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Mozilla 1.0 RC2 is out
ferratus writes "The Mozilla organization just released the second release candidate for the upcoming 1.0 due out in a few weeks. See the updated release note and remember to see the mirror list before hitting the main server."
We're going to get an RC3 too.
Dissolve... Resolve... Evolve...
And what Beta is MS up to with IE? oh you mean to tell me those were Final versions.....my bad....
If you're talking about this bug, it's fixed. The time the bug started showing up on slashdot until the time it was fixed in a nightly was only a matter of a couple days.
Mozilla 1.0 RC 2 has just been released and is already available for download. This is what has changed from the previous RC. New stuff include support for "HTTP pipelining", something which can increase performance by 50%! (disabled by default, check the releases notes).
This was the story I have submitted, Slashdot staff is weird, really.. =)
We hardly knew you. [http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13849 6 - not linkified in hopes of not /.ing bugzilla again]
Back for 1.1, hopefully...
Did you install on top of a previous install? If you did then remove that install and start fresh (you won't lose your profile, it's stored in a different location).
--Asa
Mozilla is good, mozilla is great. The only thing keeping me from using it over Konqueror right now is the fact it seems to ignore my proxy setting. I use The Internet Junkbuster to remove unwanted (read: all) ads and other things. Mozilla up to RC1 seems to overlook this and I see ads all over the place. It may be due to JavaScript url fetching not going through the proxy, but I'm not sure
And don't tell me to use moz's built-in ad blocking, because I've already got a huge blockfile, I want to block for all browsers across the network, and it usually screws up rendering to use the builtin stuff anyway.
This is a great web browser; it's really faster than other GUI browsers I've used, renders nicely, and has all the features. But until it respects proxies (I use Squid to cache stuff too, helps a lot when all you've got is a modem), I can't use it. :-(
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
I'm dying for this feature. I don't install messenger, and I use sylpheed as my mail client. I'm sure lots of people are using other handlers like mutt, outlook, evolution, etc... In the old and netscape they had this API where you had to write a C program just to use an alternative handler. Seems pretty crazy to me. All I want is a text box like:
Mail Handler : sylpheed -to %email
Or something to that effect. Maybe a substitution for ?subject= as well.
Websurfing done right! StumbleUpon
I can simultaneously induce releases by downloading them. I just downloaded RC1 yesterday. I installed RH 7.2 HOURS before 7.3 was released.
Such irony!
-- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
Especially obnoxious are bugs like trashing the preference files on upgrades from Netscape. If they can't do that right, they shouldn't try to do it at all.
I'm stuck on a Windows machine at work, and I've been using MSIE 6.0 to surf, and once I learned about Mozilla's ability to block pop-ups and the tabbed browsing feature, I switched, and I'm not looking back. It's about time someone added these features. I just wish I had learned about them sooner. I was actually beginning to dread getting online because of pop-ups, but now I can surf with impunity again.
If you are in the same situation I was, download and install Mozilla now. You'll thank yourself later.
you don't have to outrun the bear, just the slowest person in your group.
Does anyone know if Mozilla plans on using different icons for Mail, Chat, Browser etc.?
I use Mail all day and open several browser windows and if I'm not careful to open the Mail app first, I can never find it because all the icons are the same!
Here's another weird thing - When I open my Mail first, it always opens a browser window trying to find: something and forwards to www.oingo.com owned by IdeaLabs. Do I have some sort of spyware on my computer or is this normal? I can't find anything in the prefs.js file... I'm using RC2 right now and it seems to do the same thing...
-Russ
Me
That's not the right conclusion. That measure is taken in addition to many others. And is designed to protect your profile from attacks to other software too!
Suppose your profile were stored in a fixed well-known location like c:/program files/mozilla/profiles. Suppose you still used outlook (eew!). A worm which gains access to reading files could easily get your profile! And there was no security bug in mozilla in that. So randomizing the directory avoids some kind of attacks. Everything counts!
I couldn't possibly agree more. Run to bug 135331 and put your vote in on this. One of the mozilla user interface guys, mpt, even suggested that it was a mistake to leave back off of non-link images and that it should be changed, but a lot of the developers seemed to make the new UI spec for context menus holy writ and ignore all the howls of protest over this issue.
- jon
Ganymede, a GPL'ed metadirectory for UNIX
If they don't sell some goddamn Mozilla t-shirts when 1.0 hits, heads must roll!
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
I hate to sound like a troll, but there's an obvious double standard here.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
Sorry, _I_ use some of those other things. And I _never_ use "back". But then I'm a keyboard-mostly user and I just use alt-left...
BUT!
Make sure you keep your plugins... I sometimes forget to do that..
