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Largest Balloon Ever

bitpusherdotorg writes "The UK's Colin Prescot and Andy Elson are in the midst of preparations for their upcoming attempt at setting a new world balloon altitude record in July. The pilots will make their ascent in the largest helium balloon ever constructed, on an open flight deck (!) with nothing but a pair of tailor made Russian spacesuits to keep them breathing. Why pay 20 million for a shuttle when you can just balloon it?"

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  1. parachute record by Lepruhkawn · · Score: 3, Informative

    What I'd really like to see is one of these guys try and break Joe Kittinger's parachute jump record (102,500 feet). The film of him jumping off that balloon was wild.

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    1. Re:parachute record by jeboyer · · Score: 2, Informative

      It looks like there are a couple of people just crazy enough to try it!

      One claims to be planned for "March 2002". Seeing as we haven't heard either splat or cheer, I don't know what the current status is.

      The other appears to be currently scheduled for April 2003.

    2. Re:parachute record by zendaddy · · Score: 1

      Maybe they can take samples from the chemtrails and find out what is being sprayed in our skies...

    3. Re:parachute record by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1


      Know if there's somewhere online I could find the film for download? I would love to check that out.

  2. Watch that first step... by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    ...it's a doozy...

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  3. So, what are _they_ doing? by n-baxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other than having balls enough to do it, or a lack of brains, are these "baloonauts" really doing anything? Could they just as easily place put a monkey on the baloon, or a corpse for that matter? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems that if anyone should get credit for the new record it should be the engineers. But, of course, we never get credit for anything.

    1. Re:So, what are _they_ doing? by QuodEratDemonstratum · · Score: 2, Informative

      Andy Elson, at least, is very much an engineer

    2. Re:So, what are _they_ doing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are riding in an open cockpit balloon to 130,000 feet. Sounds like something to me.

  4. parachute by moosesocks · · Score: 2

    Lets hope they equip these guys with a parachute... just incase.... POP!

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    1. Re:parachute by CaptainStormfield · · Score: 1

      Answers the question about why someone would pay $20 mill for a shuttle ride, no?

      Though I suppose you'd have a better chance parachuting from the balloon than you would from an exploding shuttle.

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    2. Re:parachute by Mt._Honkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, that's not as easy as you make it sound. In order to survive such a jump, you first need a drogue chute that keeps you from spinning wildly out of control, and then a multi-stage main chute that opens a little bit at a time. This is because you would be going super-sonic at that altitude, and the shock of going into the lower atmosphere with a fully deployed parachute would snap you and the chute like so much fish. The guy who did the 102,000 ft. jump barely made it, if I remember it correctly. Didn't he have a problem with the drogue?

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    3. Re:parachute by hubie · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are referring to Kittinger's 76,000 ft jump. He got tangled in his drogue (it wrapped around his neck) and passed out. An automatically deployed emergency chute saved his life. On his 102,000 ft jump he was in danger of losing his hand because his glove depressurized.

    4. Re:parachute by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      From the web site:
      If the gondola had to make an emergency descent, the envelope would be cut away and the platform would freefall at supersonic speed. The stability of the gondola at high speed is therefore critical. Emergency parachutes will be fitted to control the speed of the descent.
      Supersonic? Geeze, Six Flags has nothing on this! I guess you'd never know if the chutes didn't work.

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    5. Re:parachute by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1


      What about terminal velocity? If you came down to fairly pressurized regions in the 5k ft to 10k ft range, wouldn't you be going slow enough to use a normal shoot. Or at least use a drag shoot initially just to slow down slightly more and then use a normal shoot?

    6. Re:parachute by Mt._Honkey · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure. I think that the air density increases extremely fast as you approach that area, and if you slam into a region of air where you normally go 150 mph going 550 mph, there's going to be a problem. I don't remember exactly what the problem was, but it was something akin to that. Your idea may work.

