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The Next Tech Revolution

L-Wave writes "Here is an interesting article on cincinnati.com about the next revolution in technology. "The Internet revolution was about people connecting with people. The next revolution will be about things connecting with things." The story mentions having "tags" on every possible items from glasses to grocery, and each one identifying itself on a network...very cool stuff." We've run some earlier stories about the Auto-ID Center and RFID tags. This is an important topic - it will be a huge social issue once people realize that consumer goods will come with tags that allow them to be tracked individually.

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  1. Interesting article by freeweed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Neat stuff. I really like the concept of self-serve grocery checkouts myself. Typical paranoia though:

    it will be a huge social issue once people realize that consumer goods will come with tags that allow them to be tracked individually

    Maybe I just don't get it. Keeping tabs on 300 million US citizens is well-nigh impossible - noone cares about the individual, and actually logging this much data is pretty much a moot point. Now imagine this extended to several hundred BILLION consumer goods. Do we really have anything approcahing the capability to DO anything with this much data, let alone something bad? I mean, it's sorta fun to think that the government/corporations/whoever really cares about me individually, and is devoting massive amounts of manpower and/or computer resources to tracking my shopping habits, but.. why would they bother?

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    1. Re:Interesting article by j_kenpo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Neat stuff. I really like the concept of self-serve grocery checkouts myself. Typical paranoia though: Well, this ranks right up there with E-Commerce on the useful to everyday average people meter, which is pretty damned LOW. When you take customer service out of the store going experience, IE the person at the checkout that you complain to when the store didn't have this or that price was wrong, people get pretty bitchy. Try telling the a series of electronicly linked checkouts that you HATE this brand of Widget X and the price is too high and see what happens.... Im just picturing the scene in Zoolander where the two guys are hoping around like cavmen trying to get the files out of a computer.... But then again, I may be giving too much credit to Mr Murphey and not to the everyday average Joe Schmoe...

  2. I thought of this by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish I had patented it. I had this idea about 2 years' ago, and to be fair probably a lot of other people did too.

    The concept is simple- putting tags on everything which just gives them a unique id. Then you create a bridge between the internet and the physical world.

    Examples:

    1) Your car HUD can warn you of drivers who have been "modded down" when you see them on the road.

    2) In the store, you can look up reviews of consumer electronics items by scanning the item.

    3) Email people you walk past on the street if they have made their email public- also dating services can tell you if you are compatible, if they are single etc.

    4) Scan tags on famous landmarks and get taken to pages of info on them.

    5) Each shop and cafe you walk past has a tag so you can go to its home page and check its prices and offers.

    6) Returning stolen items to their owners (if you make the tags non-removeable).

    I'm sure you can think of many more applications...

    graspee

  3. speaking of self-serve grocery checkouts by fons · · Score: 3, Interesting
    In my local Delhaize supermarket (part of the Delhaize group like the Food Lion chain) registered users can grab a small barscanner (somewhat bigger than the cueat)at the entrance of the store and scan everything they want to purchase theirselves.

    When you're finished you put the scanner in a terminal which prints your receipt. with this receipt you go to a special (selfscanning only) checkout to pay.

    No lines, saves time

    You can always see how musch you're spending

    You can bag while you shop, saves time

    Stealing is pretty easy this way but i wouldn't there because there are random checks. And if you get caught there are evere punishments :)

    It's a neat and cool system but i haven't seen it anywhere else? Has anybody else seen this system before?

  4. Sorry, where's the demand? by sam_handelman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The reason that we've spent all these billions of dollars to set up the internet, for people to communicate with people, is because we, and by we I mean the human race, really want to communicate with eachother.

    My can of deodorant has no intrinsic desire to socialise with it's own kind. Whence, then, comes the impetus to enable it to do so?

    If a consumer good is valuable enough to justify this kind of outlay (in a commercial setting) then it is expensive enough to have car-salesman types wander the floor pressuring people to buy it. Unless these built-in chips talk and engage in high pressure sales tactics (here's a cool one, "please, buy me, or I will be tortured horribly and dumped on the scrap heap!") I don't see the percentages.

    As regards things that talk to things after you've bought them; there are merits of doing this with every consumer device that already has a computer chip built into it. However, this is far less of a revolution than when we put computer chips into our cars in the first place, but we weren't thinking about "revolutions" back then so it was just progress.

    In order to qualify as a revolution, it has to substantively alter the way we, human beings, live. Internetwork protocol has done this, at least in my case. However, while communicating with city traffic control may vastly alter driving from your car's point of view, it'll make only a slight difference to you, the driver. It's a nice trick but hardly a revolution.

    The revolution will come when people talk to machines directly, through TSA (today's sinister accronym, my favorite is DNI, or direct neural interface.)

    The next struggle against the intervention-of-big-things-in-our-little-lives will come not when built in chips start monitering our shopping habits - b/c IF YOU DIDN'T BUY IT WITH A CREDIT CARD BIG BROTHER DOESN'T CARE - but when the government tries to restrict my right to have robotic claws, replace my eyes with digital cameras, etc.

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  5. Re:It was a bad idea then and now, still. by ScumSucker · · Score: 2, Interesting
    >>frozen dinners might automatically give cookng instructions to microwave ovens.

    >OR you could read the instructions

    The real potential here is not to empower the lazy, but rather to actually get frozen food to cook right in a microwave oven. For instance, if manufacturers of microwave ovens and manufacturers of frozen foods (TV dinners) actually coordinated on a program like this, each dinner might cook differntly in every microwave... simply, it would cook in whatever manner was required to do the best job.

