randomErr writes "ZDNET has this article about how a universal network similar the one in SE Lain will evolve. The author say it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when' this network will happen."
Oh, I don't know. If it could detect Cinematically Important stuff for me to pay attention to amidst the background noise of marketroids, that might be useful. Especially if it gained a reputation for doing so: all I'd need to do for most meetings would be show up and demonstrate that Navi is detecting no significance in anything that is about to be discussed, so I could get back to work instead of falling asleep in the meeting. (Of course, if it was company-issued, it'd probably be set to always detect the CEO or any other high exec who happened to be present, regardless of actual significance...)
apparently this is The Seventh Sense...
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argStyopa
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"...I get email from dead people..."
-- -Styopa
Re:apparently this is The Seventh Sense...
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hrieke
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Nah, that just Micosoft trying to sway your opinion.
did anyone actually read this before posting?
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It's some masturbatory "new Economy" business-Internet tripe. Nothing to do with your beloved anime show, and the logical connection is tenuous at best.
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Re:did anyone actually read this before posting?
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Not only that, but the link has managed to crash out AnimeFu. Grumble grumble.
Re:did anyone actually read this before posting?
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Lemmy+Caution
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And even the tie-in is wrong. The "Navi" was just essentially any net terminal, not the network itself, and the term pre-exists Lain. Truly elephantine naivete at hand.
Re:did anyone actually read this before posting?
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WhaDaYaKnow
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Nothing to do with your beloved anime show, and the logical connection is tenuous at best.
Yeah, but it's obviously a great strategy if you want your article posted.
Slashdotted already :(
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hettb
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Las Vegas--For the last few years the NetWorld+Interop confab fell out of favor. It lost the buzz native to events that help define the industry's new inflection points.
This year the atmosphere is different. The "cool" Internet of pervasive e-commerce and e-marketplaces eclipsing the brick-and-mortar world has passed into history for now. Instead, the Internet has returned to its roots (which were first exposed at Interop conferences in the 1990s) as core network infrastructure and applications platform, and grown way beyond its heritage in academic circles.
In fact, we are truly at an inflection point, bridging into the next phase of the Internet. We will be able to look back at this year's N+I and say we saw not just a few indications of an economic recovery, but signs of a future in which the network truly is the computer, to borrow a phrase from Sun Microsystems.
The inflection point in evidence at N+I is the push toward a global, unified network infrastructure, based on Internet protocols. The benefits are well articulated at this juncture in terms of cost savings and flexibility, as well as industry standards and support.
N+I keynote speakers Serge Tchuruk, CEO of Alcatel, and Cisco CEO John Chambers both identified interconnected IP-based LANs and WANs that move voice, data, and video as a key enabler for more cost effective and useful Web-based applications. Tchuruk termed this ultimate evolution of IP networking protocols and open standards as the "borderless enterprise. Chambers called it the "network virtual organization."
Whatever you call this movement, it's more a question of when and how rather than if IP-networks will become the network of networks. "Almost no CIO I talk to today disagrees that within five years we will have a single infrastructure for data, voice, and video," Chambers said. The when and how is tied to providing migration paths that allow for more gradual replacement or upgrading of existing equipment within businesses.
Tchuruk said that enterprises don't need to take a "forklift" approach and replace legacy systems, but should be able to migrate to IP-based network services at their own pace. For example, deploying voice over IP (VOIP) can be done in combination with traditional phone services.
Vendors hope that this migration to a more IP-based solutions will catalyze spending and a return to profitability for their customers and themselves. In reality, unifying network architectures with Internet protocols is just a first step. Both Chambers and Tchuruk stressed that these networks must have carrier-class reliability, quality of service, and bulletproof security to succeed with enterprise customers and consumers.
Nothing to do with SE Lain
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Ok, I don't know how VOIP and video on demand have much to do with the anime page linked to in the story header.
This is the same Everything over IP story the pundits have been whipping for the last 4 years. Nothing new here, move along.
-josh
Re:Nothing to do with SE Lain
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56ker
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"the anime page linked to in the story header" - least you got to see an anime page - all I got was
Software error:
Unable to get database connection! at/usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1/Everything/NodeBase . m line 58.
For help, please send mail to the webmaster (kurt@animefu.com), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
already, or not at all?
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tps12
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Hm. My first reaction is that it is already here. The concept of an Internet alter-ego who is in some senses "more real" than its real-life counterpart is immediately recognizable on todays global network. Moreover, the memetic behaviors portrayed in SEL are familiar as well. All we're missing is the pseudo-AI voice interface, which wasn't even all that convincing in the series. Nanotech drugs won't be far off either.
