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Vint Cerf: 'The Internet Is For Everyone'

Joel Rowbottom writes "Vint Cerf has written a damn fine RFC (3271), entitled 'The Internet Is For Everyone'. It's a good, well-balanced document which details the 'Internet Society's ideology' about the growth of the 'Net, where we can go now, and where we might be in some years' time. Worth a read."

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  1. I don't know which internet he uses... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Funny

    But dammit, I wish it were the same one as mine!

  2. Slashdotted by AirLace · · Score: 5, Informative

    The official RFC3271 page at the IETF is http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3271.txt?number=3271.

  3. 1000 million? by Kythorn · · Score: 4, Funny

    1000 million? Is he waiting for 1024 million to call it a billion?

    1. Re:1000 million? by Dredd13 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because .US definition of "billion" and .UK definition of "billion" are not the same. When clarity is key (as it would be in an RFC) ambiguous words like "Billion" get laid by the wayside.

  4. Hmm. by Zigg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Noble sentiment, but Mr. Cerf is misguided if he thinks "the Internet for everyone" is going to be accomplished through unquestioning support of the ICANN cabal and the establishment of universal laws to "protect" intellectual property. Both of these seem to be to be a way to destroy, rather than build, the Internet.

    Now, if we could replace ICANN with something a good bit more democratic, and put in some globally recognized laws to protect us from IP law's reach, then maybe we'll get somewhere.

  5. SpringTime by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Funny
    [noting the lack of comments}

    Look! It's sunny out! It's warm outside!

    I bet a lot of geeks are heading out into the Big Blue Room to enjoy the enhanced weather that is out there on the East coast right now.

    --
    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
  6. Free as in Speech by Thenomain · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure I agree with the gushing optimism of this guy. For instance, from the article:

    The Internet is proving to be one of the most powerful amplifiers of speech ever invented.

    While fundamentally, this is a good thing, it decreases the signal-to-noise ratio and makes it a) easier to hear only what you want and b) harder to find even that. This seems to imply that giving everyone in the world a bullhorn (and keep them from getting shot) is, in itself, a good thing.

    And then we turn around and complain about child porn and hate-groups on the internet. It's part of the same thing. I'm just leery of the positive-only spin this article has.

    Similarly: The Internet is becoming the repository of all we have accomplished as a society. ... But no mention on having to work through the garbage. While I have confidence that societies will eventually pick the most accurate history, I can't imagine it would be easy.

    I in no way think the article is wrong (I don't), just misleadingly in its enthusiasm.

    -Thenomain (NMI)

    --
    This now concludes our broadcast day.
  7. Users as consumers? by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Vint Cerf seems to view users mainly as consumers. He doesn't even mention the danger of proprietary protocols, trade secrets and patents, and the domination of big media conglomerates, which has already started to divide the Internet in the content-producing Rich and the content-consuming Poor.

    It's unfortunate that the days of the beginning Internet mass media, on which everyone could publish more or less equally, rapidly become history, and nobody seems to regret it.

    1. Re:Users as consumers? by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't self-defense, but self-delusion. Slashdot and Sourceforge have already become part of the corporate Internet. In fact, Slashdot is a fine example for the content-dividing effect of the Internet: The Internet is now so large that you cannot pay the bandwidth for a successful site.

      If you'd chosen Usenet or some of the IRC networks as examples, I would have agreed. Centrally administered services can hardly keep the spirit of the earlier days, but truely distributed services can do, if they supported by many companies and individuals, not only by providing content, but also by offering infrastructure.

  8. Internet for the wealthy, by the rest of us ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful



    Things always go this way - the people built stuffs, useful stuffs, and then the wealthy and powerful will come and take it away.

    Internet is just the latest "useful stuff" about to be taken away from us.

    Who's the "wealthy and powerful" in this case ?

    Ask Hollywood.

    Ask Disney's Eisner.

    And ask that "Mickey Mouse Senator".

    With all the existing and upcoming draconian laws, the Net will be taken away from us.

    Not just copyright. Not just royalties.

    The Net is what they are after.

    We, the Netizens, are "out of control", so they are here to "provide law and order".

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
  9. The Internet is NOT for Everyone. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 5, Interesting



    Since it's an RFC, here's my C..

    The Internet should not be "for everyone", much the same way as driving a car should not be legal for everyone.

    Having been a SysAdmin for a number of years, I can tell you that the vast majority of Internet users are law-obiding, decent and considerate people. Then, of course, you have the 1% who want to take such a wonderful gift, and abuse it. They will abuse it for their own personal or financial game, or simply because they get off on making someone else on the other end of their "attack" miserable.