I just came across a cool looking site FindYourSpot.com that asks you a lot of questions and supposedly recommends a good place for you to live.
Mozilla (even RC2, I just tried it) hangs when you're almost done answering the questions on the third page.
Konqueror 3 seems to have a problem with the Next button -- it just clears the radio buttons and returns the same (first) page.
Amusingly, i got through the whole thing with Links!!!! But due to the lack of Alt tags, I couldn't figure out where to go once I got through it.
I'm not sure if I can bring myself to fire up Netscape 4.79. Aaaaugh, the pain of even THINKING of using that peice of junk again!
Danny.
I have written over 900 book reviews
I don't know if illegal. I'd say it's selfish. Because if something is funded by ads it's because people are not willing to pay. But they are not only NOT willing to pay and go to the extend to blocking the ads. Their proposal is hipocrat one. Let the stupid watch the ads, i get it for free.
Note: I'm as anonymous for protection from the hipocrats...
unfinished: (adj.)
This was a correction to my previous. I wanted to make it anonymous, but what the hell. Thanks.
unfinished: (adj.)
Please, take a nanosecond to think, or at least to ponder the definition of the term you use, before you post something.
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
[This is not intended to be a karma whore message. These comments are my honest reactions to RC2. I have already hit the karma cap.]
In my humble opinion, based on the speed of this browser, the overall feel of the menus, the way the messages in the status bar work, the handling of text boxes in forms, the (much improved!) snappiness of the menus, inclusion of CCS2 and overall feel of the way everything fits together, this browser is finally in a position to be called "Ready for Primetime."
Past builds, even RC1 did not have the menu snappiness. There was a noticeable lag when changing menus and cancelling out of the preferences. The messages in the status bar would stutter. Pull down menus did not pull down as fast. My 0.99 would crash every 5 minutes on linux but not windows.
To the Mozilla crew: This is fantastic. Finally there is an open source windows browser that is ready to challenge IE. Great work everyone and kudos to everyone who helped the project. If things stay on track, RC3 should be amazing. I now will seriously consider this browser to be a viable recommendation for an alternate to MSIE for non-technical users. After some more testing, I may rank it (in my head) above opera.
I have zero experience with Mozilla's development, so I thought I'd ask for advice before spamming bugzilla...
Mozilla incorrectly renders this w3c CSS1 "float" test. How do I determine if this is known: what kind of bug do I search for? If it is not known, where and how should I file it, or should I report it to a Mozilla insider to file for me?
If you want nice printouts in UNIX use Xprint.
Xprint replaces the underlying XFree86 drawing primatives with ones that generate PostScript. Mozilla has the necessary code to support this and it can easily be activated. This results in printouts that look almost exactly like the display. It will even print wacko fonts by downloading them or, as a last resort, embedding them as bitmats. If you have good Type1 font's it looks pretty good. It is very popular with non-U.S./Canadian users for just this reason. There's minor setup but it's all explained in detail here:
Using Xprint with Mozilla
I'd like to see this developed further so the distros catch on and support it. Spread the word.
with only one "R".
The original writers of the HTTP protocol were somewhat careless spellers, but the protocol got adopted "as-is". it's really moot but this may confuse you when configuring your httpd.conf or writing CGI code and looking for a slightly-misspelled http header :)
cheers!
Extraordinary Vacations. Exceptional Prices
Nice quote :) I was beign honest though. I'd agree that we always fall in the "hippocrats" category at some point in life.
unfinished: (adj.)
That's security and it's not by obscurity. It's a precaution. It's plain and simple. Your idea of security would imply sending passwords in plaintext or having the password widgets echo what you type.
unfinished: (adj.)
Does Download Manager still come up by default on all downloads? It is VERY annoying and there is no GUI way of removing it. Anyone know how to remove it through prefs.js or some such? Is there a page on Mozilla.org that has all the preferences that can be used (for RC2 not some long-forgotten release)?
What is with the freaks twisting a well defined, and widely understood, concept so that they can feel better about the way their favorite OS does things.
Security through obscurity defines the act of concealing flaws in the hope that since 'nobody' knows about them an expoit won't we found by crackers. This well established Microsoft practice has done little to shield them from the major exploitation of the security problems that plague Windows whilst the open approach of such systems as Linux have yielded very robust and securable platforms.
I must assume you are trolling in the hopes of either gathering attention or spreading FUD. I hope you enjoy looking like a moron.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
Mozilla 1.0 RC1 provided source RPMs for their RH 7.2 RPMs (see http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozill a1.0rc1/Red_Hat_7x_RPMS/ ) .. But RC2 seems to be missing this. There are binary RPMs, but no source. I need the source to build for other RH versions/archs. (see http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozill a1.0rc2/Red_Hat_7x_RPMS/ )
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
There are talkback nightly builds for linux. If you can reproduce a crash consistently then file a bug. You don't have to have a stack if you can repro regularly. If it's reproducible then someone else can get the stack.
