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Keeping Private Customer Data...Private?

Posted by Cliff on from the security-in-the-IT-trenches dept.

Suffering Sekret Keys asks: "When I first started working for the company I'm with now, back in 1996, I was charged with finding a way to keep our customer credit card info secure in our database. Now that I'm smart enough to realize the flaws in this system, I am wondering how you avoid the catch-22 of needing to be able to encrypt/decrypt the data on the same machine that houses it, without exposing a secret key that could make that data more vulnerable in the event of an intrusion?" This question has been submitted a few times, recently, but this was the best one out of the lot. It seems many of you are wisely concerned about private data stored on your company's net, and the risks involved if it gets stolen. Well, now is your chance to discuss various solutions. How would you securely store your customer's private information, especially when it comes to critical pieces like credit card numbers?

"I chose 1024-bit PGP encryption with a long passphrase. I use the Cryptix java package to handle the encryption from a Perl script (the reasons for this are legacy related, but I'm in the position where I can start clean if need be -- a Perl-only solution would be great).

The thing that makes me nervous is the secret key being stored on the machine that houses the database. The reason for this is so that our billing staff can handle the recurring billing. (They have a web interface where they must enter the passphrase to gain access to the credit card information.)

I have realized for a long time now that if someone gained full access to this machine, they could fairly easily run a brute-force attack on the encrypted data, if they found our secret key on that machine. But when we recently worked on our privacy policy, this potential problem became more important.

What changes could we make to our setup so that we can encrypt/decrypt the credit card information on the same machine that houses the data, while making it as hard as possible to decrypt the credit card data assuming the entire machine was stolen (or cracked)?

We are a very small company. How do "the big boys" handle these things? What is the best book on this particular subject?"

While this setup may work well for credit card numbers, what about setups that will protect other personal information like a customer's address and phone number? Would such information be practical to obfuscate in such a manner?

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  1. LNUX COUNTDOWN... P.S. Whats CLIT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    24 DAYS UNTIL LNUX IS DE-LISTED FROM NASDAQ!!

    Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:10:51 -0500
    From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
    To: lwn@lwn.net, editors@linuxtoday.com, malda@slashdot.org, editor@linux.com,
    Subject: When times get hard

    It hit the papers today that VA Linux Systems is going to have to cut 25% of its staff. The press release, as usual, was bland and neutral,
    emphasizing our healthy revenue growth and our bright prospects -- the kind of corporate-speak everybody expects, and that VA has to
    generate. It's part of the game.

    It's no secret that I'm on VA's Board of Directors. I was at the board meeting where the five-odd people who have the responsibility to advise
    Larry Augustin told him what he had to do. I was part of that decision, and it was not an easy one.

    I'm not speaking for VA now (I basically never try to do that anyway; it's not my job). I'm speaking for myself. It was a weird, wrenching feeling
    to wander around VA headquarters that afternoon, talking with good friends of mine, knowing in a few cases that they were likely to be canned through
    no special fault of their own.

    What VA is going through now is a sort of ritual bloodletting. The logic of the market is pitiless; when you don't make your numbers, the investors
    want to be appeased by evidence that you're doing things to raise your profitability. That means making more dollars per employee, and the
    fastest way to get there, the way investors effectively *demand* that you get there, is by laying off your least dollar-yielding employees.

    Otherwise, you get what is politely called "loss of investor confidence". Companies go on life support when that happens -- they
    can't get capital by selling shares, and that has ripple effects -- it tends to make potential customers bolt. When the customers bolt, the company runs out of money and die. Or it gets acquired, either by a large competitor or (worse) by a slice-n-dice artist who will sell off the assets and shitcan the company.

    I went along with the 25% cuts because I understood the possible alternative: no company. And no employees. And no possibility that
    my friends will ever be able to come back to work for a company they still love and care about.

    I think VA's problems are solvable ones. The company got rocked by the popping of the dot.com bubble and the economic downturn we're in.
    But we know what we have to do to deal with that. In order to avoid making what the SEC calls "forward-looking statements" I'm not going
    to talk about our strategy or future prospects here; you can go ask VA's corporate-communications folks about that.

    But the real reason I'm writing this little broadside is larger than VA; it's about the state of the open-source community, and the things
    we need to keep in mind when times get hard.

    VA, along with Red Hat, is one of the two bellwethers of the open-source business community. Some people are going to freak out
    and think this setback is a harbinger of doom, that it means our community's game is over. Some people, especially at certain
    monopolistic closed-source competitors I don't need to name, know better -- that troubles like VA's are pretty common in a market
    downturn     -- but they'll use it as ammunition in a FUD campaign anyhow. Expect to see Steve Ballmer and Jim Alchin quietly gloating at any
    trade-press reporter they can collar. Brace for it.