    I propose that people should be required to carry a Computer License, which proves they are capable of using the Internet responsibly, in much the same way as you're required to carry a Drivers License to prove you know how to use a car responsibly.

    To the vast majority of us, its no big deal. Having a Computer License is no more a threat to one's personal freedoms and rights to privacy as carrying a Drivers License is. For people who have demonstrated a clear-cut lack of understanding of the fundemental governing principles of behavior and usage, their license should be revoked, just as it is for people who have demonstrated a lack of understanding for the basic principles of behavior and usage for a car. While I wouldn't impose fines, and I would not create a police force to apply the law, I would leave it up to the individual ISP to decide how to best apply this for his or her system.

    Its only after we do something like I've just described that the net can be cleaned up, and relatively free of abuse, garbage, and other miscellaneous mindbarf.

    Cheers,

    --
    Bowie J. Poag

  10. Yes. Most users *are* consumers. by Bookwyrm · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Distributed services tend to take a hit in efficiency in terms of cost/resources than centralized services, though the service may be better -- centralized services tend to be able to take advantage of efficiencies of scale and mass production. Unless you can convince every one that it is worth paying more for the best and not just 'good enough' for them, centralized services will be out there if not the norm. The better solution is to find ways to allow for both centralized, decentralized, and hybrid systems to coexist politely. (i.e. both Wal-Mart and the mom-and-pop store.)

    I am incredibly tired of hearing people constantly spout off how everything would be so much better if service ABC was distributed. It is such a consistant refrain of:

    We should replace the centralized service-name with a distributed model, so that everyone can do their own service-name for themselves. By developing the right technologies to make service-tools available for everyone, we can all benefit. If everyone had access to service-tools and could do their own service-name, then innovation can flourish as everyone becomes part-time service-person and might develop new and exciting uses in service-name.

    If you stand in front of a bunch of (service-person = ) programmers, and say replace service-name with 'network services' and service-tools with 'computers', then everyone cheers. However, if do substitutions like service-name = "grocery stores/food distribution and production", service-people = "farmers", and service-tools = "farming tools and overalls", people start hemming and hawing -- unless, perhaps, you proposed that in front of a bunch of farmers. Or "sewage services", "sanitation engineers", and "septic tanks." -- unless when proposed in front of bunch of sanitation engineers.

    Chaos/freedom yields innovation, but order/discipline yields production. Between the two is a varying place where the efficiency of the resources consumed verses the quality/quantity of what is produced is maximized. People may want the best in everything, but they cannot afford it -- people will pay for the best priced "good enough" -- this does not necesarily drive an improvement in quality, only efficiency. There's a reason why people don't grow their own food, manage their own waste, generate their own electricity, perform their own appendectomies, purify their own water, build their own homes, mine their own ores to hand-forge the nails they need to hammer together the boards they cut from the trees they felled to build their own home, etc. Doing it all yourself might, eventually with practice, yield far superior and customized services/products (from your own point of view), but it requires more effort.

    Some people choose to put forth that effort, but equally important is to able to choose not to and buy services from some one else so that a person might focus their energies on their endeavor of choice and excell within that field, not spreading their energies around just to survive.

    It is a good thing that if a person wanted to, they could grow their own food, make their own clothing, do everything for themselves -- they may come up with something interesting, after all, and they should be free to. It is also a good thing that if a person wants to buy services from other entities, even (gasp) from a centralized service so that the person may focus on their chosen endeavor -- one rather suspects Stephen Hawking would be hard pressed to grow his own food (without the purchase of considerable automation, at least.) People need to have the opportunity to choose what they want to buy and what they want to do themselves.

    It's a bit of a rant, perhaps, but I just disgustedly tired by those who froth at the mouth about how centralized services are bad... while drinking coffee at Starbucks. When they are wearing/using products made in sweatshops in foreign countries while spouting off how "everyone should do their own network services for themselves because centralized service models suck", it's just adding insult to hypocrisy.

    Centralized services are not inherently bad, nor distributed services inherently good. They are just models -- only when you map the model to an actual system or process and establish criteria for measuring performance can you then make a judgement on bad verses good. What is good is being allowed to make that decision for one's self and choose the model one wants to use -- no system should be entirely one or the other.

    (And as far as not being able to pay for the bandwidth to run a successful site, that's why the Internet needs to go to a pay-to-play model where the people browsing should pay for the bandwith. Then no site is 'penalized' for success.)