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Taiwan Joining Chinese Royalty-free Video Disk Effort

BeardStreet writes "In an attempt to stop the flow of royalties to the various DVD licensing bodies (e.g. DVD6C, MPEG-LA, etc.), 19 Taiwanese companies have come up with a royalty-free DVD format called EVD which is compatible with a similar effort going on in China, called AVD. Capacity is about 1 GB higher. Their goal is to avoid having to shell out US $15 to $20 per-player royalties. EVD/AVD players will still be able to play traditional DVD disks but will not have the official DVD logo on them, thus avoiding the licensing fees. It's a political issue as well, in that China needs to balance the flow of royalty money going out of their country, especially with DVD players falling rapidly in price."

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  1. It's about time. by pstreck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let's get some US and European support in on this one and take over the market! But seriously, this is a really good thing we need to support these open standards to avoid the Information Nazi's.

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    1. Re:It's about time. by darkonc · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Apex got in trouble because they signed the non-disclosure agreement that, among other things, prevented them from allowing multi-region players, etc.

      If CSS is simply trade-secret, and not patented, then all these newcommers have to do is use DECSS in their players (and possibly include a copy of the source code with every player!!! :-)

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  2. Will they really avoid license fees? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there are patents on the DVD format and these EVD players can read DVDs, it's hard to imagine how they wouldn't infringe those patents.

    OTOH, if the royalties are for a trademark license, they may be able to escape by not using the DVD logo.

    1. Re:Will they really avoid license fees? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MPEG-2 is practically encrusted with patents.

      CSS is a (former?) trade secret as you noted.

      What about the other parts like UDF, IFO, etc.? Many patents could be lurking in there.

  3. Only in China by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China said it was developing a format called Advanced Versatile Disc (AVD) that would be used only in the Greater China region

    This format would only be used in China. Makes sense, since there's no way they could sell these players in the US or Europe because it would infringe patents. Even if it doesn't display the logo it still decodes CSS, MPEG, AC3, all of which are patented.

    They'll still get exported, from stores like Lik Sang.. but who knows, customs will probably seize them at the border.

  4. This hill hurt by smnolde · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... the DVDCCA. And I hope it does.

    If EVD is open and unlicensed then it will do one of two things, if not both: A) Expose the region coding for distribution control, or B) isolate the US (and possibly Canada) from getting any of these devices by legislating them illegal.

    While we USians may not like the isolation, those who have the gold make the rules. This kind of open format will only help to spread the distribution of films made in other parts of the world, eventually hurting the DVDCCA and MPAA.

    There's nothing like having inferior entertainment channels forced upon us by law and greed when we could all share and share alike the distribution method (like PAL and GSM).

  5. Re:Well good for them by bricriu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe these innovations belongs in the same ranks. Hopefully, the success level will be a considerable amount higher. ;-)

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  6. What a difference geography makes by GuyMannDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several industry sources confirmed that emerging EVD or AVD players will be capable of playing back both EVD/AVD disks and DVD disks.

    But other industry sources in Japan acknowledged that if players bear no official DVD logo, it would be difficult for the 6C or 3C groups to go after them.

    It's sad that some companies in Asia are going to get away with making their own DVD players for the sole purpose of cheating the DVD patent holders while some poor European kid who writes DeCSS so that he can play his legally purchased DVDs on Linux gets crucified to the fullest extent of the law.

    GMD

  7. Re:What a difference money makes by Telastyn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's sad that some rich companies in Asia are going to get away with making their own DVD players for the sole purpose of cheating the DVD patent holders while some poor European kid who writes DeCSS so that he can play his legally purchased DVDs on Linux gets crucified to the fullest extent of the law.


    Emphasis mine.
  8. Re:Well good for them by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "I bet you only say this when it appears to be in your favor. Try this similar sentence on for size: When Microsoft decided they didn't like the legal state of things and decided to come up with their own standards, they were rising above petty legal fights and truly addressing the issues faced by individuals and businessed whose interests are firmly in the hands of patent owners that only care about themselves."

    The difference that the move from MSFT centralises power and control in the hands of a corporation, while the move in Asia hands rights and restriction-free capabilities out to a whide variety of groups.

    Centralisation and disemmination of power are very different things.

  9. Re:New Economic Heavyweight Flexing some Muscle by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Basically what are you saying is that Chinesse people like our DVDs and want to listen/play/watch them but they don't want to pay for it so they just gonna start stealing.

    I don't suppose it has occured to you that China (Hong Kong included) has a thriving film and entertainment industry if its own and people there would like to watch their own country's films and see no point in having to pay a technology tax if they can develop their own standard. China *is* a big market and growing rapidly (~6.5% in Q1 2002)

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  10. Re:Turing killed that idea in 1936 by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As you say, Turing proved that the halting problem is undecidable; to be more precise, there is no general algorithm to decide whether a program will halt, that will provide an answer in finite time for any program.

    That's okay. Detecting whether a DVD menu program is trying to die, the vast majority of the time, only involves special cases about which the halting theorem is silent. For instance, if the program halts by exuting the HALT machine instruction, you simply search for that instruction and replace it with your own code. If you don't trust the program not to modify its own code, you can run it in an emulator that constantly checks whether it is about to execute a HALT instruction. Consider that this is roughly what any modern CPU does in order to enforce memory protection.

    Detecting infinite loops is a bit harder, and while you can search for trivial LOOP: GOTO LOOP constructs, you really need to run the program in emulation to get anywhere. You can, for instance, take a snapshot of the code and virtual machine state from time to time; if both ever return to the exact same state, you must be in an infinite loop (assuming you don't have interrupt-driven code to worry about -- if you do, expand the code under analysis to include the interrupt handlers, and repeat).

    Moral of the story: not allowing the menu to die doesn't require knowing whether the menu program will ever halt, only whether it is about to. And that, far from being a theoretical impossibility, is a fundamental technique of virtual machine design.

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