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Tech Support Getting Even Worse

ehiris writes: "Came across an article on CNN about tech support falling out of the useful category. The interesting quote: 'In part, the problem can be blamed on tech companies' attempts to cope with shrinking profit margins and a bad business environment.' Bad tech support makes life hard and new technology becomes undesirable to the general public. Which company has the best support? What are they doing well? What would you like to see improve about tech support?"

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  1. It's because solving technical problems is hard by Otto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They make a good point in that article. If you know your stuff, you ain't gonna be working on phone tech support. Quite often, the guy on the other end of the phone knows no more (usually less) than you do about the product. They have a wide selection of resources on the product that might help though.

    Putting those resources online to let you solve your own problems really is the better solution.

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    - Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
  2. Marketing Eats Support by Artagel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All of these companies have lots of money to trumpet their products. They roll out new ones every few months, and spend a lot of money to keep them rolling.

    I remember when I used to buy computers from DEC in the mid-80s. You would get a genuinely impressive series of well-indexed and comprehensive manuals. When you couldn't find the answer there, you could call technical support and talk to a technically capable person. If that person could not help you, they would put you through to an engineer.

    I also remember the first day that I got put through to a clueless, script reading, customer support representative at some anonymous call center when I called DEC. After that, I bought PC clones from Gateway or PCs Unlimited (eventually Dell). The only point of ponying up the big bucks was for the extensive documentation and support.

    DEC tried to become a different company via changed marketing and survive. It died. You cannot abandon your customers and survive.

  3. Re:As they say by Knobby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those who can't, teach

    As a university professor, I can assure you that there are a large number of folks in academia who could, but prefer the freedom of not having to. Personally, I'm pretty happy about being able to get up at 9am, go for a nice long bike ride, take a shower, wander in to the office, work on a grant proposal for the afternoon, kick around a few ideas with my graduate students, lecture, and then wrap up the day with a glass of wine and a few eager to please co-eds. How can you beat a life like that?.. Did I forget to mention that consulting gigs pay $75 - $150 an hour.. What a life..

  4. Re:as a Computer Supporter by Incongruity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Might I add another tip that always works for me? Note: I have never worked phone support. I've worked retail jobs and in-house tech support for a smaller company, but I am decidedly viewing this from a consumer point of view.

    Be kind, courteous and respectful of the tech support person with whom you are dealing.

    It's a really simple thing but it does a few things...first, it makes the tech support person actually feel like a person and that gives them more incentive to help you or help you find someone who can help you. Second, and this is often overlooked, if you are nice to the person on the other end of the phone it will often make the experience less stressful and less negative for you, as the caller.

    I know these are simple things and most everyone would realize them on their own, but I also know it's easy to forget these when dealing with tech support that in general sucks and is difficult to get in touch with.

  5. The REAL Reason Tech Support Sucks ... by hirschma · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... is because no one wants to pay for it.

    Think about it - everyone thinks short-term, and buys on price. Does ANYONE buy a PC because of the excellent support anymore?

    Look at the cheapest Dell desktop you can buy. What was cut out? The support. They only offer 90 days. How many people buy no-name crap at computer fairs and the like, or questionable goods from Ebay, since it has the cheapest price, and then attempt to get Microsoft to answer the phone when it doesn't work?

    Why are companies outsourcing to crap outfits? Product support has become something that is a checklist item that never turns up in reviews, for the most part... which is not surprising, since companies like Dell and Gateway pay the bills at the reviewer's magazines. Ever wonder why the biggest advertisers always get the best reviews? Has PC Mag ever said a negative thing about Dell or Microsoft?

    So companies find the cheapest way to pay tech-support "lip service" to their customers. This means that some half-asleep foreigner with a good American accent is going to answer the phone call... after a half hour on hold.

    Fact is that if you want good support, you pay for it - either in the product's price, or afterwards. Well, no one wants to pay for it the product price anymore.

    Tech support should be an option that people have to pay for - either the screwdriver guy in the neighborhood, a local third-party, or as an add-on from the company that sold you the gear in the first place.

