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CDs Want To Be Free

Dotnaught writes: "An article that I wrote about a new music promotion service called fightcloud.com and CD pricing in general has just gone up on Salon. And heeding the advice of Dave Winer, I also posted the full transcript of the interview on my Web log, Lot 49, for those curious about what got left on the cutting room floor." Rather than complaining that Big Recording's CDs are overpriced, it sounds like this company is simply demonstrating that music (even on physical media) just don't have to cost that much.

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  1. Hypocritcal.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hear me out here, I think I have a valid point. Lots of people here are programmers. Lots of people think CD's are overpriced. Well a CD is about 15 bucks give or take a few. How much is a video game these days? 40 or 50 bucks, a DRASTICALLY different number than 15. But guess what? You get a game , it comes on a CD. You get an album, it comes on a CD. What can we conclude from this? You're not paying for the CD at all, you're paying for what's on it! So why should we tolerate 50 dollar games without batting an eye, but a 15 dollar music collection is "way too much"?? I don't see the difference. Programmers put in tons of effort to create a game. Musicians put in tons of effort to create a CD. The time schedules are roughly similiar, no artist is cranking out CD's weekly or anything. So is there any reason we complain about music being too much, while games we don't? I think its because most people here are programmers, and think that because video games involve programming, they are inherently worth more.

  2. Best Value? by giantsfan89 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "If you compare the CD to other entertainment, it's one of the best values out there."

    Hmm lets say we use an entertainment piece 100 times...
    DVDs $ 20/100 = $ .20
    CDs $ 15/100 = $ .15
    Computer $1500/100 = $15.00
    MP3s $ /100 = $ .00 (AKA KaZaA)
    Slashdot $.50/100 = $ .005 (half a cent)
    Hmmm so looks like Slashdot's $5/1000 deal isn't too bad for non-banner ad pages!
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  3. Born Free (plus shipping) by donnacha · · Score: 5, Interesting


    From the Salon article:

    Scalfani sells CDs for free. That is, if you don't count the $4.95 "shipping" charge

    So, if I turn up at their offices in person, with a box, these CDs really will be free. As in free.

    If I were the word free, I'd be feeling pretty raw and abused these days.

  4. Bitching and moaning about the price of CD's by squarooticus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I do it too. Every time I go to Newbury Comics, it seems those bastards have upped the price of CD's.

    But bitching about it doesn't really do anything. The CD producers can charge whatever price they think the market will bear. Some people actually buy CD's at stores like Sam Greedy and Record Frown, both of which seem to sell everything at MSRP (about $19 now), so it's obvious people are willing to pay.

    My answer? I simply buy fewer CD's: at $10 I'll buy almost anything, at $13 I'll buy most stuff, but at $15+ I'll only buy what I really want. The rest of it just isn't worth that price.

    However, just because I think they can charge whatever they want doesn't also mean they get to dictate terms. If they want a limited-time monopoly on distributing their recordings, they have to fulfill their side of the copyright bargain, which IMO means that they have to make it easy for me to exercise my fair use rights. It isn't enough simply not to prosecute me for attempting to exercise those rights, such as space-shifting (ripping to .ogg, making a copy for the car, etc.) and time-shifting (taping stuff off the radio to play later); they should not even be able to make it difficult to perform such tasks. This means that copyright should not apply to recordings with fair use interference measures/anti-free trade measures (collectively and inaccurately known as "copy protection").

    Go sign the Digital Consumer Bill of Rights and stand up for preservation of your fair use rights. Call your Congressmen. Donate to Rick Boucher and let him know why. Join the EFF. (And if all else fails, join the NRA, buy a handgun, and get ready to defend your liberties with force.) Stop simply complaining, and do something about it.

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  5. all publishers are greedy! by primus_sucks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a former game programmer I can tell you that it's very similar to the record industry. Normally in video game development you have a publisher, a development studio, and programmers/artists that work for the game studio. The publisher gets most of the money, then the game studio, then the programmers/artists get crap. In my experience game programmers make much less and work longer hours than people in other industries. Though game programming is much more challenging and fun!

  6. RIAA and Advertisers. by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here's the beautiful thing.

    The RIAA finds some girl w/ boobies. Some dude in Nashville writes her a song. Some guy in NYC comes up with a marketing campaign. Someone in Chicago stocks the shelves. Some dumb-ass pays $15+ for a manufactured image. THE MUSIC IS INCIDENTAL! This 'artist' doesn't write her own music. Doesn't come up with her own dance moves. Does not even dress herself. And people buy this. Alot of this. And I'm supposed to let advertisers interfere with my abillity to skip commercials when it's _this_ obvious that advertising and marketing works?

    Lowest common denominator entertainment.

    I wish the Lone Gunmen were here. *sniff*

  7. The industry makes me so mad because I want to be by dinotrac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing, I think, that makes me maddest about the record industry is that I want to be sympathetic. I really do.

    I understand that hiring the best engineers and studio musicians cost money
    Honest, I understand that.

    I understand that promoting new acts entails risk and that established acts help to buffer that.

    I understand that marketing and distribution cost money.

    I don't begrudge somebody turning an honest dollar doing all this stuff. Not one bit.

    But $18.99 per CD?
    Can you say exploitation?

    $18.99 per CD then trying to make it so that I can't play it on my pc?
    Can you say outrage?

    $18.99 per CD to help you lobby to take away my rights with a little help from your friends Hollings and Feinstein?
    Can you say I don't need your stinkin' CDs?

    When you want to make an honest dollar, I may stop back by the store.

  8. Greedy that and greedy this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Most record labels have negative cashflow right now?

    How are you greedy when you charge less for your products than the costs you have?