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Deutsche Bahn to Sue Google

Posted by timothy on from the but-not-in-the-u.s. dept.

Many readers including this Anonymous Coward have written about this case: "After the DB-Deutsche Bahn (German railway comp.) won a case against Dutch ISP xs4all to remove 2 articles that were hosted on one of their servers, the DB now is going to sue Google (Wednesday) and probably in 2 days time Yahoo! and Altavista. Infoworld has an article about it. More background information about previous attempts to censor the same site can be found here and here's list of mirrors." And Yes, "Access is Forbidden."

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  1. Google Cache of Broken Link by DtMM · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's Google's cache of the broken link.

  2. Not the cache. by perlyking · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just to clarify its not just the cache, its actually the links and its not to their site but articles that detail how to cut power on parts of the railway system.
    Its not *their* site they want removing.

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    no sig.
  3. From someone intimately involved.. by Sapphon · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone who works for a major German telecommunications company, I was directly involved in this, in that my office was responsible for giving the DB a 'heads up' about the site (whether or not we found it I'm not sure).
    I was asked to take a look at the portion of the site relating to my companies products (which was a guide on how to sabotage them to disrupt train services), and essentially the most elegant intructions given were "Pry the cover off, bash the insides to pieces with a rock, and/or fill it up with dirt/glue/etc".

    This was only a few weeks ago too, and this is the first I've heard of any action the DB has taken, but I am quite impressed at the speed at which this has progressed.

    (Details have been left vague to give me some semblance of anonyminity, protect my job, etc)

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  4. free speech is in the german consitution by tempmpi · · Score: 4, Informative
    Art. 5
    (1) Jeder hat das Recht, seine Meinung in Wort, Schrift und Bild frei zu äußern und zu verbreiten und sich aus allgemein zugänglichen Quellen ungehindert zu unterrichten. Die Pressefreiheit und die Freiheit der Berichterstattung durch Rundfunk und Film werden gewährleistet. Eine Zensur findet nicht statt.

    (1) Everyone has the right freely to express and to disseminate his opinion by speech, writing and pictures and freely to inform himself from generally accessible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of reporting by radio and motion pictures are guaranteed. There shall be no censorship.
    (2) Diese Rechte finden ihre Schranken in den Vorschriften der allgemeinen Gesetze, den gesetzlichen Bestimmungen zum Schutze der Jugend und in dem Recht der persönlichen Ehre.

    (2) These rights are limited by the provisions of the general laws, the provisions of law for the protection of youth and by the right to inviolability of personal honor.
    Translation from: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/eurodocs/germ/ggeng.ht ml
    Why the freespeech in germany isn't as free as in the USA is because of the second part. Most of the restrictions of the free speech are because the content of the speech is against the constiution.
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  5. *sigh* .. not the wrong "Fire" in theater argument by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

    > but there have always been some things you couldn't do. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is the classic example.

    That is a fallacious argument. You might want to read this to see why.

    http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:www.fatalblin dness.com/FREEDOM990628.htm