    >>A wine lover could look on a computer screen and see what's in her wine cellar

    >OR she could, i don't know, go down into her cellar? How far could it be?

    The hidden power here isn't for the lady with the wine cellar as much as it is for say someone who has recently moved... and has 200 boxes sitting in his/her garage. Imagine being able to move-in and actually find where you put that hammer....

    >>Prescription drug bottles could work together to send you a warning if the combination of pills you're about to swallow would be toxic.

    >God forbid you acutally talk to your DOCTOR about all those pills your taking.

    >The eyeglass thing is a red herring too. Been wearing glasses since 3rd grade, everytime I 'lose' them, they turn out to be on my face.

    Think outside of the box here. This could be a real boon to the elderly. Whether or not the advances come in the form as described in the article or in some other ways (such as an elderly person being able to just call out to the room "where are my glasses" or "where is my medicine bottle"), being able to find items "lost" in your house is potentially very useful for those with failing memories.

  6. Re:It was a bad idea then and now, still. by Silk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You've missed the point completely.
    • Frozen dinners giving cooking instructions to microwave ovens

    • Have you ever read the directions for microwave oven food preparation? You're usually given a range of time to cook the food and then a disclaimer telling you that microwave oven cooking times may vary. This is because ovens have different amount of power. A frozen dinner would tell the oven exactly how much energy it needs to be cooked properly and the oven would adjust its power accordingly.

    • The wine lover seeing what's in her wine cellar

    • It's very easy to walk down to the cellar and look at all the bottles of wine you have. I don't disagree with you there but a person who keeps 2 or 3 cases of wine in the cellar wouldn't use RFIDs. A wine collector with several hundred bottles of wine of different vintages, from different wineries would benefit from RFIDs immensely. A visual inspection of all the bottles might miss the one you actually want. Besides, taking the bottles out of their racks gives a person a chance to drop it. If you've ever watched Northern Exposure you know the kind of collector that would benefit from this scenario.

    • Prescription drug bottles warning the consumer of contraindications

    • At this point you're depending on the knowledge of one person. No matter how skilled a doctor is, there is no way she can know every lethal combination of prescribed medications. Doctors know the interactions of certain drugs, typically the ones they most commonly prescribe. Once you're prescribed a medication that isn't very common, you're putting your trust in the doctor's ability to look up the information properly in the reference books she has available. While this works most of the time, there are instances when it doesn't. RFIDs in prescription drugs wouldn't be used to replace the doctor but to augment her ability to give you the correct information about the medications you're about to ingest.
  7. Re:Too complicated by Kaiwen · · Score: 3, Interesting
    sometimes a toaster is just a toaster. We don't need 'super appliances' that think

    No? Imagine the toaster that can brown your toast to perfection, with no user intervention required. White, whole wheat, rye, thin-sliced, thick-sliced, wheat-thins, leavened or unleavened. The toaster automatically senses what you put in, remembers YOUR idea of perfection (no more arguing with the wife over who left the toaster set to "dark"; it was probably you anyway), and suddenly "burnt to a crisp" becomes something that used to happen to your grandparents.

    Now take another step back. Anyone who's ever tried to put together a gourmet meal in his own kitchen can tell you by far the hardest part is the timing -- getting the pheasant under glass, the beef souffle, the Stove Top stuffing -- AND the toast -- all finished at the same time. Now imagine a wired kitchen. Pop the turkey roast in the oven, the frozen veggies in the nuker, the whole wheat in the toaster, and tell your kitchen you want all the accessories to be ready at the same time as the bird. The oven, monitoring the turkey, informs the nuker when there's seven minutes to go so the nuker knows when to start defrosting. At the 45 second mark the toaster kicks in, and 45 seconds later you have a turkey roasted to perfection, veggies steaming hot, and golden brown toast all waiting together. And the whole time you were watching WWF re-runs in the living room. Course, that's not to mention that your oven knows seventy three different ways to roast duck, a hundred and seven ways to bake a cake, and three hundred and twelve ways to broil salmon, all courtesy of your DSL Internet connection. Throw in a two-job, on-the-go family with no time to spend deciphering recipe books, and calling this kind of self-orchestrating, fully-automated kitchen "marketable" would be the understatement of the millenium.

    they would suffer from the vcr problem of being too complicated to use/control/program and most people would be stuck with the factory settings that they might not like.

    Just the opposite. Imagine a VCR networked with a time server, and that flashing "12:00" goes the way of burned toast (see above). Imagine a VCR that connects to an online database of TV schedules, and you'll never accidentally tape the wrong channel -- or the right channel at the wrong time -- again. Want more? Imagine a VCR that knows you never miss Babylon Five and considerately tapes tonight's episode for you even though you forgot to tell it to do so. Imagine a VCR that automatically adjusts to last minute schedule changes. Imagine a networked VCR that, connecting to an online database, can not only confirm that yes you did see that actress in another movie just last week, but even show you the scene. Imagine stumbling into the middle of an interesting movie on HBO and wishing you'd caught the whole thing. Pas de problem for your VCR -- just tell it to record the next occurance; you don't even need to know when it is. The VCR will inform you when the task is accomplished -- or tell you exactly which local video stores stock it if you just can't wait. Imagine a VCR that monitors your viewing habits so that it can flag upcoming events of potential interest.

    Yeah -- I'd buy that VCR.