OTOH (devil's advocate here >:) the Navi and the Wired are a little too present-day, it seems. The concept of the PC as communications tool, basically a box with a screen, is still there. I think we might be headed more towards the kind of ubiquitous computing common in lots of other series. Namely, connectivity through built-in or wearable devices, with interfaces that are largely subconscious or learned from early childhood.
What a great time to be a computer enthusiast.
Hehe, just thought of something...once bionics gets more widespread, case mods are going to get way scary.
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Largest Issue
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Both Chambers and Tchuruk stressed that these networks must have carrier-class reliability, quality of service, and bulletproof security to succeed with enterprise customers and consumers. emphasis mine
Security will be the largest issue to everything that he is talking about. It is not a problem that can ever be 'solved.' But right now they are not even far enough along in the process to make this at all attractive to anyone w/concerns in regards to keeping data secure.
-- It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
The phrase "bulletproof security" is used too often in my opinion; I'd like to see a OpenBSD server take a full clip of AP rounds at point blank range.
In five years, I predict that people will be making five-year predictions. This trend will continue to provide column writers with material and give keynote speakers at conferences neatly relevant topics.
WOW!!! This sounds cool!
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GutBomb
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hmm, a worldwide computer network that allows business, academic, and home users communicate and transfer data. WOW, where do I sign up to the amazingly new service?
I do not see the relation to Lain. Lain is possibly the best anime ever made, and it covers a large worldwide network that allows for communication, but Lain is a science fiction story about moving your conciousness into that network, and having the network hardwired into your conciousness by transitting it as waves that are compatible with the human brain.
Hemos slashdot's HIMSELF???
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tweakt
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The animefu link:
Software error:
Unable to get database connection! at/usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1/Everything/NodeBase . m line 58.
For help, please send mail to the webmaster (kurt@animefu.com), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
BWAHAHAHHA!
Re:Hemos slashdot's HIMSELF???
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Even worse, people who have seen the series would know he's really talking about a network like The Wired, not like a Navi. (Navi == computer)
It will happen first on company LANs where a department make use of it. Companies will expand it to all machines at one location and then they will tunnel to other locations. It will be a while before web services, grid computing, etc. reach out to the common man except in small ways.
Well this is certainly the best post I've seen on Slashdot today. Good job!
Well, I predict...
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...that when the events transcribed in Revelations begin to occur, we will build giganitic, sky-scraper sized mechs called Evangelion. These mechs will allow us to combat Angels and bring us to a higher state of evolution, assuming of course that some little brat doesn't decide to wish us all to death.
Come on. This one is just too stupid. People sometimes get silly ideas like this in their head from taking entertainment too literally. (For example, everyone was certain that we'd be living in disk-shaped houses high on poles and flying to work every day after seeing The Jetsons. Now while some things have come true, most has not.) In Serial Experiments: Lain, the Wired was an analogy. A symbolic construct that represented a higher state of consciousness. The authors were in no way suggesting that the actual Net would be a place for souls to gather. This guy needs to watch Lain again and get a better clue.
All of the buzzwords make my head spin. Did anyone else spot any content in that article? I was keeping my eye open, but it was mostly yadda yadda unified media yadda yadda web services yadda yadda etc.
-- Maybe the state's highest function is to grind out insoluble problems. (Zelazny, Hall of Mirrors)
The great thing about the audio book version is that Vonnegut reads it himself. So, when I read excerpts like your quote I hear V's voice in my head.:)
The entire article can be summed up as "MPLS is coming. Soon everything will be IP-based."
Cisco is very big in Layer-3 switching and MPLS, but their Layer-2 switches (ATM and such) are trash compared to Nortel and Lucent. They are pushing big to move large telcos to MPLS and replace their ATM and Frame Relay networks.
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Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Probably what will happen will be somewhere in the middle. Companies will become more connected in general and more users will have broadband but I think it wil take many more than 5 years before all the current technical incompatibilities and problems are ironed out, if ever. One simple reason is that, while e-mail and normal html over http web browsing have become ubiquitous, hundreds of other net tevhnologies have started and died. Another reason is the simple commercial competition between companies. Microsoft and AOL will not agree on a common IM format for instance. So, probably, some technologies will gain acceptance but most defintely won't.
Email on your handheld/cellphone? Been there, done that. Check out NTT's DoCoMo service, and remember that cellphone penetration is much, much higher in Japan than it is in the US.
Email/information surfing interface? Check out Netscape. (what do you think "Navi" is short for?)
The Navi itself appears to be a Macintosh with limited voice recognition - both are technologies we have today...
