group of people? If no names are exchanged and there is no government conspiracy, is there really an issue? It would seem that targetted ads are more effective, thereby being less intruisive (they show you things that you actually care about), and reduce the need for more invasive methods of advertising which is like shooting in the dark. I agree, I don't want my porno preferences and sleeping arrangements sent to Big Biz, but is there actually harm in letting a little bit of information out? Just wondering....

    1. Re:I don't understand this privacy thing fully... by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
      > I agree, I don't want my porno preferences and sleeping arrangements sent to Big Biz, but is there actually harm in letting a little bit of information out? Just wondering....

      You've just made your own counterargument.

      Information wants to be free. Computers are devices that are designed to replicate and transmit information. Once a copy of the information exists, it can be replicated indefinitely and passed on from person to person.

      As a practical matter, there's no such thing as "letting a little bit of information out". It's like being a little bit pregnant.

      You can give information to groups you trust not to abuse it, but as soon as you make a mistake, you're fscked.

      I choose to give some personal information to Slashdot to set up an account because I trust them to keep it reasonably secure, and to inform me when they're 0wned :)

      Likewise, I choose to deny - to the extent that I'm capable - giving information to Doubleclick, Microsoft Passport, and basically anything else with a TrustE seal on it, because the only thing I trust such groups to do with that information is sell it to anyone who wants it.

    2. Re:I don't understand this privacy thing fully... by cabbey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      picture this...

      (location is an ISP call center, a phone rings)

      ISP phone droid #729: (picks up phone) Hello, this is $ISP, how may we make your ride on the information super highway smoother?

      caller: I'd like to purchase a list of your users that visit sights like mine for marketing purposes.

      phone droid: let me transfer you to marketing.

      (cut to plush office, with a sleazball in a suit... plaque on wall reads "salesman of the year 1999")

      marketing guy: Why yes Mr. Smith, we can do that. Simply provide us a list of domain names, and we can start send you a list of all $ISP customers that visited that site in the past month ... oh, you want (with emphasis) deep data retreval? ... (eyes spin and green dollar signs come up) Yes we can go back that far. (cha-ching sound)

      (cut to small office, large crucifix hanging on wall behind man on phone)

      man: Yes, that's the end of my list of domains. Uh-huh... yeah... ok I'll be looking forward to it in my inbox, and the check is on it's way. ... You too, thanks. (hangs up phone, turns to hand a slip of paper to someone off camera, revealing a cleric's collar) Sister Doris, would you issue a check to these folks from the Church's "alternate evangelism" fund please, and what is the next ISP in the yellow pages?

      (cut to another view of the same man in the same office, latter that week, working at a computer, removes floppy from diskette drive and turns to hand it to a woman at a smaller desk in the corner)

      man: Sister Martha, would you cross reference this list of email addresses against the church's roster, anyone that appears on both lists, please send them a tithe reminder, jot a note suggesting they meet with me after services on the back. Give the ones that don't match to brother Bruce as potential new members of the One True Way World Church, for his email campaign to save the lost souls.

      (fade to black, ominous music playing.)

      Think it won't happen?

      Think that's air you're breathing?

  5. Opt In w/Rewards by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would like to see a system where one must opt in and the companies who sell your information must compensate you to some extent.

    Maybe someone could put together a group to protect surfers (SIAA) and they could set up some kind of payment plan for companies who use personal information.

    And that information could be in a propietary format that expires in a set amount of time.

    I envision a grand future of riches for all surfers. (And SIAA lawyers)

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  6. Online Life by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is actually a "GOOD THING" (tm), I'm rather impressed someone in local Government understands that people are moving parts of their lives online. There needs to be some basic protection from companies to mine this data.

    Just think of some of the areas, support groups for rape, drug use, violence, addictions, cancer, etc... Discussion groups, political, sex, food, hobbies, art, cars, investing, etc..

    These laws act like a catalyst. If we make opt-in mandatory, we can push other areas to require opt-in methods. Opt-out is a scam that big companies like AOL and Yahoo love. It takes a couple weeks for your Opt-out to register, while your data is already sold.

    Its bad enough, you can pull most of a persons life from DMV and Credit reports, do we need a persons intimate personal life also?
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  7. Re:What the. . . by Publicus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in Minnesota, and the difference between the House and the Senate on this one is not surprising. The House is Republican controlled, and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats. What gets passed on the floor of the House and on the floor of the Senate means nothing, all of that is just posturing for campaigning. The Republicans don't want to seem anti-business or pro big-government. What really counts is the conference committees that are happening right now. It is there where the bills' differences are ironed out to be passed on to the Governor for his body slam, er signature.

    I shouldn't say the full sessions are worthless. Basically, if something isn't in the House or Senate of a bill, it's not going to appear in conference committee. Usually though, the two sides, behind close doors, make decisions that are much more moderate than their respective party caucuses would like to think. In this case, I would think the opt-in strategy will win. It will be interesting to see though, and I'm glad I live in Minnesota on this one, because I know my Governor is going to sign this one!

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  8. Re:What about the law? by CaseStudy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The government can require them to keep track of the information as part of an investigation. But they need a warrant, court order or subpoena to ask for it. (Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, 18 USC 2701 et seq.)

    The big problem is that the ECPA specifically allows electronic communications services to give this information to non-government entities without the subscriber's permission. Eliminating that provision on the federal level (making it illegal to give out that information absent either the subscriber's permission or a subpoena/court order) would be easily done and give a heck of a lot more privacy to users.