  6. Re:Sure not Verizon! by SGHarms · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I fully agree with you. In every tech support job I have ever worked, people fell into these categories:

    ambitious people with vision

    pulling a check clockwatchers

    morons who non-technical management hired with the learning capacity of anesthetized anchovies

    Those that fell into the former category worked hard to get out of the repetitive work of support. They stuided and built the bridges to get out. Why? Because being a support person simply does not pay enough. If corporate america thought it important to keep their customers in contact with proficient people they would do things to help make sure they kept the best in those jobs!

    Some Advice

    Catapulting youself from Tech Support upwards is only possible within a corporate IT department.

    If you are at a Big Ass Call center (IBM owns many in Colorado) and you don't want to be a sell-out service lever manager corporate dicksnot, your best strategy is to get into the highest level of technical support and then join another corporation.

    At Big Ass Call Centers they focus on metrics and business jack-off garbage. In a corporate IT environment (generally) they care about quality solutions.

  7. Re:A true story from me and my DSL provider by Broccolist · · Score: 3, Insightful
    After having a bunch of similar experiences myself, I eventually learned how to deal with first-tier tech support. The problem is that they're not really there to help you: they just want to follow their procedure.

    I presume you're tech-savvy: if you're calling them, it's because there's a problem on their end, right? Your goal is to convince them to fix it. But their goal is to pester you and do nothing to help, mistakenly assuming the problem is on your end. They are your enemy. If their questions are irrelevant, don't be afraid to lie to them. Give them the "standard" answer they want to hear.

    Remember: no matter what your network really looks like, you are running Windows 98 on a single PC. You do *not* run Unix. You have never run Unix. In fact you have never ever heard of it. Don't be afraid to feed them as much BS as necessary, if it will persuade them to move their asses and fix the problem with their network.

  8. Re:The Reason Tech Support Sucks ... by rusty0101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have worked tech support, at one level or another, for my entire career. By that I mean everything from on site, or in shop repair of electroincs in the military and civilian life, through outsourced customer help desk for a still major PC vendor, through building suppportable updates to corporate systems, through global reach network support for a major bank.

    My experience is not comprehensive, but I do have a few insights.

    Don't make your first line customer support center into a profit center. I know, it costs money to run a fl customer support center, especially when you consider the hardware involved, but also payroll. Consider that a help desk generally hires temporary employees at $10-15/hr, (I suspect that they are paying the temp companies $20-30 per hour for these people) and for a large PC vendor, there are between 100 and 200 people taking calls 24 hours a day. It does add up quickly. On the other hand I have seen fl techs bill people for 10 different incidents in a single 20 min call, each incident costing $35 or more.

    Scripts (when written correctly) should help a fl either help you solve the problem, or get you to the right people. Howerver these scripts are written by people, who generally get their information by talking to the engineer of whatever project installed the piece that is to be supported. As a result, they are specific to that component, and rarely take into considerations interactions with other system components or even other software that a user may be working with. A good tech will recognize this, and be flexible enough to come up with his or her own set of questions to add to those in the scripts. However it is a rare tech support organization that will set up tools that such a tech support person can use in this way. On top of that if the tech is good, he or she is often promoted out of the tech pool to manage the lesser techs, or occasionally teach them. What happens when you pull the cream of the crop out of the interface to your customers? Your customers get the dregs as their first contact.

    Let your tech support become name recognized by your customers. Note that is not a "force" that is a 'Let'. Customers generally feel better when they "know" who will be at the other end of the line. As a customer, I am far more forgiving of my tech support person not knowing the answere to a problem I have if I can identify with them. If you have a policy that allows your tech support people to be asked for by name, or who are assigned to your customer's ticket while they are on shift, customers will not feel like they are getting the run around.

    I have yet to see a ticketing system that has built in data mining tools that will help a tech support person find similar problems and what their solutions were. In almost every case I have ever seen, a ticketing system has been a management tool used to see who is taking the most calls, and who is closing their tickets in the least amount of time. If you mean for the tool to be useful to the tech, on an other than individual ticket by ticket basis, that tool has got to have some built in help for the tech.