Online multi-player games with avatars - yep.
I even noticed Wired-versions of chatrooms and usenet.
Give it a few more years, and we'll a Japan that is eerily similar to Lain's...
It's an anime series (a rather trippy one, at that.) Deals with how a jr. high school girl (Lain) becomes involved with The Wired - their version of the internet. At the begining, Lain doesn't use the Wired very much, and just has a very simple terminal, called a Navi (even her friends tease her about using such a kiddie-model.)
As the series progresses, she starts upgrading her Navi, until her bedroom resembles a major data center...
Anipike lists a number of fan sites about it: http://www.anipike.com/lain.html
If you don't want to figure it out by yourself, you can read some explainations and possible interpretations at
thought experiments lain. The page also contains a nice summary about all the apple (and BE) references in SE: Lain.
-- Jan
The 'net in the future
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While its really too easy to make jokes about these kind of articles, has anyone actually sat down and wondered where we're going in terms of user interfaces for the internet? Honestly, folks, it can't and won't stay just html text and pictures forever. One of the reasons I thought Lain was interesting was that it left most of its technology undefined. Some people apparently got to go fully online in an apparently VR-like experience, while others still used monitors.
With the level of activity in VR research, bandwidth across the globe on the increase, and items on the market like 3d monitors, 3d operating systems, etc, I would be willing to bet that in 20 years or so we WILL have some kind of immersive interface for accessing information. Just think of how cool it would be to represent sql tables, etc in true 3d. Or to be able to walk around your 3d model like a sculptor instead of dragging it with a mouse?
Another description of a possible future for the internet is Tad William's Otherland series. For those who haven't read it, think Lain with the idea of the Net expanded and examined. Its a great series, I highly recommend it.
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Re:The 'net in the future
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Imminent death of text predicted! Film at 11.
Seriously, that's been predicted since the '80s. Sure, pictures have their uses - human pattern-recognition capability, both visual and otherwise, is continually underutilized - but for communicating back from the human to the computer, for instance to set up the pretty pictures and all those other uses? The one advantage of text that has become somewhat mitigated with time is low bandwidth. Modern human languages are, basically, text and voice because those modes can express so much relative to any other mode...and of the two, text can be used almost everywhere voice can, but voice is not appropriate for many situations.
Re:The 'net in the future
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It's "really too easy to make jokes" about these kinds of articles because they're a load of suit-speak, marketroid,b2b, p2p, xml BULLSHIT!
At the risk, nay the certainty! of being modded down, I will point out that it's "News for Nerds, Stuff that matters", not "News for Suits, Stuff people pretend to be interested in".
but I'm not sure that article was about. Consumers will be broadband, but won't be driven by entertainment; IP networks will take over.
I have broadband, and it has several uses, including but not limited to music and video. IP networks already have taken over in my world.
He probably gets paid by the word. Perhaps this was a teaching tool by Slashdot to show you how to really pad a story. That he got two pages out of that was pretty amazing.
Re:Slashdotted already :-(
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OT: I wonder if you could make a filter for Apache that would detect hits from Slashdot editors; thus warned of an imenent Slashdot posting, the server could brace for the Slashdot Effect, perhaps by putting up a static page or using some other defense.
Nah, wouldn't work -- clearly, the editors don't read the links before they post the stories.
-- If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
The Diamond Age is sweet. Mmm, free synthetic sushi...
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Please, the network in Lain was not like this at a
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DeepDarkSky
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The network in Lain was far more scientifically and technologically out there than the "unified IP network". Lain was about a secret experiment with a man-machine network that uses the ultra-low frequencies that match the human brainwaves to network people directed to the "wired" by sending out the waves through the air. The Navi network is not that different from what we got now either... it was just an excuse to slip in an anime reference....
Lain-like network & equipment?
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One of the comments I remember from that anime was the one where she was wondering whether a new modchip would work in her Navi, and her mentor talked about how Navi's were able to be compatible with almost any kind of mod.
I think _that_ would be even more of a miracle than a global, seamless, ever-present network...
Slashdot Mirror
That's all we need, a network that says "Listen!" every three seconds.
(Those who have played Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time will get that).
"...I get email from dead people..."
-Styopa
It's some masturbatory "new Economy" business-Internet tripe. Nothing to do with your beloved anime show, and the logical connection is tenuous at best.
I have a positive modifier on Troll. When I mod someone Troll their karma should go UP!
This year the atmosphere is different. The "cool" Internet of pervasive e-commerce and e-marketplaces eclipsing the brick-and-mortar world has passed into history for now. Instead, the Internet has returned to its roots (which were first exposed at Interop conferences in the 1990s) as core network infrastructure and applications platform, and grown way beyond its heritage in academic circles.
