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Microsoft Urged Linux Retaliation

Rossalina W Sanchez writes: "Yahoo is reporting that an internal Microsoft memo from August of 2000 urged employees to 'work underground' to hurt companies, like Intel, who support Linux. When will they learn that these memos always come back to haunt them ..."

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  1. Haunt? by Scotch+Game · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly how is the unearthing of this memo going to dent their $40 billion in cash reserves or their dominance in the marketplace. They've already been sued by the U.S. gov and the states as well as by their peers and competitors.

    But this memo will haunt them.

    I think it's pretty obvious that Microsoft is, in part, so arrogant precisely because this stuff never really does haunt them.

    Let them eat cake!

  2. They won't learn by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it doesn't hurt them.

    Look out there in the business world. See any companies saying "Hey, Microsoft is unfair? We should shift our stuff over and stop using them!"

    No, what you see is "Well, we have to change our licensing and pay more money. We don't have any choice."

    Of all the things that I don't like Microsoft for, that's the #1 thing. I see people saying "But...I can't get a Mac - it won't work with my stuff", where stuff == Microsoft Office and Adobe Acrobat. I see IT Staffs scrambling to count licenses for fear that the SBA will knock on the door and find that one computer without a piece of paper stating that Windows 2000 was paid for.

    I see hopelessness, and I see just a resigned acceptance.

    Learn? Why should they learn. Microsoft gets paid because people are either too lazy, or unwilling to see the alternatives. So they won't learn from their "mistakes" - until the day it hits them in the pocketbook. And that's not happening yet.

    If ever.

  3. Re:So what by xcomputer_man · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, I'm sure all those kernel hackers were really busy sending out emails on the lkml on how they should punish companies that refuse to embrace linux.

    Alan Cox must have proclaimed on the lkml that important technical information must be witholden from such companies, and they must face the consequences of committing such a dastardly sin as not using Linux.

    They must be threatening such companies with high prices and severance of OEM contracts.

    They must be spending 50% of their time focusing on how to write viruses and works to make Windows systems break and puke. They must be working really hard on developing algorithms by which Linux can be used to crack and break Windows systems. Linux is seriously crippling Microsoft's revenue stream right now.

    Yeah, I know there is some hypocrisy on Slashdot, but please.

  4. How this will hurt them... by FearUncertaintyDoubt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...is with their relationship with Intel. Intel must have known that Microsoft was giving them a bit of the cold shoulder, but it's hard to address that diplomatically. But now the Intel management can act shocked - shocked! that Microsoft would be secretly scheming against them.

    Whenever Microsoft gets caught with its hand in the cookie jar, they try hard to make up for it. If Intel and IBM got together and said, we're going to put a Linux desktop out there that the average joe wants and can use as easily as windows, Microsoft will have something to fear. I suspect that they will make a lot of conciliatory gestures towards Intel. Kind of an Ike Turner thing -- take me back, baby, I never meant to hurt you!

  5. Re:So what? by swngnmonk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What you call a "Common Business Practice" is also called "Illegal Leveraging of Monopoly Power" in the case of a convicted Monopolist such as Microsoft. It's a textbook violation of the Sherman antitrust act, and the states have good reason to introduce this.

    No other company in the industry has this power - You think any company would take Apple seriously if they tried to pull this? Sun? IBM? Cisco? Redhat? Get real. This is what Common Business Executives *wish* they could practice, but only Monopolists can pull off.

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  6. Re:Haunt... by ReelOddeeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you serious? Or just trolling?

    Really? Then how exactly do you explain their billions of dollars in sales, versus, say, Redhat's few million?

    Anticompetitive business practices.

    Most people don't care. They just want the best product at the best value.

    Which implies a choice and the ability to choose. A concept that a monopolist cannot stand.

    Get a clue. Every company is run the same way.

    But every company does not have monopoly control of the market.

    I really hope that you do that much research into the internal workings of Colgate-Palmolive before you buy your toothpaste.

    This is not a valid comparison because they have competitors.

    What if Colgate could work some kind of scheme such that anyone buying toothpaste had to pay Colgate, regardless of which toothpaste they wanted to buy? This would drive all competitors out of the market. If I bought Crest, I would have to pay for Crest, and for Colgate. If I bought Colgate, I would only have to pay for Colgate. This is how MS got to where they are. Not through providing superior products.

    Today, they have superior products. But only because they can pour buckets of money into development. Money they can extort at artificially high prices due to lack of any competition.

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  7. Re:disallowed?!? by Elias+Israel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    why would a memo stating that "hey, we should do this" NOT be allowed?

    Because presenting a random email from one employee is not the same thing as demonstrating the intent or the actual practices of the company.

    Or do you think that you speak for Slashdot?

    One opinion is just that: one opinion.

    Surely you don't think that if a Microsoft employee had written a "memo" (let's face it, these are just captured emails) advocating that their $40B be used to purchase NASA, that Bill Gates was intending to go into the commercial launch business, do you?

  8. Microsoft hurt Intel by helping AMD by vinsci · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Microsoft spokesman Jim Desler said Kempin's memo was "irrelevant" because the company never acted on his ideas."

    Not entirely true, it turns out. See what AMD has to say about this (source at bottom):

    " Tailored for Compatibility with Microsoft® Windows® XP

    The AMD Athlon(TM) XP processor offers compelling performance for running Microsoft® Windows® XP operating system, as well as outstanding performance on previous versions of Windows. The raw power and robust features of the AMD Athlon XP processor help enable users to make the most of multitasking and user switching capabilities offered in Windows XP. Microsoft optimized the DirectX 8.0 interface for Windows XP specifically for the AMD Athlon XP processor.

    AMD processors were used for the design, development, and testing of Windows XP. AMD processors are designed to deliver high levels of performance with this latest version of the Microsoft Windows operating system.

    The AMD Athlon XP processor allows you to take full advantage of the power of Windows XP in multiple ways.

    • High quality digital media, such as audio, video, and photos from digital devices benefit from the advanced capabilities of AMD processors and the integrated features of Windows XP.
    • The AMD/Windows combination provides an enhanced Internet experience with smoother streaming audio and video.
    • Communication with family and friends via video, voice, and instant messaging is quick and easy when powered by the next-generation features found in AMD processors.
    • AMD processor-based Windows XP workstations running financial. modeling, scientific, engineering, or graphic design applications have the sheer computing power to handle highly demanding applications.
    • AMD processors are designed for the multi-threaded and mission-critical applications of cutting-edge Windows XP Professional software applications.

    Through this collaboration, AMD can offer you excellent integration and compatibility in your computer's functioning, resulting in outstanding computing performance across a broad spectrum of applications."

    Source:
    http://athlonxp.amd.com/overview/microsoftWindowsX P.jspa

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