    Lastly follow through on support. Just because the customer claims that the problem appears to be solved, does not mean that it has been resolved. Schedule some time, or some people to follow up on a high percentage of tickets, and find out if the customer is satisfied. You don't have to ask page of questions on how the problem was handled. Start with the question, "Is the problem you encountered solved to your satisfaction?". Listen to the response. If the response is anything less than a hearty and happy "Yes." then you should start asking how the process can be improved, and so on.

    One problem when it comes to problem tickets, and escalations, is that no-one in a tech support queue types as fast as the customer speaks. If you recite off an error message, or a dozen field headers that are coming back with garbage, your tech support person will probably not be able to include them in the ticket. As a result, if the ticket is escalated to second level support, they probably will not have the data. If it is important to you that the data get into the ticket, take your time and make sure that the fl tech gets the informaiton completely in the ticket.

    This should be the tech support mantra I think:
    "I understand that for you, this problem is very important. It is preventing you from doing your job right now, and very well may be preventing your company from earning the revenue that is paying me. I also understand that not everyone that you have spoken with in the past has held this view. I also understand that the fact that you were on hold for one or more hours has made you feel that we do not take your problem seriously. I want you to know that the perceptions you have had in the past are not the perceptions I would like you to have going forward."

    Then again, I could be wrong.

    -Rusty

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    You never know...
  9. Re:Expect it to get better soon by 7-Vodka · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Christ Almighty. First of all, I'll take a stab in the dark: You're in marketing right?
    Let's see what you've just barfed out shall we?

    Many companies have outsourced tech support and thereby cut costs and improved quality.

    Wrong! Every single company I know of who has outsourced support has dropped support levels to the lowest humanly possible. What happens if my problem is not on the flow chart? What happens if god forbid it's unusual and actually needs to be fixed too? What happens if I need to talk to a developer or an engineer? where are those in the outsource company?
    When support gets outsourced the customer looses bigtime. When they call all they get is scripts read at them. How useless is that? Do a search on google and try to find the story of ex-employees who worked as these outsourced workers. Read them. It's so pathetic it's hillarious. Until you're forced to talk to someone like them.

    On the other hand, I know which companies don't outsource because when I call, they know about the product very well, they don't read scripts at me and they can always just walk over to a developer and ask a question.

    So what companies are looking to do *now* is outsource their tech support to companies who, in turn, export the entire operation abroad. Middle-men companies (like spherenomics [spherenomics.com] - no affiliation) are building call centers in countries where labor and construction costs are low (like India). Lower base costs lead to better tech support. This really simple idea has birthed a burgeoning industry - lots of big-name companies are catching on.

    No affiliation... My arse! Their website doesn't even work yet. This falls in the shameless plug for obscure and evil company dept.

    By this model, the consumer benefits. There's absolutely no degradation in tech support quality, and, in most cases, it gets better. These call center outfits are really top notch - you definitely won't be stuck speaking to some foreigner with broken English.

    In other words... Now we're gonna get scripts read at us by a person who we can hardly understand and is getting paid much less than minimum wage here; doing a job they can't do well because they're not part of the group who designed our product. Nice.

    In fact, next time you call a big company for tech support, ask the attendant where he or she is speaking from - chances are you'll be surprised by the answer.

    Oh! How cheery you are. How jovial this issue is.
    I hope the parent get's modded down. It's crap and sleezy. If it comes to that, I hope we have no person-person support at all, fuck it I can read scripts myself, I don't need to have them read at me.

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    Liberty.

  10. Good experience by mhatle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've had pretty good experience w/ Direct TV. There was an access card problem with one of my recievers and the tech support person stayed on the phone with me for almost an hour and a half working out how to diagnose and solve the problem.

    Needless to say, I kept offering to hang up and call back.. (Some of the steps took 15 minutes for the sat to sync up and stuff..) She said, no thats fine.. your satisfaction is more important than our call times.

    Needless to say I was very impressed they were will to deal with me.

  11. Re:Good Support != Support for end users by alcmena · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Another problem is that the tech can only be as smart as the person on the other end of the phone. If the person making the call is clueless then the tech is unlikely to get enough information to truly solve the problem anyway.

    For example, guy calls in and says, "the internet is down." That can be so many differen things it's all but impossible to troubleshoot. Especially if they don't know what a modem is and they think their computer is a CPU.