In fact, we are truly at an inflection point, bridging into the next phase of the Internet. We will be able to look back at this year's N+I and say we saw not just a few indications of an economic recovery, but signs of a future in which the network truly is the computer, to borrow a phrase from Sun Microsystems.
The inflection point in evidence at N+I is the push toward a global, unified network infrastructure, based on Internet protocols. The benefits are well articulated at this juncture in terms of cost savings and flexibility, as well as industry standards and support.
N+I keynote speakers Serge Tchuruk, CEO of Alcatel, and Cisco CEO John Chambers both identified interconnected IP-based LANs and WANs that move voice, data, and video as a key enabler for more cost effective and useful Web-based applications. Tchuruk termed this ultimate evolution of IP networking protocols and open standards as the "borderless enterprise. Chambers called it the "network virtual organization."
Whatever you call this movement, it's more a question of when and how rather than if IP-networks will become the network of networks. "Almost no CIO I talk to today disagrees that within five years we will have a single infrastructure for data, voice, and video," Chambers said. The when and how is tied to providing migration paths that allow for more gradual replacement or upgrading of existing equipment within businesses.
Tchuruk said that enterprises don't need to take a "forklift" approach and replace legacy systems, but should be able to migrate to IP-based network services at their own pace. For example, deploying voice over IP (VOIP) can be done in combination with traditional phone services.
Vendors hope that this migration to a more IP-based solutions will catalyze spending and a return to profitability for their customers and themselves. In reality, unifying network architectures with Internet protocols is just a first step. Both Chambers and Tchuruk stressed that these networks must have carrier-class reliability, quality of service, and bulletproof security to succeed with enterprise customers and consumers.
Ok, I don't know how VOIP and video on demand have much to do with the anime page linked to in the story header.
This is the same Everything over IP story the pundits have been whipping for the last 4 years. Nothing new here, move along.
-josh
OTOH (devil's advocate here >:) the Navi and the Wired are a little too present-day, it seems. The concept of the PC as communications tool, basically a box with a screen, is still there. I think we might be headed more towards the kind of ubiquitous computing common in lots of other series. Namely, connectivity through built-in or wearable devices, with interfaces that are largely subconscious or learned from early childhood.
What a great time to be a computer enthusiast.
Hehe, just thought of something...once bionics gets more widespread, case mods are going to get way scary.
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
Both Chambers and Tchuruk stressed that these networks must have carrier-class reliability, quality of service, and bulletproof security to succeed with enterprise customers and consumers.
emphasis mine
Security will be the largest issue to everything that he is talking about. It is not a problem that can ever be 'solved.' But right now they are not even far enough along in the process to make this at all attractive to anyone w/concerns in regards to keeping data secure.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
In five years, I predict that people will be making five-year predictions. This trend will continue to provide column writers with material and give keynote speakers at conferences neatly relevant topics.
hmm, a worldwide computer network that allows business, academic, and home users communicate and transfer data. WOW, where do I sign up to the amazingly new service? I do not see the relation to Lain. Lain is possibly the best anime ever made, and it covers a large worldwide network that allows for communication, but Lain is a science fiction story about moving your conciousness into that network, and having the network hardwired into your conciousness by transitting it as waves that are compatible with the human brain.
Software error:
Unable to get database connection! at /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1/Everything/NodeBase . m line 58.
For help, please send mail to the webmaster (kurt@animefu.com), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
BWAHAHAHHA!
It will happen first on company LANs where a department make use of it. Companies will expand it to all machines at one location and then they will tunnel to other locations. It will be a while before web services, grid computing, etc. reach out to the common man except in small ways.
Well this is certainly the best post I've seen on Slashdot today. Good job!
...that when the events transcribed in Revelations begin to occur, we will build giganitic, sky-scraper sized mechs called Evangelion. These mechs will allow us to combat Angels and bring us to a higher state of evolution, assuming of course that some little brat doesn't decide to wish us all to death.
Come on. This one is just too stupid. People sometimes get silly ideas like this in their head from taking entertainment too literally. (For example, everyone was certain that we'd be living in disk-shaped houses high on poles and flying to work every day after seeing The Jetsons. Now while some things have come true, most has not.) In Serial Experiments: Lain, the Wired was an analogy. A symbolic construct that represented a higher state of consciousness. The authors were in no way suggesting that the actual Net would be a place for souls to gather. This guy needs to watch Lain again and get a better clue.
Why bother.