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  5. biggest balloon ever? by adminispheroid · · Score: 3, Insightful
    After claiming that it'll be the biggest balloon ever, they never give a size. Unless you count "400 times the size of a typical hot-air balloon and as tall as the Empire State Building; or seven times the height of Nelson's Column."

    40 million cubic foot balloons are the biggest common size used at the National Scientific Balloon Facility in the US, and I believe they're about 130 meters tall when they reach altitude. I don't know how that compares to Nelson's "Column," as they so delicately put it, but that's probably smaller than the Empire State Building.

    However, 40 km altitude is no record, the 40 millions can (and do) take a pretty hefty package to 43 km. I guess they're talking about a balloon carrying people. Why anybody would want to do that is beyond me.

    I guess this article would give the impression that ballooning is the realm of crazies and crackpots, but high altitude ballooning is a very handy technology. Much science that is done from satellites can be done from balloons for a tiny fraction of the cost.

    1. Re:biggest balloon ever? by hubie · · Score: 3, Informative
      The 40 isn't the largest balloon out there, it is (just as you stated) the largest that is part of Raven's "off the shelf" stock. I think they used to make 52's, and I'm sure if you come with the proper amount of money, they can accomodate larger sizes. I'm not sure who makes these balloons overseas.

      The goal of 40km should not be a problem for these guys if they have a successful launch. I was part of a research team that launched a 2000 lb payload to over 42 km on a 40 Mcft balloon, so if these guys get a larger balloon than that, it should be that much easier. The manned balloon altitude record, by the way, is 113,740 ft set in 1961 from the Strato-Lab V platform by US Navy pilots Malcolm Ross and Vic Parther.

      An excellent history of setting the manned balloon altitude record can be found in David DeVorkin's Race to the Stratosphere .

  6. There's only one word to say: by panck · · Score: 0, Troll

    AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh hh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhh!

    (well it would be 1 word without the lameness filter)

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  7. Advertising in the new millenium by dingo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looking at the photo acompanying the article something occured to me. The advertising on the suits what a great idea. I mean could you imagine if in the sixties you had the fore sight to have your corporate logo plastered on Neil Armstrongs arse. The most watched footage ever. I wonder if they will try something like that for a mars mission. NASA could probably fund the whole thing by having microsoft plastered on everything...but what am I talking about...any rocket with microsoft software would probably fail spectacularly. :)

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    1. Re:Advertising in the new millenium by Yottabyte84 · · Score: 2
      any rocket with microsoft software would probably fail spectacularly.



      Remember the hindenburg? After it blew everyone stopped using hydrogen in ballons. Imagain the bad press Microsoft would get.

    2. Re:Advertising in the new millenium by dingo · · Score: 1

      Remember the hindenburg? After it blew everyone stopped using hydrogen in ballons. Imagain the bad press Microsoft would get.

      True...but hydrogen is not a corporate entity with lawyers spin doctors and money up the yin yang

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  8. Similar ballon, plus a jump! by morcheeba · · Score: 3, Informative

    This sounds similar to this australian attempt: check this article and this (better) article.

    Summary: 2 guys in spacesuits taking a giant helium balloon to 40km. In the vacum of space, they'll descend at 1600-1800 kph (994-1118 mph), becoming the first man to break the sound barrier unaided (that's cool!). Plenty of video taken for marketing opportunities.

    The funny thing is that both of these ballons claim to be going to the "edge of space" at 40km, but the traditional definition (and the one used for the X-prize) is 100km. By that standard, I guess I have beach-front property!

    1. Re:Similar ballon, plus a jump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when Kittinger jumped from 102,000 ft he most certainly broke the sound barrier.. mach 1.2 IIRC so i don't think these guys could be the first..

  9. And I thought it was turbulence!!!!: by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

    Somehow, I would imagine a drop through some of the atmosphere at least might get a little bumpy thus that would account for the word breaks. Also, you should make it a little longer, three lines is a drop of just a few thousand feet!

  10. Largest? Hardly. by CyberDruid · · Score: 1

    Worst... Balloon... Ever!

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