Megaspammer Monsterhut Loses On Appeal

Werehatrack writes "Much jubilation was expressed in news.admin.net-abuse.email when it was learned that the long-running court battle between PaeTec and Monsterhut had reached a definitive conclusion on Friday with a New York appeals court finding in favor of PaeTec which finally allowed PaeTec to pull the plug on their least-loved customer's connectivity. PaeTec was actually somewhat restrained in its news announcement on its own website, simply noting that they had won and that they had disconnected Monsterhut."

Comments

Moving Overseas

[Alien54]

Considering they sued the last one. I mean, would you hook these people up, knowing that you'd be lining yourself up for a good round of lawyering?

They'll probably hook up with an ISP in Asia someplace, where people haven't figured out the details about spam yet.

Re:Lunacy.

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

Oh my god. This is sad. That someone would mod this up as funny... I never intended it that way. I know I post alot of goofy shit, but I was 110% deadly serious this time.

And I don't find it funny at all. :(

I just accused our judicial system of being morally bankrupt and functionally impotent. Flamebait would have been more appropriate. Even troll. I think I'll go cry now.

1 down....

[tcc]

34723984723 to go...

There's one thing I don't get. We are tax payers, the people we elect are law-makers, they are paid to find solutions to common problems. They love passing laws. But WHY do they always have to go against the population and not work with them?

Get this: name me 10 subject that would get 99% approval among the population? heck even TAX CUT wouldn't get 99% because some people would be affraid of the system collapsing, etc etc... but SPAM? come on... if it's not 99% it's going to be 99.9%.

My question is: Why is the system so slow about it? why am I being spammed at a rate of 80 messages a day (including 20 that passes the "HIGH" setting in my hotmail account) I mean if I get spammed, I am sure senate representatives are getting spammed like hell too, I am sure it costs microsoft a LOT in bandwidth and storage and all to keep up with spam on their service (if they have a million of users that are like me receiving 20 spam for 1 valid email (and I am not joking) their system is totally wasted for nothing.

Why so much tolerance? why not blocking every higher class where the biggest spam machines comes from? the hell with the valid users; if they are cutted out, they will do something other than reading about it and sitting there, switch ISP or if it's another country with only one wire well they will do pressure to the higher instances to get their connection back. My way might be drastic, but I am FED UP with it, I've been waiting for 3 years for this problem to get solved and it's just getting worse.

It's like... remember like 5-10 years ago when you could post on usenet without getting any trouble? the worst thing that could happen to you was someone using flash.c against you? :), When I saw the net going commercial, I knew this would be bad, I said "well one day everybody will have a net connection and I'll have higher speed" and this is the good side, but some days I'd rather go back to my unix dialup account and have the feeling I had without the aggression of abusive emails, script kiddies and all that crap we have these days... ok this is a bit extreme but I'm sure you all get the idea.

We are barely starting to see something happening, but it's not by destroying the spam of ONE guy that you will scare the others off, this is going to get out of hands even worse, they will see how the legal system is bloated and exploit every single holes in it if they have to.

The system seems to protect the megacorporation more than little guys like you and me, but in this case, it would help BOTH sides, so why is it taking so long? cut asia off for a day, heck, DO SOMETHING. Ideas? heck , these guys are payed over twice my salary to come up with creative ideas, why don't they do their jobs and save me from taking the laws in my own hands?

Re:1 down....

[tcc]

That doesn't have to do anything with spammers, they don't receive a zit from spammers, the typical spammer is a guy running a home buisness or a store that thinks like "if I send out 40,000 email and get a response from only 0.1% of that amount it's going to recuperate the costs and make it worthwhile (and it wouldn't work if people were smart, the problem is SOME people do respond).

I still don't understand how you can operate a mouse and a keyboard, and respond to an email that will help you to get out of debt and entrust your finance to someone that SPAMMED you, I don't know what kind of education these people get but this is very sad. And this is one of the place where the government should protect people from themselves and I wouldn't say anything.

Anyways the point is, big corporation are even more touched than us as individuals, because they get a LOT of traffic wasted on their net feed, they need extra ressources on their mail servers and either a net admin or every employee needs to check their junk folders once in a while to trim the crap from the good messaged filtered out, this costs productivity and equipment for something that shouldn't be there in the first place.

You don't see telemarketters calling people one by one thru the receptionnist in a 1000 employee company right? you don't see vacuum vendors going from desk to desk in large corporations :). You get the idea. This touches EVERYBODY with no exeptions, this isn't a matter of having money or not, these spammers are taxing useless bandwidth, time, and hardware, and I am not even counting how many are total frauds.

Re:Don't Spam On Me.

[silentbozo]

You overlook those of us with e-mail addresses old enough to pre-date spam. There was no reason to hide or mangle our addresses back then because there were no spam bots, and no spammers. Usenet was actually useful, and open relays were the norm, not the bane of proper netiquette. Hell, you gave your address out and expected people to contact you, not mass-mail ads. When you give your phone out to people, do you expect them to inundate you with telemarketing pitches? Of course not!

The point? Don't class those of us who get lots of spam because we choose to keep the addresses that we have had for the last 8 years with clueless newbies who don't know how to hide their addresses. We're aware we could use new addresses, but we've chosen to fight for the ones that we've got. All of my addresses are garbled, but goddamn fucking spammers in China, Argentina, and the US are still selling those "million-address" cds, with entries dating back for years, and some of them happen to contain my e-mails, culled from newsgroup postings, documentation, etc. As quickly as I whack-a-mole spammers, others pop us (most are now located in China, either for hosting, or originating - I'd solve 80% of my spam problem if I could just nuke China's connection to the outside world.

I fight hard to rid the 'net of these parasitic scum, and I resent the idea that it's MY fault that I'm getting spammed! Lay the blame where it lies - with the spammers!!!

Finally, regarding your comments regarding telemarketers, do you realize that there is a law against calling someone if they don't want to be called? Yet, under your logic, telemarketers should have the right to "market their product." And being irresponsible with one's address (or number.) You ignore random-dialing, which penalizes me for having a phone, and random-address discovery, where dictionaries of likely usernames are matched against domain names to generate addresses, without even having to run a spambot, or collect someone's data from a form.

Do you use your e-mail for business? Cause if you do, it's got to be a pain to notify all of your clients of your new address...