All of the buzzwords make my head spin. Did anyone else spot any content in that article? I was keeping my eye open, but it was mostly yadda yadda unified media yadda yadda web services yadda yadda etc.
Maybe the state's highest function is to grind out insoluble problems. (Zelazny, Hall of Mirrors)
The great thing about the audio book version is that Vonnegut reads it himself. So, when I read excerpts like your quote I hear V's voice in my head. :)
The entire article can be summed up as "MPLS is coming. Soon everything will be IP-based."
Cisco is very big in Layer-3 switching and MPLS, but their Layer-2 switches (ATM and such) are trash compared to Nortel and Lucent. They are pushing big to move large telcos to MPLS and replace their ATM and Frame Relay networks.
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Probably what will happen will be somewhere in the middle. Companies will become more connected in general and more users will have broadband but I think it wil take many more than 5 years before all the current technical incompatibilities and problems are ironed out, if ever. One simple reason is that, while e-mail and normal html over http web browsing have become ubiquitous, hundreds of other net tevhnologies have started and died. Another reason is the simple commercial competition between companies. Microsoft and AOL will not agree on a common IM format for instance. So, probably, some technologies will gain acceptance but most defintely won't.
I thought Richfield seemed smaller than usual. (I live in Bloomington)
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E_NOSIG
Is it likely to have "TrustE" quality security? Seems quite likely to me.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Er....
We already have a network like The Wired.
It's called the Internet.
Email on your handheld/cellphone? Been there, done that. Check out NTT's DoCoMo service, and remember that cellphone penetration is much, much higher in Japan than it is in the US.
Email/information surfing interface? Check out Netscape. (what do you think "Navi" is short for?)
The Navi itself appears to be a Macintosh with
limited voice recognition - both are technologies we have today...
Online multi-player games with avatars - yep.
I even noticed Wired-versions of chatrooms and usenet.
Give it a few more years, and we'll a Japan that is eerily similar to Lain's...
It's an anime series (a rather trippy one, at that.) Deals with how a jr. high school girl (Lain) becomes involved with The Wired - their version of the internet. At the begining, Lain doesn't use the Wired very much, and just has a very simple terminal, called a Navi (even her friends tease her about using such a kiddie-model.)
As the series progresses, she starts upgrading her Navi, until her bedroom resembles a major data center...
Anipike lists a number of fan sites about it: http://www.anipike.com/lain.html
... kinda
If you don't want to figure it out by yourself, you can read some explainations and possible interpretations at thought experiments lain. The page also contains a nice summary about all the apple (and BE) references in SE: Lain.
Jan
While its really too easy to make jokes about these kind of articles, has anyone actually sat down and wondered where we're going in terms of user interfaces for the internet? Honestly, folks, it can't and won't stay just html text and pictures forever. One of the reasons I thought Lain was interesting was that it left most of its technology undefined. Some people apparently got to go fully online in an apparently VR-like experience, while others still used monitors.
With the level of activity in VR research, bandwidth across the globe on the increase, and items on the market like 3d monitors, 3d operating systems, etc, I would be willing to bet that in 20 years or so we WILL have some kind of immersive interface for accessing information. Just think of how cool it would be to represent sql tables, etc in true 3d. Or to be able to walk around your 3d model like a sculptor instead of dragging it with a mouse?
Another description of a possible future for the internet is Tad William's Otherland series. For those who haven't read it, think Lain with the idea of the Net expanded and examined. Its a great series, I highly recommend it.
- - - - - - - -
Don't worry, being eaten by a crocodile is just like going to sleep in a giant blender.
but I'm not sure that article was about. Consumers will be broadband, but won't be driven by entertainment; IP networks will take over.
I have broadband, and it has several uses, including but not limited to music and video. IP networks already have taken over in my world.
He probably gets paid by the word. Perhaps this was a teaching tool by Slashdot to show you how to really pad a story. That he got two pages out of that was pretty amazing.
Nah, wouldn't work -- clearly, the editors don't read the links before they post the stories.
If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
The Diamond Age is sweet. Mmm, free synthetic sushi...
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
The network in Lain was far more scientifically and technologically out there than the "unified IP network". Lain was about a secret experiment with a man-machine network that uses the ultra-low frequencies that match the human brainwaves to network people directed to the "wired" by sending out the waves through the air. The Navi network is not that different from what we got now either...
it was just an excuse to slip in an anime reference....
One of the comments I remember from that anime was the one where she was wondering whether a new modchip would work in her Navi, and her mentor talked about how Navi's were able to be compatible with almost any kind of mod.
I think _that_ would be even more of a miracle than a global, seamless, ever-present network...