--Asa
Yep - On XFree, screen redraws have gotten quicker, but is still *much* slower than NS4.7. I wonder if the mozilla hackers will ever be able to make screen draws fast, or if we'll all have to upgrade to 2GHz machines to make it more usable?
My user agent has shown Mozilla/5.0 for a long time now. Even Netscape 4.7 is really Mozilla/4.0 :)
Stephen Walderr (probably spelt that wrong :)) created a fork of IJB 2.whatever which used blank GIFs in place of the broken icon or IJB logo. Then his project grew and continued. Everyone reported ads to the communal blocklist, which could be easily synchronized with a cron job. It was the best ever.
:-(
Then his site seemed to stop updating, and many people wondered what had happened
But soon, the software was brought back by some great efforts by other people. It has many features I like. However, there are still bugs keeping it from 3.0:
* It stops responding after a few days unless you HUP it.
* It doesn't re-gzip data after it's been deziped and filtered.
* The re_filterfile code sometimes doesn't work (I use it to filter Google's link-wrapping, which I feel is a big of a cheater's way of looking at what I go to)
* Some minor HTTP 1.1 unhappyness.
All in all, a good piece of software -- just not complete (yet).
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
Try MozillaZine for information on nightlies, and daily status updates. Or, you could add the MozillaZine Slashbox to your homepage.
--You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
Choosing non-obvious path-names is one security concept (and a very simple one at that) to deflect the most blunt attacks. Any half decent trojan/virus/worm/whatever could either deduce or simply look up the relevant directory (hey, mozilla has to find it too) and then wreak havoc there. Obscuring the Windows directory by renaming it was one security tip for windows (some years ago) AFAIK.
Note, that many attacks are really primitive, and against those blunt attacks simple measures do help, so why not employ them?
"By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing... kill yourself." -- Bill Hicks
On my 1.0RC1 all that happens is that the menu gets stuck in the open condition stealing focus until you initiate a drag of another object in the ui, guess it is time to upddate to rc2.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
When you right-click over an image, the Back function on the context menu disappears.
Er, isn't the whole point of context menus that they're kinda, you know, contextual in their function?
The act of context-clicking on an image most likely indicates an urge to do something with that image, like save, open or deface it. Navigation items are much more appropriate in the context of clicking on a blank area of the page.
Incidentally, Galeon approaches this by taking the navigation tools onto the bottom of the image context menu. It makes for a really, really ugly and annoyingly large context menu. I consider this a bug.
News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.
This source code is subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and other U.S. law, and may not be exported or re-exported to certain countries (currently Afghanistan (Taliban controlled areas), Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) or to persons or entities prohibited from receiving U.S. exports (including Denied Parties, entities on the Bureau of Export Administration Entity List, and Specially Designated Nationals).
Considering the fact that Mozilla is under the GPL and the mirrors are not in the US I don't see how the US has the right to claim jurisdiction over the code. Also add to this the crucial fact that many of the programmers involved do not live in the US. What happens to contributors who happen to live in one of those countries? I know that it is just blowing smoke, there is no possible way to enforce this blockade on software but where does the US get the legal, or ethical right, to control the distribution of the Mozilla source code which is an INTERNATIONAL effort.
I stole this Sig
Here are my thoughts:
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... Too bad!
By now I am sure most people have seen that Mozilla RC1 has been released
The press has picked this up and now there are a number of reviews
They all fail to compare RC1 to the last release (0.99) which leads to almost
all positive feedback.
The truth is that Mozilla really screwed up their release process. This is the
worst stable Mozilla build I have tested in the last year. They litterally
broke every rule in the book:
- They introduced major UI changes which are incompatible with all of the builds
since 0.80 or so.
- Saving files locally (at least on my system) is totally broken. Want to save
a PDF file locally?
- They have completely changed around a lot of the preferences. Where did
these come from?
There are also numerous other small bugs.
RC1 should have been 0.99 with *only* patches to fix critical bugs. How many
release candidates do they expect to have?
Will there every be a Mozilla 1.0 or is it just going to be asymptotic to 1.0?
I installed a skin called LCARTrek from the recommended Mozilla skins site. I restarted Mozilla (RC2, full Win2K install) to see the effect and it cause Mozilla to hang during startup (at the splash window). Killed the task. Re-ran Mozilla. Same hang. Anyways, in case something like this happens to anyone else... what I did to get past this was delete a file called Chrome.rdf somewhere within "Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Mozilla\". Sorry for the somewhat vague instructions, but I'm sure you'll figure it out if you need to. Naturally, I'm a little reluctant to try and other skins with RC2 now!