    And, as it says in large friendly letters on the back of the Hitchhiker's Guide, DON'T PANIC! What we're seeing now is entirely
    normal.     It's the long, dizzy boom time that has just ended, all smiles and champagne and venture capital sloshing around looking
    for business plans, that has been exceptional. Business cycles happen, there are layoffs and retrenchments all over the economy --
    and this, too, shall pass. Things will get better.

    There is actually one good thing for us about economic slumps. During them, IT departments and software users in general feel pressure to cut costs. That makes low-cost and free software more attractive. Over the next few months you can expect to see a lot of submarine Linux deployments suddenly surfacing as managers realize that they'll look *good* on their quarterlies if they cut their licensing and service costs, and as the techies working for them get that message
    and fess up to how many NT boxes they've been replacing by stealth.

    So the downturn isn't all bad news for us, by any means. We just needto keep doing what we're doing, the best work we can. And when the
    economy picks up again, we will have gained by it.

    Back at IPO time I wrote an essay called "Surprised By Wealth" in which I tried to deal with how weird it felt to have a theoretical net
    worth of $41 million.     Am I upset that all that "wealth" is gone, at least until the stock bounces back? Well...yes and no. As a member
    of VA's Board, it's my job to worry about our stock price, on behalf of all of our stockholders. So I care about that.

    But personally? Nah. I wasn't in this for the bucks then, and I'm not now. Like most hackers, I do what I do for love and I thank the
    gods that I can occasionally talk people into paying me money for it. Feels almost like taking advantage of them sometimes, doesn't it?

    All the corporate stuff is not, after all, the point -- the point is to change the world, to do better software and give users more
    choices. It's been a nice party, but some of us did get a little distracted by all that easy money flowing around. If the slump does
    nothing else but take our eyes off those dollar signs and put them firmly back on the work, maybe it will have been the best thing for us
    after all.

  2. Firewall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Lupe Rodriguez, a local alcoholic-midget with a fiery temper guards our databases with a sawed-off pool cue and his awesome drunken kendo skills.

    1. Re:Firewall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I sure would like to have sex with a hot midget.

  3. The best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Windows 2000 server.

    If so many people use it it's got to be good.

  4. First Jon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Jon Barrett!

  5. and when they mess up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I was sent a pleading offer for a Visa Gold Card once. They thought my earnings were in the top 2% income bracket.
    How many 17 year olds earn that much? Geesh.

  6. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

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  8. The above is the best solution by jabbo · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    and I've implemented reasonably correct versions of almost all the others, so I am not just 'guessing' but offering observations from someone who's built several systems like yours.

    You want accounts and you want them managed separately from billing. Physical security is what should realistically protect the private payment and identification information that relates to those accounts (eg. the substance to their metadata) so that day-to-day manipulations of orders are separate from month-to-month billing updates.

    You simply must keep private info private and enforce it via legal and policy measures. No amount of technology will easily prevent misuse of your data. You could, however, experiment with CryptFS or StegFS to make it much more difficult for a physical security breach (eg. stealing the machine) to result in information leakage.

    When I went back and reviewed the submitter's question I decided that I had focused on the wrong aspect of his question. One-way encryption (outside-to-inside) is important, and it can be keyed to the same database as customer account identifiers, without divulging useful information on a public interface. However, the primary measures for his company to take are still going to be policy (dissociating private customer data from public/unimportant customer identification data) and legal (physical security, pressing charges when anyone tries to circumvent).

    Again, every measure I'm discussing above is something I've had to deal with in my job, and I am merely offering opinions as to what has worked best for us. I design my systems (at least at this point in my career) so that, for the most part, someone could steal them outright without greatly affecting our day-to-day operations.

    --
    Remember that what's inside of you doesn't matter because nobody can see it.
  9. Re:The Best Policy by hexx · · Score: 2, Offtopic
    The Only Best Policy is: Don't store private information, ever.


    It's easy, meaningless, hackneyed non-answers like this that are eroding slashdot.


    I ask "What the best way to do X", and the highest modded answer is "You silly boy, don't do X". Well, if "not doing X" were an option, the question would not have been asked.


    People need to understand that virtually any question can be inappropriately (and quickly) answered with "do something else", but then that's not a real answer. It's an excuse to vent an opinion (just like this rant).


    And really, it's the moderators who are to blame.

    The parent (and this post) should be modded as -1 offtopic.

    NEITHER ONE ANSWERS THE QUESTION OR OFFERS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE. They both preach. Blah.


    I've had enough.