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Non x-86/Mac-PPC Workstations?
Aknaton asks: "As I begin to plan for my annual fall purchase of new hardware, I would like to try something different. I have already owned several PPC Macs running MacOS X and many PCs but they still leave me wanting more. I have begun looking for non-Apple/X86 alternatives but I am not finding much. SGI still makes machines but they don't even list prices. Sun offers the SunBlade 100, for just under a grand and it is a consideration. Can anyone else suggest, or know of, any other options? Or is it just a PC world after all?"
Sure, you can get MIPS, SPARC, Alpha, PowerPC, StrongARM, or something even more esoteric, but what's the point? You'll end up running the same code, just compiled to a different processor. Despite the technical shortcomings of the X86, the processor can still run anything you can compile. Sure there are annoying BIOS issues. But when you come down to running real code, even most of the kernel code, it doesn't matter one bit what processor you have.
The new Amiga One hardware. This is was the subject of a previous article. Outside of the CPU, it looks to take pretty much standard PeeCee hardware, but it's PPC based and it runs Linux right now...it will run AmigaOS once the nextgen OS is completed.
What leaves you wanting? The OS choices? The processor architectures? Gui's available? Ability to talk to the BIOS via serial console? The coolness factor (hey, look at me, I run an AS/400 in my basement!)...
Do you just want to be different?
It's impossible to even begin answering your question without knowing why you're dissatisfied with x86/PPC...
I'm writing this from a Mac running OS X, which is sitting next to my OS 9 box for photoshop, which is next to my 2 x86 linux boxes for playing quake. My home directory is shared to all via NFS from my x86 freebsd box, which sits on the rack next to an *old* HP-PA box running HP-UX since that's what we run at work, and 2 sparcs running Solaris serving up web pages for no reason other than that Solaris is kewl. Any one of these can do pretty much everything any of the others can do (except for the HP. 80Mhz PA-Risc just don't cut it...)
Now what, exactly, did you want your workstation to do that it doesn't do now?
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So....you're looking to buy hardware for which you have no need or use, but you're concerned about the price?
My suggestion is to browse the vintage computer auctions at eBay. You'll get the same amount of value for it, and it'll be a lot cheaper.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
But my 6-year old son hogs it all the time to play Doom. =]
I don't know if I'd recommend it for a general workstation. I'm running IRIX 6.5.15, and it's as ugly as ever. Haven't loaded up gnome yet.
It all comes down to application support. If you're just wanting to run normal desktop stuff, forget it. Stick to x86 or Mac. But if it's just out of curiosity and a desire to learn, hit eBay and get yourself a variety. I've got VAXstations, an AlphaStation, a couple of SPARCstations, a NeXTstation, and the SGI. Not to mention the bigger stuff.. a couple of MicroVAXen and a VAX 6000-510. In all, I've spent maybe $1000 on odd hardware, and most of that was for the Alpha and the SGI. The rest were free or under $100. Ok, the VAX wound up costing me a bit for truck rental and medical bills after hauling around 80-pound hard drives, but it was still under $100. And the former owner bought me dinner for hauling it away.
the Ultra 2s rather suck
Why? They are really well engineered and are solid workhorses. They really aren't expensive, either (unless you buy directly from Sun). Also, an Ultra 2 is a much better workstation than an Ultra 5 or 10, unless you really need a PCI bus.
An Ultra 60, while sounding considerably more impressive than the modest 10, isn't worth much more than a 10 unless it has either the Elite 3D graphics card or dual processors
Ultra 60s come with dual-channel UltraSCSI controllers, 4MB cache per CPU, and dual UPA framebuffer slots. Ultra 10s have IDE disks and 2MB cache per CPU. The Ultra 60 also has the CPUs mounted on their own daughter cards, which makes it considerably more flexible than the Ultra 10. They really are different beasts.
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Used SGI systems are still fantastic computers, and they're amazingly cheap due to the sad decline of the company. I have an Indigo2 R10000 system that I bought about six months ago for $400 (not including monitor since I already had a SGI monitor). Now you can get an Octane for less then $1,000.
:-).
SGI's main distinction aside from cool case designs is Irix, their Unix-based OS. And the main advantage of Irix is that the user interface is still superior to anything else out there, with the possible exception of Apple. Sun's efforts in this direction were so anemic that they are now switching to Gnome, the same design you'll see under Linux.
The biggest disadvantage is that you have to beg, borrow or steal the C compiler, which is not free. I've found that most resellers will sneak it on for you if you ask them nicely enough.
If you don't want to do that, you have to install GCC, which can be an amazing pain.
My Indigo2 is solid as a rock and hasn't given me a minute of trouble since I bought it. Very cool.
Greg Douglas of Reputable.com is a great guy, or you can cheap out with eBay.
This all being said, the Mac running MacOS X is such a compelling option nowadays that it's difficult to ignore. If you want a system you can run Photoshop on AND use as a Unix box, MacOS X is what you really need.
I run both MacOS X and SGI and love them for what I need them for. Certainly I greatly prefer either to Linux, ans as for Windows, well, let's not go there
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