Instead of going and downloading it from the main site, I decided to be kind and find it on a mirror this time. So I went to their mirrors page.
.uk mirror and all of them only had RC1! So I went through the .fr mirrors, ditto. How slow are these people?
I went through EVERY
mogorific carpentry experiments
I wrote 3000 line javascript program that uses fairly sophisticated logic with dhtml objects, frames and forms. I have battled every browser I've tested it on until now; it worked the first time with no problems at all.
Of course, this code has already been carefully constructed to be compatible with NS4,NS6 and IE, but still, I'm impressed.
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/
I dunno what you've been doing, but MZ renders pages withing milliseconds for me. It's amazingly fast!
What about OpenBSD prevents it from running on there?
Perl - $Just @when->$you ${thought} s/yn/tax/ &couldn\'t %get $worse;
Heheh, right you are. The ironic thing is choosing "Get New Themes" from the RC2 Mozilla menus takes you to that very page.
Not Hippocrates - hipocrats. People who think we should all be ruled by horses.
Perhaps you're going blind ?
For me the performance is varied. There are some things which are much much faster than they are in Communicator, like rendering complex nested tables. On the other hand, some things are dead slow, like opening huge lists or even huge plain text documents. Under IE, I can open up a local thousand-message Hypermail index page almost instantly, probably in under a second. Under Mozilla, the same list takes several seconds, and even then, the Back button is iffy as to whether it will put me in the right place.
This kind of speed problem means that where IE can be used to just click the links and navigate, Mozilla can't. When it takes Mozilla 5 seconds to render a page, and it takes 5 seconds to launch IE, it's obvious what is easier to use.
Also, from what I can tell, there is also a problem with the aggressive swapping to expand drive cache space in Windows. It seems to swap out Mozilla. On my 850MHz PIII w. 256MB of RAM, it can take up to 20, --*TWENTY*-- seconds to pull Mozilla out of swap.
That problem is hardly as pronounced under Linux, but Linux by default doesn't dump all not-recently-used pages of RAM to the HDD.
From what I can tell, Mozilla is better under Linux because of this, but surprisingly Galeon makes a big difference. Large lists are still slow, but the footprint and performance is a little better. It bridges the gap between bad and tolerable.
The anti-ad features are killers in Mozilla though. I use it exclusively now. But then, I never really used IE. It's too evil. I still remember where I was when I heard the news on the radio that Microsoft was going to bundle IE into Win95.
If it weren't for Mozilla, I would be stuck on IE, and I wouldn't be using Linux at home. It is a very important project for the Internet as a whole... and it is almost too late.
New stuff include support for "HTTP pipelining"
Not really. Pipelining has been sitting in Preferences --> Advanced --> HTTP since at least 0.9.8 (that's when I started using it). Pipelining definitely speeds things up, but it's a little bit buggy, which is why it's disabled by default.
As a web site developer who needs to test his web sites on multiple browsers, it would be nice if Netscape 6.2 and Mozilla 1.0 RC2 could coexist on the same machine. But they don't. Image display and CSS utilization goes awry. CPU utilization is high. Mozilla's quick loader cancels out the one for Netscape.
However, when I installed Mozilla on a system without Netscape, I could only see one bug: Named anchors without an href got the CSS a:hover setting applied when hovering, even though that shouldn't happen.
Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
I'd rather have a Polo than a T. I could wear that to work then.
RC1 has been causing the BSOD on my machine. There's a discussion in the group news://news.mozilla.org/netscape.public.mozilla.wi n32 - look for a thread started on the 4th May entitled "Win2000 system crashes with 2002050306-1.0 branch?". My contribution is here: news://news.mozilla.org/3CD6E0F6.C4C33025%40yahoo. com
There is also a bug on it. The bug has been marked as INVALID because the powers that be deemed it impossible for Mozilla to crash Win2K. If it's valid to your situatiom, please comment on it, and perhaps it will get re-opened.
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There are two responses to this.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
I've got the commemorative T-Shirt *and* CD from the first Mozilla party. The CD, of course, is for history only. It does remind me of how far it has come in the mean time...
The t-shirt is gorgeous, black fabric, the industrial backdrop with the star, and the text "Mozilla party member".
Both are prized trophys!
Bert Driehuis -- All I asked was a friggin' rotatin' chair. Throw me a bone here, people.
A unstripped mozilla build would be well over 90MB in size.... fairly prohibitive as a download. Furthermore, the Linux kernel does not create core files for multithreaded programs. So even if it were unstripped there would be no core file.